Politics

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Exactly. It's a major problem. Folk seem to want to turn you in to some far right gammon for suggesting it needs to stop and a large portion of those coming over are part of bigger problem. 

I'm all for helping Folk, but christ it's way beyond that now. It's a full blown business. 

We've got people who just refuse to accept its an issue. We both know a lad who wants to use these migrants to sort our aging population issues.

Economic migrants fine.

Folk fleeing war torn countries fine.

Folk sent by criminal gangs on boats to exploit our system not fine.

 

You should read Starmers speech from yesterday.

[BobyBrno]

Griffin 1 Starmer 0 😊

 “The government is to ditch plans to ban smoking in the gardens of pubs and restaurants In England.”

[mickbrown]

5 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Griffin 1 Starmer 0 😊

 “The government is to ditch plans to ban smoking in the gardens of pubs and restaurants In England.”

Bet he’s guttted. 

[Not in Crawley]

Is this not a SEB? Maybe it was another shitehole pub that decided not to let in the Prime Minister for his evening pint.

[Sweep]

40 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Griffin 1 Starmer 0 😊

 “The government is to ditch plans to ban smoking in the gardens of pubs and restaurants In England.”

bless, he's even bought himself a brand new shirt for the photo opp

[royal white]

5 hours ago, Cheese said:

Yep. Proper fucking mess innit. What would your solution be?

You're asking the wrong person, It’s not for me to give a solution, that’s the governments job. Part of their manifesto was to stop the crossings and smash the gangs. I know its early doors but it’s clearly not happening. It’s like they didn’t have a clue what they were on about. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

You're asking the wrong person, It’s not for me to give a solution, that’s the governments job. Part of their manifesto was to stop the crossings and smash the gangs. I know its early doors but it’s clearly not happening. It’s like they didn’t have a clue what they were on about. 

Latest figure I heard was £41000 per year per migrant in a hotel.

Again, can't confirm if true, but the costs are astronomical nonetheless. Not a single minister of any position or party seems to be prepared to tackle it head on, and we know the reasons why.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

46 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Is this not a SEB? Maybe it was another shitehole pub that decided not to let in the Prime Minister for his evening pint.

It probably is

It's from the other month when the policy was first mooted

[Not in Crawley]

What's the point of folk going 'nobody has a clue blah blah blah' and then not read what was outlined only yesterday?

Tackle the points if people disagree but just to pointlessly empty can rattle is just a bit daft and undermines any realistic point someone might wish to make.

[wanderer1984]

4 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

They have serious, deep seated problem with the far right.

It is very very far for having immigration 'sussed'

Yet there's little if any terror related incidents and it's one of the safest countries in Europe.

[royal white]

16 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

What's the point of folk going 'nobody has a clue blah blah blah' and then not read what was outlined only yesterday?

Tackle the points if people disagree but just to pointlessly empty can rattle is just a bit daft and undermines any realistic point someone might wish to make.

It’s ok, people views can differ. You think they have a clue, I and many others think they don’t. Hopefully they do and I’m happy to be wrong, time will tell. 

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said:

You should read Starmers speech from yesterday.

Yep. The plan is to tackle the problem at source and work strategically with our neighbours. Sensible policies 👍

[Not in Crawley]

7 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Yep. The plan is to tackle the problem at source and work strategically with our neighbours. Sensible policies 👍

Its certainly not going to be easy and there are legitimate concerns around any policy regarding immgration/the issue of smuggling gangs.

But at least there is a clear strategic framework now of more investment with boarder forces and intelligence agncies working together with european partners - also a calling on some of those countries to do more ie Germany where a lot of the gangs are based, and also working closely with Macron and the French government.

Ontop of this get to gribs with our own system which has been broken for far too long now resulting in a unsustainable (for both the country and those seeking asylum) backlog.

Its dull, its boring, it creates fewer headlines than 'Stop The Boats' or 'Send them to xxxx place' but its the only way to really start to get to grips with this issue - which lets be honest will probably never be 'solved' in the way some want it to, but how it coped with in the best interests of this country.

[Traf]

2 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

You should read Starmers speech from yesterday.

Link, please?

Better still, a video.

Ta.

[Not in Crawley]

2 minutes ago, Traf said:

Link, please?

Better still, a video.

Ta.

30% of next summer's holiday to Lisbon and you're on 😁

[royal white]

22 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Yep. The plan is to tackle the problem at source and work strategically with our neighbours. Sensible policies 👍

Yes because that’s not been done before, 🙄what makes you think it will be a success this time with  (initially) less investment 

Edited November 5, 2024 by royal white

[Sweep]

19 minutes ago, royal white said:

Yes because that’s not been done before, 🙄what makes you think it will be a success this time with  (initially) less investment 

It doesn't really matter what's done, or how much money is thrown at it - they'll never be stopped, and they'll never stop trying.

There is only one way to "stop the boats" and we won't entertain that, so we just have to accept that they'll keep coming for ever more.

[Farrelli]

19 minutes ago, royal white said:

Yes because that’s not been done before, 🙄what makes you think it will be a success this time with  (initially) less investment 

Because the Tories were a crock of shit who were full of sound bites for simpletons but with no serious plan (see Rwanda).

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Sweep said:

It doesn't really matter what's done, or how much money is thrown at it - they'll never be stopped, and they'll never stop trying.

There is only one way to "stop the boats" and we won't entertain that, so we just have to accept that they'll keep coming for ever more.

Exactly this. Swapping “Stop the Boats” with “Smash the Gangs” has got some people all excited (those 3 world slogans tend to work on some).

I feel a strong deterrent is the only way, I’m not sure if any government is willing to try one like. 

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Because the Tories were a crock of shit who were full of sound bites for simpletons but with no serious plan (see Rwanda).

So the funding sent to our neighbours in France which has seen a rise in crossings, are we just ignoring that. 

[Sweep]

9 minutes ago, royal white said:

Exactly this. Swapping “Stop the Boats” with “Smash the Gangs” has got some people all excited (those 3 world slogans tend to work on some).

I feel a strong deterrent is the only way, I’m not sure if any government is willing to try one like. 

I agree, the last lot showed they weren't prepared to put in place a very strong deterrent, and this lot certainly won't - we just need to get used them coming, the only thing we can do is process them quicker, but of course that's only useful for those that we actually "catch", and also relies on us knowing what to do with them once processed, if we decide they can't stay (especially if we don't know where they've originally come from in the first place)

[Farrelli]

44 minutes ago, royal white said:

So the funding sent to our neighbours in France which has seen a rise in crossings, are we just ignoring that. 

It’s not a switch you can just press.  It is a multi faceted problem.  The work to break the gangs and stop crossings at source is a long term plan but ultimately the right one.

[fatolive]

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/europe/article/2024/11/05/french-court-convicts-18-in-a-major-migrant-smuggling-trial_6731682_143.html#:~:text=Immigration-,French court convicts 18 in migrant-smuggling trial,jackets%2C outboard engines and cash.
 

obviously someone has come and replaced these , these were arrested in 2022 

[royal white]

12 minutes ago, fatolive said:

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/europe/article/2024/11/05/french-court-convicts-18-in-a-major-migrant-smuggling-trial_6731682_143.html#:~:text=Immigration-,French court convicts 18 in migrant-smuggling trial,jackets%2C outboard engines and cash.
 

obviously someone has come and replaced these , these were arrested in 2022 

There will always be someone waiting to step up into their shoes and no doubt many will continue to run operations from their prison cells. It’s like the drug trade, it’s to profitable to just disappear. 

[fatolive]

17 minutes ago, royal white said:

There will always be someone waiting to step up into their shoes and no doubt many will continue to run operations from their prison cells. It’s like the drug trade, it’s to profitable to just disappear. 

Totally agree , so long as there’s money to be made and people wanting to come then it will always happen. 
always has . 
Listened to a program the other day about smugglers in the 16th century smuggling refugees into London from France , it’s not a new phenomenon by any stretch .