Coronavirus

[MickyD]

25 minutes ago, Sweep said:

So...Essex has just gone Tier2, and I'm supposed to have a meeting with a customer there next week. I'm travelling from a Tier1 location  -  under these rules, can I still have a meeting with them in their offices or not?  (Our HR department are currently looking into the implications work wise of travelling from one Tier to another, as it's potentially a legal minefield for them as an employer apparently)

Doesnt it depend entirely on whether your income is increased by meeting face to face?

[Marc505]

17 minutes ago, Spider said:

Lancashire in Tier 3

Long live Gtr Mcr

But I'm reading that leisure centres and gyms can stay open? I mean that's great but, what?!

[Spider]

My house is 92 metres away from the border with Lancashire.

 

[deane koontz]

Who's from Lancashire and who's a Greater Mancunian?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

But I'm reading that leisure centres and gyms can stay open? I mean that's great but, what?!

That's a bit like Northern Ireland. Lockdown, but fitness places OK.

Come down more on alcohol instead. Off licenses and supermarkets can't sell it after 8.00pm.

Makes sense.

[Sweep]

6 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Doesnt it depend entirely on whether your income is increased by meeting face to face?

Sadly, this isn't going to immediately increase my income, but as it's a demo of some thermal imaging stuff, it has to be done face to face, it can't be done over a TEAMS meeting.

I'm more than happy to do the meeting by the way, as is the customer............however, our HR department people are looking into what happens if "through work" a person travels from one tier to another tier and then was to contract the virus, what is the standpoint there?  -  at some point, no doubt, the ambulance chasers will twig on to it and try to make a few quid. 

Crazy really, but they're looking at us signing disclaimers, which basically say we need to use our own common sense when on any work activity. Until that paperwork is drawn up, I think we're grounded again.......

[Marc505]

6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

That's a bit like Northern Ireland. Lockdown, but fitness places OK.

Come down more on alcohol instead. Off licenses and supermarkets can't sell it after 8.00pm.

Makes sense.

It does make sense (well, to people who use gyms anyway) but it didn't take long for a backtrack on the conditions of a tier 3 lockdown.

[Guest]

Scousers will be apoplectic 

Gyms and Leisure centres staying open in Lancashire!!

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, deane koontz said:

Who's from Lancashire and who's a Greater Mancunian?

Nobody is a greater Mancunian

[Spider]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

Nobody is a greater Mancunian

For the purposes of my Friday afternoon pint today, I am.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

For the purposes of my Friday afternoon pint today, I am.

Me too, but keep it to yersen

[Casino]

8 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Gyms and Leisure centres staying open in Lancashire!!

Laughable

Really is

[Guest]

Just now, Casino said:

Laughable

Really is

No doubt the scouse sense of humour will concur

[Spider]

Just now, Casino said:

Laughable

Really is

You're right.

I'm in a good mood though and it's sent the scousers off their nuts, so it'll do for a bit.

[Winchester White]

11 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Scousers will be apoplectic 

Gyms and Leisure centres staying open in Lancashire!!

Really? Where you read that?

[peelyfeet]

3 hours ago, boltondiver said:

COVID-19 INFECTION SURVIVAL RATES

Ages 0-19:    99.997%
Ages 20-49:  99.98%
Ages 50-69:  99.5%
Ages 70+:     94.6%

 

I've seen that before, but don't know what the source is.

The real numbers are going to vary from country to country, and are affected by how well the ICU's can cope - survival may well be 99.5% for 50-69 yr olds, if every 50-69 yr old gets an ICU bed if they need it. If they dont get an ICU bed, the survival rates drop. With all statistics, it's in the outliers where all the action is. 

The study below, is recent, and takes info from multiple seropositive and national tracing figures - it's not peer reviewed so may have critics, but its fairly comprehensive stuff, looking at published figures from around europe and the US.

The estimated IFR in this study is

close to zero for children and younger adults but rises exponentially with age,

reaching

0.4% at age 55,

1.4% at age 65,

4.6% at age 75,

15% at age 85

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.23.20160895v6.full.pdf+html

if we assumed that these figures happend in the UK, if we went for herd immunity, say 70% of the population required to acheive it, and we had an ICU bed for everyone, this is how many would die.

85 and over    168,000

75 - 85            106,000

65 - 75            44,000

under 55         20,000 ish

Total                338,000

Then you need to add on all the folk who will die as a consequence of reduced NHS care/suicide etc.

This year, so far, we are at 464K total deaths - the 5yr average YTD is 409.5K (ranging between 383K and 436K) 

Normally about 600k folk die in the UK a year - rising that up to 900K if the stats above are correct, would push covid death rates into the same ball park as World Wars.  

 

 

 

[Casino]

Debbie White 

The troughs here. Get thi nose in

[peelyfeet]

26 minutes ago, deane koontz said:

Who's from Lancashire and who's a Greater Mancunian?

Lancashire for me , but my kids go to school in GM, and I'm in and out of GM every day of the week.

[Leyther_Matt]

Lancs arses have dropped at the prospect of thousands of the unwashed heading in for the Old Firm game

[Spider]

10 minutes ago, Casino said:

Debbie White 

The troughs here. Get thi nose in

The smell from some of these deals is very very bad. Her and her cunt husband fucked over thousands of contractors when they let Interserve go pop. I'd happily see people like this gibbeted from a lamppost.

https://www.ft.com/content/a252e28e-d4cf-4a75-9782-693a6168423e

[MickyD]

Just had a gymnasium owner from Liverpool on telly who refuses to comply with the order to close his doors. He received a £1,000 fixed penalty for it yesterday. He states that keeping a fitness centre open actually impacts the NHS in a positive way by keeping people fit, etc. 
 

He also stated that schools/colleges/universities account for 35% of cases, pubs/clubs/restaurants 25%, gyms 1.5% of cases. 
 

I guess he has a point. More so now that Lancashire are in the same but different level 3.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

58 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Scousers will be apoplectic 

Gyms and Leisure centres staying open in Lancashire!!

Geoff Driver seems to have done a great job. Got extra money too which local government can use to top up those low income salaries reduced to 66%.

Kept his "council", negotiated and done well.

Take note the militant one.

Also take note Chris Green.

Just blatantly lied over Bolton's figures to make his point. Well out of order.

Edited October 16, 2020 by Tonge moor green jacket

[Guest]

54 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Really? Where you read that?

The Leader of Lancashire council said it on R5L

[gonzo]

The local authority round here fought for the gyms due to mental health.

Largest suicide rates and use of anti depressants in the country.

 

[Farrelli]

57 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

I've seen that before, but don't know what the source is.

The real numbers are going to vary from country to country, and are affected by how well the ICU's can cope - survival may well be 99.5% for 50-69 yr olds, if every 50-69 yr old gets an ICU bed if they need it. If they dont get an ICU bed, the survival rates drop. With all statistics, it's in the outliers where all the action is. 

The study below, is recent, and takes info from multiple seropositive and national tracing figures - it's not peer reviewed so may have critics, but its fairly comprehensive stuff, looking at published figures from around europe and the US.

The estimated IFR in this study is

close to zero for children and younger adults but rises exponentially with age,

reaching

0.4% at age 55,

1.4% at age 65,

4.6% at age 75,

15% at age 85

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.23.20160895v6.full.pdf+html

if we assumed that these figures happend in the UK, if we went for herd immunity, say 70% of the population required to acheive it, and we had an ICU bed for everyone, this is how many would die.

85 and over    168,000

75 - 85            106,000

65 - 75            44,000

under 55         20,000 ish

Total                338,000

Then you need to add on all the folk who will die as a consequence of reduced NHS care/suicide etc.

This year, so far, we are at 464K total deaths - the 5yr average YTD is 409.5K (ranging between 383K and 436K) 

Normally about 600k folk die in the UK a year - rising that up to 900K if the stats above are correct, would push covid death rates into the same ball park as World Wars.  

 

 

 

Yes and I would also add that covid survival rates take no account of long covid.  There are going to be a lot of people (>50 bracket) who survive but are left with life changing conditions.