Coronavirus

[Sweep]

12 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Full lockdown including schools fine

but better support for parents taking time off and protection for employees who are the easy option when it comes to lay offs 

The government has done loads to support people, at some point that has to stop surely. Already they've extended furlough out to April I think.

I don't see how they can offer "better support" for parents - it may be, and I know it's not practical in every instance, but they could possibly just have to take their entire holiday allocation for the year in January, or have their bosses at work allow them to be a bit more flexible with their work, and allow them to work maybe 7 days a week with reduced hours each day (I appreciate this can't be done for everybody)  -  if we're locking down fully, then all retail (apart from supermarkets) closes down and all manufacturing closes down, nobody leaving their house for a full month, with the exception of allocated time slots for shopping or 1/2 hour exercise each day. We can do it and get through it

As for lay offs, sadly, there is already a tsunami of them about to hit us in 3 or 4 months time, there's not much we can do about that now sadly. That shitstorm really hasn't even begun as of yet

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Sweep said:

The government has done loads to support people, at some point that has to stop surely. Already they've extended furlough out to April I think.

I don't see how they can offer "better support" for parents - it may be, and I know it's not practical in every instance, but they could possibly just have to take their entire holiday allocation for the year in January, or have their bosses at work allow them to be a bit more flexible with their work, and allow them to work maybe 7 days a week with reduced hours each day (I appreciate this can't be done for everybody)  -  if we're locking down fully, then all retail (apart from supermarkets) closes down and all manufacturing closes down, nobody leaving their house for a full month, with the exception of allocated time slots for shopping or 1/2 hour exercise each day. We can do it and get through it

As for lay offs, sadly, there is already a tsunami of them about to hit us in 3 or 4 months time, there's not much we can do about that now sadly. That shitstorm really hasn't even begun as of yet

Totally get that mate but seen first hand that companies are discriminating against parents taking time off but some places are going to take the piss unfortunately

i don’t think the lockdown will go into manufacturing myself

[Sweep]

1 minute ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Totally get that mate but seen first hand that companies are discriminating against parents taking time off but some places are going to take the piss unfortunately

i don’t think the lockdown will go into manufacturing myself

Certainly I can see some smaller companies doing this, as it's difficult for them to "carry" people if they're not pulling their weight (for reason's out of their control, obviously)  -  there really is no right way to go with this, it's very difficult indeed

I agree with you that any lockdown won't impact on manufacturing, should it? - who knows. I do think though that they won't allow schools to re-open until we reach a certain level of vaccinations. I'd be surprised to see school kids back before February.

The next call, with regards to tiering and lockdowns, by the Government is possibly going to be the most critical call they've made, as we're standing on the edge now economically.....as are most of our neighbours as well, this isn't just a UK issue, so we shouldn't forget that. Even if we fully locked down and eradicated it from these shores, if every other fucker has got it running riot, that still doesn't do us any good in reality, as our economy would still be stuffed

[jmjhb]

1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said:

Antarctica now have it.

Bloody penguins

[Escobarp]

I would say all manufacturing and work where folk get there hands dirty should just crack on 

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

Indeed.

The hardest of lockdowns

Every cunt wants to diet in january anyway. 

No excuses. All channels to broadcast an hour of aerobics for an hour a day at 10am. 

Get the nation free of covid, a few pounds lighter and raring to go for Brexit.

We'll be the envy of the world.

last chance

tiers don't work, "crack on" is folly

got to go all in if we're to stand any chance of curbing this cunt

apply for a permit to leave the house each time you go out, soldiers and police on the streets 24/7, that sort of thing

no messing

or

blunder along and hope for the best

one of the other

[Spider]

2 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

last chance

tiers don't work, "crack on" is folly

got to go all in if we're to stand any chance of curbing this cunt

apply for a permit to leave the house each time you go out, soldiers and police on the streets 24/7, that sort of thing

no messing

or

blunder along and hope for the best

one of the other

Might as well be January. It's total dogshit at the best of times.

If you're abroad, get home or stay abroad. 

Shut everything except absolute essentials. 

Once it's done (3 or 4 weeks), mass testing, no exceptions. Anyone with it fully contact traced and put into a fucking sports hall for 10 days if needs be.

It's got to be harsh. If we lose some civil liberties, cry on Twitter about it before realising we lost them a year ago anyway.

Conspiracy nuts and doubters? I'd have them sent to camps to think about things.

 

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

Might help if we close the feckin airports first! 

[gonzo]

Lock everything down all you want. It will just come back unitl everyone is vaccinated.

We will just go round in circles.

[Casino]

10 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

last chance

tiers don't work, "crack on" is folly

got to go all in if we're to stand any chance of curbing this cunt

apply for a permit to leave the house each time you go out, soldiers and police on the streets 24/7, that sort of thing

no messing

or

blunder along and hope for the best

one of the other

You do know how many people cant just shut their doors. Turn the heating up and watch Netflix?

Unless you're proposing EVERYTHING shuts

And if you are, you're a moonman

[Spider]

Just now, gonzo said:

Lock everything down all you want. It will just come back unitl everyone is vaccinated.

We will just go round in circles.

Upscale vaccs whilst on lockdown. Get this oxford one rolled out. Throw everything at it.

We can't keep borrowing dosh like we are. £30billion last month

[Guest]

I do wonder if people’s attitudes would change if they couldn’t work from home

[Zico]

13 hours ago, Casino said:

Thats good news

Maybe theyd be better off getting this vaccine to the 4 of us who live here who are expected to take the risk of catching it, every single day

Rather than some oldies with no need to go out

And nowhere to go, anyway

Thing is i know 5 old uns who've got it and died in the last month and a half 

All had shielded, the only reason all 5 went out was to go to hospital for something non covid and caught it 

All were old and vulnerable to some degree, but not on deaths door and could've easily done another couple of years, no reason to think otherwise 

Those are the ones who need it the most

[Not in Crawley]

Just do tier 4 until Easter and we're rolling out more of the jabs. 

Schools to go back later after xmas, maybe home schooling until feb half term in the worst hit areas.

Uni's only have online teaching until first reading week.

Start reopening properly social distanced places after this time - non essential shops, certain lesuire and cultural places, cafes

Keep pubs closed - none of this with a meal bollocks unti Easter.

 

 

[Zico]

26 minutes ago, Casino said:

You do know how many people cant just shut their doors. Turn the heating up and watch Netflix?

Unless you're proposing EVERYTHING shuts

And if you are, you're a moonman

No, course not 

Go to work, but you need a permit first 

Go to the shop, but you need a permit   

Fines issued if not wearing a mask or out without a permit

Like other countries who got on top of it did

[Zico]

27 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

I do wonder if people’s attitudes would change if they couldn’t work from home

I can't if nurseries are shut, or i certainly can't do a full day, and as i found out last time, clients don't want to spend if everything including supply chains are shut 

So it fucks me over for sure 

But, I want it over sooner rather than later 

As we've seen, trying to open up and get back to normal whilst the virus is here and no one is vaccinated just kicks the can down the road

Spinning plates and they all smash

Not for me

[MickyD]

12 hours ago, Gonk said:

That's only one street, just off Great Ancoats Street. What's so special about that?

It took long enough. Used to win me a few quid every time we got a new probationer.

[Escobarp]

8 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

No, course not 

Go to work, but you need a permit first 

Go to the shop, but you need a permit   

Fines issued if not wearing a mask or out without a permit

Like other countries who got on top of it did

Those countries aren’t full of brits though. 

[ErnestTurnip]

Do we reckon those in power have a plan B for if this can't be beaten and is always going to be a threat or are we just going to keep on pressing pause and thinking we'll get there one day?

 

 

[Sweep]

36 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Lock everything down all you want. It will just come back unitl everyone is vaccinated.

We will just go round in circles.

We should be able to have a firm lockdown until the most vulnerable are vaccinated, which hopefully will ease the pressure on the NHS, and that should hopefully happen before the end of March  - as for vaccinating everybody, that's going to take months and months. It'll be this time next year before everybody in the UK gets vaccinated.

[Zico]

Just now, Escobarp said:

Those countries aren’t full of brits though. 

The ones in Dubai did there best to spoil it for the locals when they eased restrictions for a day at the start of Ramadan

[Sweep]

1 minute ago, ErnestTurnip said:

Do we reckon those in power have a plan B for if this can't be beaten and is always going to be a threat or are we just going to keep on pressing pause and thinking we'll get there one day?

 

 

It can be beaten, but it takes very, very extreme measures - it depends if we and the rest of the world are prepared to do it though. As I mentioned earlier, even if we get rid of in in the UK, so what, if it's still running around the rest of the world, then it still fucks us over

[Not in Crawley]

At work today...its very quiet.

[Zico]

5 minutes ago, ErnestTurnip said:

Do we reckon those in power have a plan B for if this can't be beaten and is always going to be a threat or are we just going to keep on pressing pause and thinking we'll get there one day?

 

 

tiers was plan B, pre vaccine

we will get there one day, that'll be when everyone is vaccined, will take a while yet though

think santisers and distancing are part of life for a long time to come, masks eventually optional

can't begin to imagine when I'll be going to a standing gig again

[gonzo]

What countries with similar population density and demographics have got on top of it?