Coronavirus

[Sweep]

8 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

All have done better than we have, by a long chalk 

But then again, they all got on top of it before it was a problem 

Had any of those countries found themselves in our position, I doubt any of those countries would accept a double digit GDP decline, they would in all likelihood balance the economic damage with an acceptable number of deaths 

Even if we opened up fully now, we wouldn’t end up on more than 100k deaths, given we have a vaccine that’s started to be rolled out. This whole thing was about stopping the NHS being overrun first and foremost. 15m get vaccinated and 99% of that risk is done. The most vulnerable 5m get vaccinated and 50% of that risk has gone, should be there by end of January (I hope)

Anyone who thinks we will shut things down until Easter (inc building sites, manufacturing, schools etc) is a complete moon man 

We will manage an acceptable number of deaths whilst stoping the NHS from being overrun 

We'll have a shutdown in January, of sorts, manufacturing and building sites will continue, but I'd not be surprised to see schools remain shut until February. We're certainly not locking down for any more than a month I wouldn't have thought.

 

[Escobarp]

Garden centers and the likes of b and a to be closed imminently up here. Krankie is ramping up tier 4 and rightly so. Problem is how she controls it coming over the border. Pointless locking us down otherwise. Although I am still til it’s coming to all amd still told Easter but could be shite

Edited December 22, 2020 by Escobarp

[Tonge moor green jacket]

52 minutes ago, Spider said:

Spain has 11pm curfews, and educational shutdowns.

To describe it as normal is what anyone who doesn't live there would say.

You see what you want to see. 

My sister lives there and describes it as "fucking awful". 

Bear in mind, Spaniards prefer to go out after 11pm when all the giddy Brits have started to piss their pants.

It's probably like Tier 2 where Mounts is. With British people hiding smug grins under their union jack masks.

Think I'd rather be here.

True, nowhere is normal.

As Draconian as our or anyone else's situation may appear, each country is doing what it feels is best for its population.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Garden centers and the likes of b and a to be closed imminently up here. Krankie is ramping up tier 4 and rightly so. Problem is how she controls it coming over the border. Pointless locking us down otherwise. Although I am still til it’s coming to all amd still told Easter but could be shite

Still comes down to people just following rules.

Maybe some changes to social distancing requirements may come in for this new strain, just need to follow them and get our vaccine when due.

[jules_darby]

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

True, nowhere is normal.

As Draconian as our or anyone else's situation may appear, each country is doing what it feels is best for its population.

Or what they feel will score them the most political capital at every juncture 

Edited December 22, 2020 by jules_darby

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

27 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

All have done better than we have, by a long chalk 

But then again, they all got on top of it before it was a problem 

Had any of those countries found themselves in our position, I doubt any of those countries would accept a double digit GDP decline, they would in all likelihood balance the economic damage with an acceptable number of deaths 

Even if we opened up fully now, we wouldn’t end up on more than 100k deaths, given we have a vaccine that’s started to be rolled out. This whole thing was about stopping the NHS being overrun first and foremost. 15m get vaccinated and 99% of that risk is done. The most vulnerable 5m get vaccinated and 50% of that risk has gone, should be there by end of January (I hope)

Anyone who thinks we will shut things down until Easter (inc building sites, manufacturing, schools etc) is a complete moon man 

We will manage an acceptable number of deaths whilst stoping the NHS from being overrun 

The East Asian countries definitely wouldn't. They don't fuck around when it comes to things like this, it's lockdown until it's driven out.

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, Spider said:

I'd bet decent money that 36804 people aren't all self-isolating after those results.

It has to start there

Draw a line and start tagging the cunts. Anyone outside the household goes to a holding centre.

 

Easy to say that

but if say some truck driver working on the agency tests positive and is off very unlikely he will get his placement back

like mentioned before WFH and those who get paid to isolate all very good but some don’t have that option 

[Zico]

 

 

[wiggy]

30 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Even if we opened up fully now, we wouldn’t end up on more than 100k deaths

I call massive bullshit. We’re all guessing to some extent, but I suspect we will get very close to that number even with various impending levels of lockdown.

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, wiggy said:

I call massive bullshit. We’re all guessing to some extent, but I suspect we will get very close to that number even with various impending levels of lockdown.

Indeed, at current run rate, have we got something like 3000 a week passing,  so we'll be at 100K within 10 weeks. Of course the vaccine is now starting to be pushed out which will help reduce, but I reckon we'll see a spike over the coming weeks, and it'll depend how big that is really  -  by the end of it, we'll probably be not far off 100K deaths that are attributed to COVID, and that's with the current and future harsher restrictions in place. If we let it run now, I think we'd comfortably get to 100K.

[ZiggyStardust]

27 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

 

Strange that the rest of the world are amazed at 'our' overreaction, but have then banned travel to their countries by UK citizens.

[gonzo]

9 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

Strange that the rest of the world are amazed at 'our' overreaction, but have then banned travel to their countries by UK citizens.

Flexing their EU muscle?

[jules_darby]

9 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

Strange that the rest of the world are amazed at 'our' overreaction, but have then banned travel to their countries by UK citizens.

Not really 

Scientists across the rest of the world

It’s the politicians across the rest of the world that shut their doors

Not strange at all

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, birch-chorley said:

All have done better than we have, by a long chalk 

But then again, they all got on top of it before it was a problem 

Had any of those countries found themselves in our position, I doubt any of those countries would accept a double digit GDP decline, they would in all likelihood balance the economic damage with an acceptable number of deaths 

Even if we opened up fully now, we wouldn’t end up on more than 100k deaths, given we have a vaccine that’s started to be rolled out. This whole thing was about stopping the NHS being overrun first and foremost. 15m get vaccinated and 99% of that risk is done. The most vulnerable 5m get vaccinated and 50% of that risk has gone, should be there by end of January (I hope)

Anyone who thinks we will shut things down until Easter (inc building sites, manufacturing, schools etc) is a complete moon man 

We will manage an acceptable number of deaths whilst stoping the NHS from being overrun 

I'd feel a bit more confident if Boris and his gang of morons left the roll out of the vaccine to public health authorities.

If they can find a way to fuck it up they will

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, Mr Grey said:

We are the biggest testers in the world by % of population, 58m test so far, something like 750k out of 1m have had a test, although some people will have had multiple tests.

The death rate in the next 7 to 14 days is going to increase, obviously due to the increased infection rates, and when they start testing in schools and colleges after the new year, the infection rate is gonna go through the roof, that's if schools aren't closed by then.

 

Looking like they will be.

[ZiggyStardust]

25 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

Not really 

Scientists across the rest of the world

It’s the politicians across the rest of the world that shut their doors

Not strange at all

So then, the scientists would be amazed at Politicians overreaction, not the just the Uk politicians one.

In essence, it either a overreaction by the UK, France, Belgium, Germany, Ireland, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, Italy, Russia, Austria, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Croatia, Bulgaria, Malta, Finland, Polad, Portugal, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, North Macedonia, Israel, South Africa, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Jordan, Sudan, Tunisia, Canada, USA, Peru, El Salvador, Chile, Argentina, Jamaica, Grenada, Homg Kong, Pakistan, India, & Singapore, all of whom have either banned, or are in the process of banning, travel by UK citizens.

Or its not an overreaction.

So maybe, just maybe, they should have a pop at all the above countries, or none. Unless of course, the person reporting it has an agenda.

Or maybe, the scientists around the world have told their countries politicians to ignore the new strain, but have been ignored, and therefore have a grudge against the Uk. Who knows.

It is strange.

[jules_darby]

13 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

So then, the scientists would be amazed at Politicians overreaction, not the just the Uk politicians one.

In essence, it either a overreaction by the UK, France, Belgium, Germany, Ireland, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, Italy, Russia, Austria, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Croatia, Bulgaria, Malta, Finland, Polad, Portugal, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, North Macedonia, Israel, South Africa, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Jordan, Sudan, Tunisia, Canada, USA, Peru, El Salvador, Chile, Argentina, Jamaica, Grenada, Homg Kong, Pakistan, India, & Singapore, all of whom have either banned, or are in the process of banning, travel by UK citizens.

Or its not an overreaction.

So maybe, just maybe, they should have a pop at all the above countries, or none. Unless of course, the person reporting it has an agenda.

Or maybe, the scientists around the world have told their countries politicians to ignore the new strain, but have been ignored, and therefore have a grudge against the Uk. Who knows.

It is strange.

the reaction by the politicians rest of the world is triggered by the reaction of ours.

Hancock said it was out of control.

 

[Sweep]

3 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

the reaction by the politicians rest of the world is triggered by the reaction of ours.

Hancock said it was out of control.

 

That's a very fair point, if our guys look like they're in a panic, then how do we expect the rest of the world to react

[jmjhb]

Can't imagine many Brits going to Sudan or El Salvador at the moment tbh

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, jules_darby said:

Or what they feel will score them the most political capital at every juncture 

Well that is hardly the case here is it?

 

[dave2980]

1 hour ago, mickbrown said:

I'd feel a bit more confident if Boris and his gang of morons left the roll out of the vaccine to public health authorities.

If they can find a way to fuck it up they will

PHE are just as bad if not worse

[jules_darby]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Well that is hardly the case here is it?

 

I’d say many times it is. However the indecisive Fuckwit shows no singular path and sticks with it.

His delays and flip flops mean he’s alienating most along the way as he’s forced into decisions by his inaction and inability to stick to a proper process and ideology on it

[ZiggyStardust]

51 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

the reaction by the politicians rest of the world is triggered by the reaction of ours.

Hancock said it was out of control.

 

It would be the first time anyone has listened an dtaken notice of that cockwomble Hancock.

46 minutes ago, Sweep said:

That's a very fair point, if our guys look like they're in a panic, then how do we expect the rest of the world to react

 

But then thats the same for our politicos, if the scientists are panicking (as they appear to be), surely the politicos will not want to be seen not reacting quickly emough. As would the foreign ones.

 

I think our govt is at 2/10 for their handling of the entire pandemic, but this seems like a no win situation. Do nothing, and they act too slow. Do something, and they look to be in a panic.

FWIW, ther rest of the world are now doing what should have been done 12 months ago. Close borders. Contain. React accordingly.

 

[ZiggyStardust]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Flexing their EU muscle?

Canada ? Australia? Saudi ? Russia ? India ? etc etc

All those top notch Euro countries ?

[MickyD]

2 hours ago, Escobarp said:

Garden centers and the likes of b and a to be closed imminently up here. Krankie is ramping up tier 4 and rightly so. Problem is how she controls it coming over the border. Pointless locking us down otherwise. Although I am still til it’s coming to all amd still told Easter but could be shite

Isn’t that exactly how we’ve suffered? London goes into tier 4 and those who can, fuck off in all directions.

As British Railways used to say, “We’re getting you there.”

Problem is, their successors ought not to have been allowed to.