Spider Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 A question for the older members of WWays If restrictions relax in 3 weeks, are you happy for everyone to go about their business? Happy to go to the pub and mix with people who may be carrying the virus? Quote
Rudy Posted April 12, 2020 Author Posted April 12, 2020 To maybe give an indication of when the football season may restart, I usually get sent an information pack on next opponents for both Women’s and Men’s first team, it gives a break down on their strengths and weaknesses and focus points. This morning I got it through but it wasn’t opponents it was areas to strengthen. Usually get one of these towards the end of Christmas and one at the end of the season, so it was a little unexpected to get it today. I spoke to my gaffer and asked why it’s not the next opponent ones he said there is a good possibility that they will call an end to the season now and we’ve been told from higher up to start prepping for next season. Now I’d imagine this is worst case scenario I asked about games behind closed doors he said that’s still about 100 people in a confined space and everyone would need to be tested, if they can’t be tested then it poses a risk of being spread back to family when staff go home. Hes not hopeful that this season will restart. Quote
Ani Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 The reason to relax measures are to do partially with mental health. As Zico says the idea of lockdown is not to get rid of the virus it is to manage the spread. Give us time to build capacity in the NHS. People will continue to get and die from the virus as they do from flu until a vaccine is available. Be interesting then to see what the anti-vacinne brigade think of it. Quote
radcliffe white Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said: To maybe give an indication of when the football season may restart, I usually get sent an information pack on next opponents for both Women’s and Men’s first team, it gives a break down on their strengths and weaknesses and focus points. This morning I got it through but it wasn’t opponents it was areas to strengthen. Usually get one of these towards the end of Christmas and one at the end of the season, so it was a little unexpected to get it today. I spoke to my gaffer and asked why it’s not the next opponent ones he said there is a good possibility that they will call an end to the season now and we’ve been told from higher up to start prepping for next season. Now I’d imagine this is worst case scenario I asked about games behind closed doors he said that’s still about 100 people in a confined space and everyone would need to be tested, if they can’t be tested then it poses a risk of being spread back to family when staff go home. Hes not hopeful that this season will restart. After reading a piece on lower league finances this morning it makes perfect sense to shelve this season I have been very much for getting it done but think we spoke on the other thread time is just slipping Quote
Rudy Posted April 12, 2020 Author Posted April 12, 2020 Just now, radcliffewhite1 said: After reading a piece on lower league finances this morning it makes perfect sense to shelve this season I have been very much for getting it done but think we spoke on the other thread time is just slipping Yeah can’t see it myself. Scotland obviously don’t think cab hence why they’ve binned their seasons. And In theory they could do it later and have less games next season, just by playing each other twice. Quote
kent_white Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 1 hour ago, green genie said: The reports from South Korea of recovered patients "reactivating" are a worry. 91 cases now seem unlikely to be testing errors Yeah - I'm not sure how seriously to take that. If it's true then it's a big concern. But the 'recover test' is 2 negative results on consecutive days. The test isn't 100% accurate - so it's plausible that a country that did lots of testing like South Korea could generate a lot of false negatives. Even if they were testing twice. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that that's the case. Quote
Tombwfc Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Escobarp said: You of course mean the scientific advisors who are effectively pulling the strings with the government merely enacting their views? people seem to forget this. The message is very clear. We are being led by the science. Would anyone like that translating to another language as it appears it’s a really difficult thing to get a grip on. Because it's simplistic bollocks? 'The science' is not a singular entity, passing forward uniformly agreed advice. If it was, all countries would be doing the exact same thing at the same time. The decisions the government have taken will have been based on medical science, behavioural science, economic, political (yes) and all sorts of other advice. It's not being led by any one thing. Us coming out of lockdown, for example, will be as much about not completely tanking the economy as it will be about slowing the spread of the virus. As an example from earlier in this crisis... https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/coronavirus-lockdown-latest-laissez-faire-lockdown-warnings-covid-19-outbreak-2516986%3famp The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), which advises the Government on a daily basis, concluded that social distancing and school closures should be imposed "as soon as practical". Even after SAGE's intervention, it took days for schools to be closed. Quote
Escobarp Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tombwfc said: Because it's simplistic bollocks? 'The science' is not a singular entity, passing forward uniformly agreed advice. If it was, all countries would be doing the exact same thing at the same time. The decisions the government have taken will have been based on medical science, behavioural science, economic, political (yes) and all sorts of other advice. It's not being led by any one thing. Us coming out of lockdown, for example, will be as much about not completely tanking the economy as it will be about slowing the spread of the virus. As an example from earlier in this crisis... https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/coronavirus-lockdown-latest-laissez-faire-lockdown-warnings-covid-19-outbreak-2516986%3famp Ah it’s all bollocks. Another one for the ignore list. Mind boggling Quote
Spider Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) So Liverpool wouldn’t get their name on the trophy? Edited April 12, 2020 by Spider Quote
Escobarp Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 Just now, Spider said: So Liverpool wouldn’t get their name on the trophy? Sadly they wouldn’t ppg and we will get relegated I imagine is the outcome Quote
Guest Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 24 minutes ago, Spider said: A question for the older members of WWays If restrictions relax in 3 weeks, are you happy for everyone to go about their business? Happy to go to the pub and mix with people who may be carrying the virus? Am I “older”? Quote
SatanGreavsie Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 If they're bringing in a phased back to work scenario for people, with measures in place to minimise risk, then I don't see why behind closed doors can't work. Karren Brady banging on about needing an ambulance there etc is just a smokescreen for the fact that her club are only outside the relegation zone thanks to goal difference. After all, next season is fucked anyhow - until there's a vaccine (New Year at least by the sound of it) you can't possibly have big crowds together - after all, how do you manage the fact that more vulnerable people would turn up. Do you ban over 70s? Next season is simply not happening barring a curtailed (play each other once) option after a vaccine arrives. So at least find a way to finish this one. Surely better for the "integrity of the game" to finish summat that's started than worry about a hypothetical thing that's not started and never will (properly) anyhow? Quote
London Wanderer Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Escobarp said: You of course mean the scientific advisors who are effectively pulling the strings with the government merely enacting their views? people seem to forget this. The message is very clear. We are being led by the science. Would anyone like that translating to another language as it appears it’s a really difficult thing to get a grip on. The evidence (interviews and documents coming out of Downing Street) shows you're right . And it points at a balls up from Downing Street's top medical advisors for not signalling their worst fears and continuing to keep the risk level at "moderate" up until early March. That still poses 2 questions though: 1- Why did our govn. risk not preparing equipment and resources earlier? The risk was moderarate ffs- not inexistent. 2. Why didn't they open up their top scientific advisors to scrutiny? More evidence from Downing Street shows there was plenty other advisors further down who were urging a different approach. The reason why the govn. and medical advisors didn't look at more stringent lockdown measures is also dubious- "Britons, many of them assumed, simply wouldn’t accept such restrictions". So both the government and medical advisors chose to commit to the 'herd immmunity' strategy based on a social judgement that quite frankly turned out to be bollocks. Unfortunately, it's just poor timing that we happen to have a populist buffoon for a leader at a time when we need someone open to reason and sound judgement. Luckily there are some other people in the cabinet who are stepping up to the game and making a difference. My views aren't about left and right politics as it's clear governments across Europe from all sides have made mistakes. I stand by the belief that it is the key workers and the vast majoriy of us, who are social distancing, that are pulling together and getting us through this. I would have expected a leader at this time to analyse all the science and open his advisors up to scrutiny. Especially when a huge proportion of the scientific community and WHO were urging Boris to take action. The reality in all of this is that the countries that listened to that advice or chose not to take the risk are seeing the lowest death rates. At the end of the day though, I'm just another person trying to make sense of it all. So all I ask is a proper public inquiry into all of this, carried out at the approrpiate time, so we learn from it and hear all of the facts. Below you can find my sources for Boris's buffoonery https://news.sky.com/video/coronavirus-i-shook-hands-with-everybody-11948548 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO9F6BDffx4 Edited April 12, 2020 by London Wanderer Quote
only1swanny Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 Schools had to close before being told to.. Simply not enough staff, some schools will have a fair few staff that have to sheild themselves and if there are not enough staff, they can't open.. On paper, reducing lockdown is fine, the reality is very different. Quote
Rudy Posted April 12, 2020 Author Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Spider said: So Liverpool wouldn’t get their name on the trophy? Not sure bit of a grey area. SPL might be ending prematurely, which Celtic thinks they should then be awarded the title, until Rangers said woah simmer down there l, no one wins it. And that’s a tin pot league, can you imagine the Scousers being told they won’t get the Premier league. Oh I get a wiggle just thinking about it Edited April 12, 2020 by Rudy’s Message Quote
Jol_BWFC Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 Is Priti Patel the new Diane Abbott? #numberwang Quote
Escobarp Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: The evidence (interviews and documents coming out of Downing Street) shows you're right . And it points at a balls up from Downing Street's top medical advisors for not signalling their worst fears and continuing to keep the risk level at "moderate" up until early March. That still poses 2 questions though: 1- Why did our govn. risk not preparing equipment and resources earlier? The risk was moderarate ffs- not inexistent. 2. Why didn't they open up their top scientific advisors to scrutiny? More evidence from Downing Street shows there was plenty other advisors further down who were urging a different approach. The reason why the govn. and medical advisors didn't look at more stringent lockdown measures is also dubious- "Britons, many of them assumed, simply wouldn’t accept such restrictions". So both the government and medical advisors chose to commit to the 'herd immmunity' strategy based on a social judgement that quite frankly turned out to be bollocks. Unfortunately, it's just poor timing that we happen to have a populist buffoon for a leader at a time when we need someone open to reason and sound judgement. Luckily there are some other people in the cabinet who are stepping up to the game and making a difference. My views aren't about left and right politics as it's clear governments across Europe from all sides have made mistakes. I stand by the belief that it is the key workers and the vast majoriy of us, who are social distancing, that are pulling together and getting us through this. I would have expected a leader at this time to analyse all the science and open his advisors up to scrutiny. Especially when a huge proportion of the scientific community and WHO were urging Boris to take action. The reality in all of this is that the countries that listened to that advice or chose not to take the risk are seeing the lowest death rates. At the end of the day though, I'm just another person trying to make sense of it all. So all I ask is a proper public inquiry into all of this, carried out at the approrpiate time, so we learn from it and hear all of the facts. Below you can find my sources for Boris's buffoonery https://news.sky.com/video/coronavirus-i-shook-hands-with-everybody-11948548 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO9F6BDffx4 1. Where is the evidence that they didn’t start to prepare? My understanding is they did. Maybe they’ve undercooked it but as we’ve seen on this board numerous examples why things haven’t gone and still aren’t going to plan despite best efforts 2. that’s like me saying I’ve got a differing view on strategy for my employer and I’m not sure why they don’t listen to my ideas and fuck the ceo off. Because ultimately he’s much more qualified than Me and is employed for that reason. I’m not. again one last time. Hindsight is a wonderful tool. I know last weeks lottery numbers. Why didn’t I put them on Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: The evidence (interviews and documents coming out of Downing Street) shows you're right . And it points at a balls up from Downing Street's top medical advisors for not signalling their worst fears and continuing to keep the risk level at "moderate" up until early March. That still poses 2 questions though: 1- Why did our govn. risk not preparing equipment and resources earlier? The risk was moderarate ffs- not inexistent. 2. Why didn't they open up their top scientific advisors to scrutiny? More evidence from Downing Street shows there was plenty other advisors further down who were urging a different approach. The reason why the govn. and medical advisors didn't look at more stringent lockdown measures is also dubious- "Britons, many of them assumed, simply wouldn’t accept such restrictions". So both the government and medical advisors chose to commit to the 'herd immmunity' strategy based on a social judgement that quite frankly turned out to be bollocks. Unfortunately, it's just poor timing that we happen to have a populist buffoon for a leader at a time when we need someone open to reason and sound judgement. Luckily there are some other people in the cabinet who are stepping up to the game and making a difference. My views aren't about left and right politics as it's clear governments across Europe from all sides have made mistakes. I stand by the belief that it is the key workers and the vast majoriy of us, who are social distancing, that are pulling together and getting us through this. I would have expected a leader at this time to analyse all the science and open his advisors up to scrutiny. Especially when a huge proportion of the scientific community and WHO were urging Boris to take action. The reality in all of this is that the countries that listened to that advice are seeing the lowest death rates. At the end of the day though, I'm just another person trying to make sense of it all. So all I ask is a proper public inquiry into all of this, carried out at the approrpiate time, so we learn from it and hear all of the facts. Below you can find my sources for Boris's buffoonery https://news.sky.com/video/coronavirus-i-shook-hands-with-everybody-11948548 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO9F6BDffx4 Spain, Italy, France, lock downed before us and all currently have higher death rate than we do. Only South Korea and Germany have vastly different death rates and I think that was due to test and tracking of those who had CV. Seems you don’t like Johnson to me. Quote
Guest Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: The evidence (interviews and documents coming out of Downing Street) shows you're right . And it points at a balls up from Downing Street's top medical advisors for not signalling their worst fears and continuing to keep the risk level at "moderate" up until early March. That still poses 2 questions though: 1- Why did our govn. risk not preparing equipment and resources earlier? The risk was moderarate ffs- not inexistent. 2. Why didn't they open up their top scientific advisors to scrutiny? More evidence from Downing Street shows there was plenty other advisors further down who were urging a different approach. The reason why the govn. and medical advisors didn't look at more stringent lockdown measures is also dubious- "Britons, many of them assumed, simply wouldn’t accept such restrictions". So both the government and medical advisors chose to commit to the 'herd immmunity' strategy based on a social judgement that quite frankly turned out to be bollocks. Unfortunately, it's just poor timing that we happen to have a populist buffoon for a leader at a time when we need someone open to reason and sound judgement. Luckily there are some other people in the cabinet who are stepping up to the game and making a difference. My views aren't about left and right politics as it's clear governments across Europe from all sides have made mistakes. I stand by the belief that it is the key workers and the vast majoriy of us, who are social distancing, that are pulling together and getting us through this. I would have expected a leader at this time to analyse all the science and open his advisors up to scrutiny. Especially when a huge proportion of the scientific community and WHO were urging Boris to take action. The reality in all of this is that the countries that listened to that advice or chose not to take the risk are seeing the lowest death rates. At the end of the day though, I'm just another person trying to make sense of it all. So all I ask is a proper public inquiry into all of this, carried out at the approrpiate time, so we learn from it and hear all of the facts. Below you can find my sources for Boris's buffoonery https://news.sky.com/video/coronavirus-i-shook-hands-with-everybody-11948548 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO9F6BDffx4 Yes, at the appropriate time. And should be impartial Your political views seem to have more weight than the science. Edited April 12, 2020 by boltondiver Quote
burnden Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 51 minutes ago, Spider said: A question for the older members of WWays If restrictions relax in 3 weeks, are you happy for everyone to go about their business? Happy to go to the pub and mix with people who may be carrying the virus? No can do , unfortunately Mrs is immunosuppressed so need to stay in with her til at least end of her shielding letter date , another 11 weeks Already been in 4 weeks.. Quote
Casino Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Spider said: A question for the older members of WWays If restrictions relax in 3 weeks, are you happy for everyone to go about their business? Happy to go to the pub and mix with people who may be carrying the virus? Yes Quickest way out of this is to get out there and get infected And 2 3rds of this house is at work anyway Edited April 12, 2020 by Casino Quote
Traf Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 Just now, Rudy’s Message said: Good man Traf You asked at least twice and nobody was taking you on. I call that rude, so I had to step in. It's Easter Sunday FFS. Quote
Zico Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 a timelines of events that doesn't show the government in a very good light on how they've handled this https://bylinetimes.com/2020/04/11/a-national-scandal-a-timeline-of-the-uk-governments-woeful-response-to-the-coronavirus-crisis/ make of it what you well, but it does suggest a lot of fucking around and failure to act quickly on our part it may well be politically motivated but would be interesting to know if there are any date lines that have been missed that would redress the balance Quote
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