Coronavirus

[kent_white]

16 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

Have I dreamt it or is there a chance a test will be made telling you if you’ve ever had it?

No - we bought 3.5 million of them - but they didn't work was the last I heard. Not sure how that one slipped under the radar without scrutiny?

A reliable antibody test would be a potential game changer though.

[kent_white]

27 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Will we become immune kent once we’ve had it do you think?

We don't really know sadly. If it mutates like flu does then we'll need vaccination year on year. I suppose the hope is that is doesn't.

Read something a few weeks back that said it mutated very slowly which is great - but not heard anything subsequently. And I'm not sure how reliable the study was.

[Traf]

15 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Sir Jeremy farrar was just on Andrew marr 

saying he thinks a vaccine will be ready for autumn but it’s the distribution which will be the problem 

Millions of couriers / volunteers / furloughed workers / the unemployed could do it?

[only1swanny]

2 minutes ago, Traf said:

Millions of couriers / volunteers / furloughed workers / the unemployed could do it?

750,000 volunteers that have signed up would more than likely offer their services..

I know I would and I didn't volunteer. 

[radcliffe white]

3 minutes ago, Traf said:

Millions of couriers / volunteers / furloughed workers / the unemployed could do it?

Well yes that’s another debate 

I’m hoping not to be on furlough come autumn 😀

[green genie]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

We don't really know sadly. If it mutates like flu does then we'll need vaccination year on year. I suppose the hope is that is doesn't.

Read something a few weeks back that said it mutated very slowly which is great - but not heard anything subsequently. And I'm not sure how reliable the study was.

The reports from South Korea of recovered patients "reactivating" are a worry. 91 cases now seem unlikely to be testing errors

[ZiggyStardust]

45 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said:

Several published policies on pandemic strategy published by the Government and the WHO over many years including an updated version recently by the current Government certainly carry more weight than a speculative article in a disreputable right wing rag aka the Express if that's what you're asking?

Especially as the rag in question offered absolutely zero proof to back up their wild claim.

Instead they based it on comments made by the MP for Tunbridge Wells who in turn said he'd heard it from "American Intelligence".

I know that the words "American" and "intelligence" are not generally used together much since Trump was elected, but if the CIA do have some evidence about the Chinese I doubt very much that the first thing they thought to themselves was "better call the MP for Tunbridge Wells to break the story".

I suppose if you read the Express you'd believe any old bollocks though.

Strangely, I didn't say the Chinese were lying, I was simply asking how you came to the conclusion that a 9 year old document proves that something happened 8 years later, as per your original post.

So I will ask you a simple question, yes/no answer please

do you believe that only 3.3k died in China during the outbreak ?

 

[Tombwfc]

5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

That's good. Wonder what folk would have done with a more stringent one?

All helpful in improving models for the future.

 

I'm not saying it's not difficult, if we'd locked down earlier and squashed the death rate, you'd probably have more people still believing that what happened in Spain and Italy could never happen here. But I'd rather be in that situation than the one we're in now.

There's a balance to be struck, but the reality is that the lessons other countries will be learning from us will be far more along the lines of what not to do.

It's somewhat frightening to think that the government were happy for another set of football fixtures to go ahead, until Arteta caught it and the clubs pulled it themselves. That would've been hundreds of thousands of people from different parts of the country mixing and spreading it.

[Escobarp]

34 minutes ago, Traf said:

Millions of couriers / volunteers / furloughed workers / the unemployed could do it?

If we’ve still got furloughed workers by the time a vaccine comes out then we’ve got an unbelievably large issue 

not saying we won’t have but if we have them I fail to see how we dig ourselves out of this economically 

and for completeness I agree with your idea to get everyone available involved at the time 

Edited April 12, 2020 by Escobarp

[Escobarp]

23 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

I'm not saying it's not difficult, if we'd locked down earlier and squashed the death rate, you'd probably have more people still believing that what happened in Spain and Italy could never happen here. But I'd rather be in that situation than the one we're in now.

There's a balance to be struck, but the reality is that the lessons other countries will be learning from us will be far more along the lines of what not to do.

It's somewhat frightening to think that the government were happy for another set of football fixtures to go ahead, until Arteta caught it and the clubs pulled it themselves. That would've been hundreds of thousands of people from different parts of the country mixing and spreading it.

You of course mean the scientific advisors who are effectively pulling the strings with the government merely enacting their views?

people seem to forget this. The message is very clear. We are being led by the science. Would anyone like that translating to another language as it appears it’s a really difficult thing to get a grip on. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

6 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

You of course mean the scientific advisors who are effectively pulling the strings with the government merely enacting their views?

people seem to forget this. The message is very clear. We are being led by the science. Would anyone like that translating to another language as it appears it’s a really difficult thing to get a grip on. 

Indeed. And as the science changes we'll learn from it.

The issue with football is an interesting one; at the time it did seem odd that they were still on, but again, those in the know will have had reasons.

It'll all come out in the wash later.

[Wanderlust]

37 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

Strangely, I didn't say the Chinese were lying, I was simply asking how you came to the conclusion that a 9 year old document proves that something happened 8 years later, as per your original post.

So I will ask you a simple question, yes/no answer please

do you believe that only 3.3k died in China during the outbreak ?

 

The Government's pandemic strategy is based on WHO planning done well before that and basically successive Governments merely renew the strategy with maybe the occasional update if any new research comes to light - but the core of it is same as it ever was.

As for the number of Chinese that died I've no idea. I know it sounds implausibly low but this is the nation that enforced a one child policy for twenty years with compulsory sterilisation and prison as a punishment for those who broke it and if the Chinese Government tells it's people to isolate they will sure as hell isolate - properly. That Government takes no shit from anyone and there were zero assholes having barbecues and coughing in people's faces after the Government stepped in - unlike here for instance.

Plus they all wore masks from day one so I don't see any reason why the reported figures shouldn't be true.

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Indeed. And as the science changes we'll learn from it.

The issue with football is an interesting one; at the time it did seem odd that they were still on, but again, those in the know will have had reasons.

It'll all come out in the wash later.

And you can only assume that they were advised that there was no compelling scientific reason at that time to stop them. Same as Cheltenham. 
 

for balance I think it was insane and whatever the science said I would have stopped Cheltenham and football etc immediately morning matter what the science was telling me as I would have applied common sense 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Hoppy510 said:

The Government's pandemic strategy is based on WHO planning done well before that and basically successive Governments merely renew the strategy with maybe the occasional update if any new research comes to light - but the core of it is same as it ever was.

As for the number of Chinese that died I've no idea. I know it sounds implausibly low but this is the nation that enforced a one child policy for twenty years with compulsory sterilisation and prison as a punishment for those who broke it and if the Chinese Government tells it's people to isolate they will sure as hell isolate - properly. That Government takes no shit from anyone and there were zero assholes having barbecues and coughing in people's faces after the Government stepped in - unlike here for instance.

Plus they all wore masks from day one so I don't see any reason why the reported figures shouldn't be true.

The same government that arrested the doctor who tried to tell the world about this?

Their death total might indeed be correct, but I reckon you'll find much of the world would take the figures with a pinch of salt.

 

 

[Rudy]

43 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

If we’ve still got furloughed workers by the time a vaccine comes out then we’ve got an unbelievably large issue 

not saying we won’t have but if we have them I fail to see how we dig ourselves out of this economically 

and for completeness I agree with your idea to get everyone available involved at the time 

Shirley we can get a Huge voluntary task force in this country to get them out to everyone in the country.

When this country pulls together there’s no greater country in the world. We’ve got some of the greatest minds in this country, the infrastructure, the economy, the bodies

It needs a top logistics team. A plan of action and that real British spirit

we won two world wars and one World Cup through planning, hard work and leadership!

Right now wheres Kelly Brooks Busters?

Edited April 12, 2020 by Rudy’s Message

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, Escobarp said:

And you can only assume that they were advised that there was no compelling scientific reason at that time to stop them. Same as Cheltenham. 
 

for balance I think it was insane and whatever the science said I would have stopped Cheltenham and football etc immediately morning matter what the science was telling me as I would have applied common sense 

Personally, I just wouldn't have gone. Game on or not.

Not worth the risk. 

[bolton va va]

5 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said:

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As for the number of Chinese that died I've no idea. I know it sounds implausibly low

Plus they all wore masks from day one so I don't see any reason why the reported figures shouldn't be true.

 

[HomerJay]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

As things stand, until a vaccine is found, each one of us will probably catch this at some point unless we stay locked up.

A vaccine is at least 8 months away.

Have I got this right?

And surely lockdown can't end until there are no new daily cases, or it will just start all over again won't it?

[Escobarp]

Just now, HomerJay said:

And surely lockdown can't end until there are no new daily cases, or it will just start all over again won't it?

Lockdown will end in some form as soon as the admissions to hospital drop significantly I would say. I could be wrong though 

[HomerJay]

Just now, Escobarp said:

Lockdown will end in some form as soon as the admissions to hospital drop significantly I would say. I could be wrong though 

But admissions are dropping because of the lockdown aren't they? 

I think we are months away from going back to work.

[Guest]

Just now, HomerJay said:

But admissions are dropping because of the lockdown aren't they? 

I think we are months away from going back to work.

Another 3 weeks and we’ll be phasing back

 

[Zico]

2 minutes ago, HomerJay said:

But admissions are dropping because of the lockdown aren't they? 

I think we are months away from going back to work.

I thought lockdown was to help the nhs cope

So when things drop, we start to relax things, then when they pick up, we reintroduce it

This is based on some graphs and that bucket of water analogy from a few weeks ago

 

Edited April 12, 2020 by ZicoKelly

[HomerJay]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

Another 3 weeks and we’ll be phasing back

 

Hmm, I can see a phased approach. With distance rules, but if it goes pearshaped then we're back to lockdown.

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Another 3 weeks and we’ll be phasing back

 

That’s where I’m at. And then lockdown again when it gets to a certain level. And repeat until we have a vaccine

[radcliffe white]

Reports today that Italy and Spain are to relax certain measures and some non essential workers are to return