Coronavirus

[Farrelli]

7 hours ago, Mr Grey said:

Some people are just frustrated by the whole lockdown covid-19 situation and are looking for someone to blame. Its shit and its obviously pissing a few off.

The balance between our health and the Economy is a massive one and i do not envy any Government that has to make that decision, because it won't please everybody and nobody actually knows what is the right or wrong decision.

We just need to keep calm, Rudy needs to keep posting Kellys big fucking tits, Zico carries out the Battlenips programme and we will be reet! .... ......... i think 🤔

 

Which people ? Just for context 

[radcliffe white]

Don’t mind Hancock he’s probably a little slippery but what politician isn’t, mistakes have been made and no doubt there will be a review once over 

for me Sunak will be the next PM and maybe sooner than people think 

[Farrelli]

10 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Don’t mind Hancock he’s probably a little slippery but what politician isn’t, mistakes have been made and no doubt there will be a review once over 

for me Sunak will be the next PM and maybe sooner than people think 

Chris Whitty next PM. 

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Don’t mind Hancock he’s probably a little slippery but what politician isn’t, mistakes have been made and no doubt there will be a review once over 

for me Sunak will be the next PM and maybe sooner than people think 

Let’s see how bright his star is when we get to unfurloughing

Edited May 8, 2020 by boltondiver

[Farrelli]

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Let’s see how bright is star when we get to unfurloughing

Yep plenty of time for Cummings to throw him under a tonne of used notes.

[Guest]

I thought this was a decent read

Feel free to disagree

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/we-know-everything-and-nothing-about-covid/amp?__twitter_impression=true

[Zico]

7 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I thought this was a decent read

Feel free to disagree

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/we-know-everything-and-nothing-about-covid/amp?__twitter_impression=true

I actually agree that if we're to ease lockdown then we need to able to test en masse and ensure all front line workers, in care homes and hospitals, have all the PPE they need

Get those things up to speed and we can move forward

[ProfessorWoland]

Obviously we still aren't testing enough, but talking to a friend working in Covid wards and the constant theme of obesity comes up:

 

Obviously this is something we share with our cousins across the pond. When I first went to the US I was startled by how large people were, but these days I just have to walk down the street to see that we followed that trend.

Obviously obesity puts a strain on your organs, but this was an interesting take on why it's proving such an aggravating factor in Covid-19: 

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After becoming infected with coronavirus, an obese person’s body may activate the large fat-dwelling reservoir of immune cells, which can cause excessive swelling and inflammation. This disproportionate activation of the immune system can cause damage in organs, including the lungs.

At day seven to ten of COVID-19, the patient often either begins to improve or can take a turn for the worse. This delayed deterioration suggests that the true harm caused by COVID-19 may be caused by the cytokine storm, rather than the infection itself.

Because fat tissue stores a large reservoir of immune cells, people with obesity may be more likely to suffer a cytokine storm reaction from COVID-19. This would result in damage to the lungs, severe respiratory distress or even death.

The same site focuses on the bacteria in your gut, which is often ignored by some medical professionals but that position is slowly changing:

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Why do symptoms in your gut mean you might get a worse case of COVID-19? It’s likely that the composition of your microbiome – the millions of bacteria and other organisms that usually live in our gastrointestinal tract – is a critical part of how an individual responds to COVID-19.

One group of researchers created a risk score based on biomarkers in the blood that can be increased or decreased depending on the composition of your microbiome. They found that the higher the score, the worse the outcome from COVID-19. This association was stronger for older individuals. It may be that the health of our gut bacteria has a critical role in how our immune system reacts to the disease.

 

Maybe a longer term consequence of this will be a look at how our food industry works in this country. Too often the cheapest food is the worst in terms of nutrition. It's cheaper and easier and arguably more instantly rewarding via sugar / processed food / endorphin rush to eat badly. 

Can we make good food more accessible to those on lower incomes, get serious about improving nutrition.  Walk down the high street and a lot of people don't look well. I don't want to see folk deprived of the foods they love or bullied, but seeing obese kids waddling around in ever greater numbers isn't great either. 

Tldr: lose weight, improve your diet, take some probiotics if you want a good outcome from a brush with Coronavirus... 

 

[wiggy]

So Kyle Walker. Caught breaking lockdown rules again. This time 3 times in 24 hours. Wonder what City will make of his behaviour. He could turn up to training next week and give it to the entire squad.

[Spider]

500+ people a day are still suffocating to death with no family around them.

500+ funerals a day with hardly any mourners.

This message needs hammering home by the press, not the prospect of a beer in the park.

 

[Mounts Kipper]

20 minutes ago, ProfessorWoland said:

Obviously we still aren't testing enough, but talking to a friend working in Covid wards and the constant theme of obesity comes up:

 

Obviously this is something we share with our cousins across the pond. When I first went to the US I was startled by how large people were, but these days I just have to walk down the street to see that we followed that trend.

Obviously obesity puts a strain on your organs, but this was an interesting take on why it's proving such an aggravating factor in Covid-19: 

The same site focuses on the bacteria in your gut, which is often ignored by some medical professionals but that position is slowly changing:

 

Maybe a longer term consequence of this will be a look at how our food industry works in this country. Too often the cheapest food is the worst in terms of nutrition. It's cheaper and easier and arguably more instantly rewarding via sugar / processed food / endorphin rush to eat badly. 

Can we make good food more accessible to those on lower incomes, get serious about improving nutrition.  Walk down the high street and a lot of people don't look well. I don't want to see folk deprived of the foods they love or bullied, but seeing obese kids waddling around in ever greater numbers isn't great either. 

Tldr: lose weight, improve your diet, take some probiotics if you want a good outcome from a brush with Coronavirus... 

 

Surely folk on lower income can buy healthy food cheaper than processed food, they also have the mental capacity to know what’s healthy food and what isn’t, it’s more a lifestyle choice rather than an affordability choice. 

[Spider]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

Surely folk on lower income can buy healthy food cheaper than processed food, they also have the mental capacity to know what’s healthy food and what isn’t, it’s more a lifestyle choice rather than an affordability choice. 

You’re dead right

But

A trolley full of £1 pizzas and fish fingers at Iceland says you’re on a hiding to nothing.

[ProfessorWoland]

27 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Surely folk on lower income can buy healthy food cheaper than processed food, they also have the mental capacity to know what’s healthy food and what isn’t, it’s more a lifestyle choice rather than an affordability choice. 

Yes but:

26 minutes ago, Spider said:

You’re dead right

But

A trolley full of £1 pizzas and fish fingers at Iceland says you’re on a hiding to nothing.

this.

I think a lot of people just don't have the cooking skills any more. It's not rocket science, but it does take a little bit of know how to turn some veggies, herbs, spices etc. into a nice meal. Moreso than opening a jar or just sticking some nuggets in the oven. 

Also, I know some will roll their eyes but I think some of this food is addictive:

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-food-addiction-works

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Frequent consumption of junk food may lead to dopamine tolerance. This means that a person will have to eat even more junk food to avoid going into withdrawal.

 

 

Edited May 8, 2020 by ProfessorWoland

[Youri McAnespie]

19 hours ago, Rudy’s Message said:

When porn wasn’t so easy to come by I thought Louis Theroux weird weekend on Porn would be a good source for a late night tug. 
It showed me how depressing the porn industry actually is, filled with depression and loneliness.

Arguably the toughest wank of my life

The log cabin shoot?

19 hours ago, peelyfeet said:

he doesn't do it for me either

Not even in his cameo appearance as a Park Ranger during the log cabin shoot?

Edited May 8, 2020 by Youri McAnespie

[radcliffe white]

Eating healthy costs 

so those on low incomes course will opt for the cheapest options 

[stevieb]

23 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Eating healthy costs 

so those on low incomes course will opt for the cheapest options 

It doesn't have to cost. 

It's not convenient that's why people don't do it, me included half the time. 

[radcliffe white]

20 minutes ago, stevieb said:

It doesn't have to cost. 

It's not convenient that's why people don't do it, me included half the time. 

Course time contributes it’s easier to bang something out of the freezer in the oven 

but take veg for example far cheaper to buy a frozen bag than buy separate 

food prices have drastically gone up over time so a low income family won’t have options 

[Youri McAnespie]

It could be argued the truly skint who wish to cook properly never have enough cash to build up a 'larder'; oil, spices, tins, herbs, vinegar etc.

Couple that with lack of knowledge/experience - people who can cook know they can omit X or substitute Y or use a cheaper item(s), folk who can't cook tend to follow recipes to the letter.

It's all well and good the well-meaning likes of Jamie Oliver offering up 'under a fiver' type meals but then use larder ingredients that would easily cost £10+ at least if you were starting cooking this way from scratch.

I look in wonder at those Farmfood pamphlets you get through the door...fuck me you could fill an army of little fat type-2 twats for less cost than one of Jamie's pukka piles of pretentious crap...

Edited May 8, 2020 by Youri McAnespie

[mickbrown]

52 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Or could Boris be killing off all the fat twats?  That would ease the strain on the NHS.

Just a theory, there's plenty about 😉

Billy Bunter himself aint exactly a whippet

[peelyfeet]

5 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

It could be argued the truly skint who wish to cook properly never have enough cash to build up a 'larder'; oil, spices, tins, herbs, vinegar etc.

Couple that with lack of knowledge/experience - people who can cook know they can omit X or substitute Y or use a cheaper item(s), folk who can't cook tend to follow recipes to the letter.

It's all well and good the well-meaning likes of Jamie Oliver offering up 'under a fiver' type meals but then use larder ingredients that would easily cost £10+ at least if you were starting cooking this way from scratch.

I look in wonder at those Farmfood pamphlets you get through the door...fuck me you could fill an army of little fat type-2 twats for less cost than one of Jamie's pukka piles of pretentious crap...

true, they should instead do proper cheap healthy meals. Carrots, potatoes, broccoli, onions, dried pulses, and cheap cuts of meat like liver. You can feed a family for a pittance. I do a Corned beef hash, or smoked bacon with sauteed veg, costs less than a £1 a portion.

Liver and carrot casserole mmmm sounds lovely. not.  kids like it though,  if you don't tell them what it is.

[peelyfeet]

1 hour ago, Youri McAnespie said:

The log cabin shoot?

Not even in his cameo appearance as a Park Ranger during the log cabin shoot?

That's me sorted for tonight. Can't wait for the Mrs to go to bed.

[ProfessorWoland]

15 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

It could be argued the truly skint who wish to cook properly never have enough cash to build up a 'larder'; oil, spices, tins, herbs, vinegar etc.

Couple that with lack of knowledge/experience - people who can cook know they can omit X or substitute Y or use a cheaper item(s), folk who can't cook tend to follow recipes to the letter.

It's all well and good the well-meaning likes of Jamie Oliver offering up 'under a fiver' type meals but then use larder ingredients that would easily cost £10+ at least if you were starting cooking this way from scratch.

I look in wonder at those Farmfood pamphlets you get through the door...fuck me you could fill an army of little fat type-2 twats for less cost than one of Jamie's pukka piles of pretentious crap...

Yeah its a vicious circle.

No idea on the answer. Maybe food banks could put together 'starter' packs of basic cooking ingredients and send those out. Although folks still need to know how to make use of them. 

My Brother in Law is in the food business and when the lockdown was imminent and the shelves started to empty of pasta and tinned tomatoes he remarked that  for many people, opening a jar of Dolmio and boiling some pasta was the limits of their cooking knowledge. Hence they all made the same choices when the shit was hitting the fan.

7 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

true, they should instead do proper cheap healthy meals. Carrots, potatoes, broccoli, onions, dried pulses, and cheap cuts of meat like liver. You can feed a family for a pittance. I do a Corned beef hash, or smoked bacon with sauteed veg, costs less than a £1 a portion.

Liver and carrot casserole mmmm sounds lovely. not.  kids like it though,  if you don't tell them what it is.

 Never have been able to stomach liver, whichever way it's been served. It'll have to be FarmFoods after all. 

[Youri McAnespie]

There's another thesis that if you're skint all the time and living a limited and, let's face it, shite life then you don't want to eat liver and pulses and porridge - you want a two big pizzas, two garlic baguette, big bag of southern fries and big bottle of Pepsi £6 mealdeal from the Family Shopper 'round the corner...

[Morizio]

17 minutes ago, ProfessorWoland said:

No idea on the answer. Maybe food banks could put together 'starter' packs of basic cooking ingredients and send those out. Although folks still need to know how to make use of them. 

Have you ever been in a food bank?

I have as a volunteer and one that operated under the Trussel Trust banner. That did/does what you said from cooking on a budget classes and serving meals up cooked following the budget menus which were freely available. 

The problem for these people though is deciding which way to spend their limited resources. Meter electricity isn’t cheap and putting the oven on eats the funds. 

Debt counselling was also offered as well and the guests had been referred by agencies. 

[Morizio]

6 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

There's another thesis that if you're skint all the time and living a limited and, let's face it, shite life then you don't want to eat liver and pulses and porridge - you want a two big pizzas, two garlic baguette, big bag of southern fries and big bottle of Pepsi £6 mealdeal from the Family Shopper 'round the corner...

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