Coronavirus

[Zico]

5 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

We have as I see it two choices. 
 

1) we stay as we are Until a vaccine is available and in doing so several folk on this very board (by way of an example of scale of impact no more than that) will lose their jobs and I would imagine a few their houses. 
 

2) we ease back and as we do so we do so in the knowledge that people are going to die as a result but we protect the economy a bit more and less of us lose our jobs and maybe none of us lose our homes. 
 

option 3 is lift it but that’s not really feasible 

 

and for added context think of what happens when the well insulated well padded safety jacket the government have put round us all is taken off. This is softening people’s expectations on just how bad this actually is. I can’t stress just how bad this really is words escape me. I’m depressing myself thinking About it!!

Im all for #2 at a level that protects the NHS, as #1 and #3 are not viable, but the response to BD was more in mind that he keeps posting links that suggest lockdown is a farce and not needed

But i think (hope) for all the time the government makes us wait then they will offer support via furlough help, business grants etc

Anyway, as we've always been a few weeks behind other countries now really is the time to watch and learn

[Escobarp]

5 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

Im all for #2 at a level that protects the NHS, as #1 and #3 are not viable, but the response to BD was more in mind that he keeps posting links that suggest lockdown is a farce and not needed

But i think (hope) for all the time the government makes us wait then they will offer support via furlough help, business grants etc

Anyway, as we've always been a few weeks behind other countries now really is the time to watch and learn

I think the furlough scheme etc have been wonderful. But they aren’t and can’t be open ended. They have to end sooner rather than later. There will be very heated discussions in the cabinet about this very matter. And rishi will be ageing years everyone day. 
 

It’s the same balance as most of us agreed early on and still do. Lives against economic health. 
 

mate of mine just text on this subject saying he heard someone saying more lives will be lost from poverty and stress caused by the economic effects of this than the virus itself. That could well become a fact 

[peelyfeet]

4 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Fair enough. I know we're on an economic downturn but I just wondered if the unique circumstance we find ourselves in might offer an advantage compared to other recessions (the furlough scheme ensuring people temporarily stay employed, the government offering loan garauntees, etc.). Unfortunately, It sounds like it's the opposite, though. And in a unprecedented way. Difficult times ahead.

 It'll be reet. 

I think the economies will bounce back faster than in most recent recessions. There's no underlying  financial bubble that's burst this time (granted there will be more debt). Stock markets trade on confidence, I think they'll boom when we get good news. Lots of businesses are digital so can start up quickly. 

Might be totally wrong, hope not.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, peelyfeet said:

 It'll be reet. 

I think the economies will bounce back faster than in most recent recessions. There's no underlying  financial bubble that's burst this time (granted there will be more debt). Stock markets trade on confidence, I think they'll boom when we get good news. Lots of businesses are digital so can start up quickly. 

Might be totally wrong, hope not.

I was thinking along those lines but I'm not knowledgable enough to know if there's any merit in it.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

I think the furlough scheme etc have been wonderful. But they aren’t and can’t be open ended. They have to end sooner rather than later. There will be very heated discussions in the cabinet about this very matter. And rishi will be ageing years everyone day. 
 

It’s the same balance as most of us agreed early on and still do. Lives against economic health. 
 

mate of mine just text on this subject saying he heard someone saying more lives will be lost from poverty and stress caused by the economic effects of this than the virus itself. That could well become a fact 

That's right, it isn't lives v the economy, it's lives v life

And right now we don't have a template upon which to make a decision.

 

By eck

Beer is the only option

[Zico]

1 minute ago, peelyfeet said:

 It'll be reet. 

I think the economies will bounce back faster than in most recent recessions. There's no underlying  financial bubble that's burst this time (granted there will be more debt). Stock markets trade on confidence, I think they'll boom when we get good news. Lots of businesses are digital so can start up quickly. 

Might be totally wrong, hope not.

Aye, my thinking to a degree is so what if virgin airlines go bust

At some point their planes and pilots will be needed

And if people can't holiday abroad, we can do UK holidays which will be good for us too

And if they can't then we're probably heading for post apocalyptic scenes like in The Road

[Zico]

Just now, boltondiver said:

Beer is the only option

On this we agree

When i have to start drinking bud light I'll come back to you on the economy

[Traf]

1 minute ago, ZicoKelly said:

Aye, my thinking to a degree is so what if virgin airlines go bust

nice

[Casino]

1 minute ago, Traf said:

nice

I'm sure he doesn't mean it

[ErnestTurnip]

In oddly positive news, we've had the best first week in May that we've ever had sales wise at work, and we're related to people getting back working so folk are making their own minds up.

Or alternatively folk are buying because they are bored and just buying, buying, buying like my frigging missus on Amazon.

[frank_spencer]

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

We have as I see it two choices. 
 

1) we stay as we are Until a vaccine is available and in doing so several folk on this very board (by way of an example of scale of impact no more than that) will lose their jobs and I would imagine a few their houses. 
 

2) we ease back and as we do so we do so in the knowledge that people are going to die as a result but we protect the economy a bit more and less of us lose our jobs and maybe none of us lose our homes. 
 

option 3 is lift it but that’s not really feasible 

Being selfish I'd choose option 1. Council tennant so house is in no danger. Going off what we were told by the Universal Credit today we can probably get by on that income as our self employed income is fuck all at the mo.

Realistically we need to do a version of number 2 the question will be when and how. Bojo and his cronies will have a very tough job on their hands. I'm not confident they won't fuck it up though going off past experience.

[Escobarp]

15 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

That's right, it isn't lives v the economy, it's lives v life

And right now we don't have a template upon which to make a decision.

 

By eck

Beer is the only option

Yep I’ve just opened one myself mate I’ve actually sickened myself thinking about it 

[Boby Brno]

19 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

That's right, it isn't lives v the economy, it's lives v life

And right now we don't have a template upon which to make a decision.

 

By eck

Beer is the only option

It’s the same decision that we had before lockdown. It’s an even harder one now. 

[Escobarp]

15 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

Aye, my thinking to a degree is so what if virgin airlines go bust

At some point their planes and pilots will be needed

And if people can't holiday abroad, we can do UK holidays which will be good for us too

And if they can't then we're probably heading for post apocalyptic scenes like in The Road

It’s really not just airlines. It’s not just hospitality sector. It’s all sectors. Everyone is affected by this and will be massively impacted. 
 

I do agree this isn’t like a normal recession and as such we do have the ability to bounce back quickly so that is spot on. Problem is Our starting position is much worse. 
 

think of it like like this. Normal recession you start on -12. After this we are - 50. It’s a long road back chaps. But we will achieve it but the scale of the deficit is now what we need to manage. At some point the points deduction just becomes to big and there is human collateral damage 

[Guest]

Just now, Boby Brno said:

It’s the same decision that we had before lockdown. It’s an even harder one now. 

Indeed, closing the country down was much easier than unlocking.

 

[Rudy]

I’ve wrote Boris’s speech for Sunday.

”Good Evening,

I want to say thank you to the NHS and the key workers who have kept this country going. 

Thank you to the majority of the Great British People for adhering to the lockdown restrictions.
 

Unfortunately there a few bad apples in the orchard and they cannot be trusted because tattoo Stan and vest top Brenda will be pit in full force down Blackpool beach so I say this message clear and once again

Stay in your homes again you bunch of dicks

Big Bozza signing off “

[Traf]

For every single company that goes bump, there's a knock on effect in local communities. The Virgin staff losing their job will have less money to spend, so local shops etc lose revenue and so on.

There's no silver lining to any firm going bump.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Traf said:

For every single company that goes bump, there's a knock on effect in local communities. The Virgin staff losing their job will have less money to spend, so local shops etc lose revenue and so on.

There's no silver lining to any firm going bump.

I give you....

Man Utd plc!

[Escobarp]

Just now, Traf said:

For every single company that goes bump, there's a knock on effect in local communities. The Virgin staff losing their job will have less money to spend, so local shops etc lose revenue and so on.

There's no silver lining to any firm going bump.

Correct. And when a lot of these firms go bump they aren’t the size of these big companies and there is normally the odd one. There will be a huge amount going pop or cutting half a work force to restructure the business.
These are to use a cliche unprecedented times 

[Traf]

Just now, boltondiver said:

I give you....

Man Utd plc!

I'd still disagree.

[little whitt]

45 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

I’ve wrote Boris’s speech for Sunday.

”Good Evening,

I want to say thank you to the NHS and the key workers who have kept this country going. 

Thank you to the majority of the Great British People for adhering to the lockdown restrictions.
 

Unfortunately there a few bad apples in the orchard and they cannot be trusted because tattoo Stan and vest top Brenda will be pit in full force down Blackpool beach so I say this message clear and once again

Stay in your homes again you bunch of dicks

Big Bozza signing off “

can you see all the Chavs having a street party BBQ this weekend with the weather 

bet there is another 10,000 dead by Monday 

was at Tesco at 7.45 this morning Qing  but people are age get it all where 2M apart all using the one way system 

80%  of the poplation get it and know it will be the norm till at least till the end of the year 

[Rudy]

10 minutes ago, little whitt said:

can you see all the Chavs having a street party BBQ this weekend with the weather 

bet there is another 10,000 dead by Monday 

was at Tesco at 7.45 this morning Qing  but people are age get it all where 2M apart all using the one way system 

80%  of the poplation get it and know it will be the norm till at least till the end of the year 

Yeah I can believe it mate. I went to aldi tonight and the beer aisle was virtually empty people stocking up for the weekend.

[gonzo]

 

[Escobarp]

I was down by the sea before and each day I’m amazed by how clear it is. The water is crystal clear. Normally a murky colour. 
 

If there is anything  good to come out of this it has to be people’s desire to have a cleaner planet. 

[Rudy]

I’ve said it before but the air is clearer, it feels fresher