Coronavirus

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Folk still dying at unacceptable numbers. 

 

9 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Folk still dying at unacceptable numbers. 

But that is rear view mirror driving, isn't it?

[radcliffe white]

Raab seemed to lose his patience with a few of the questions today 

Beth rigby Jesus frightening 

[mickbrown]

4 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

 

But that is rear view mirror driving, isn't it?

People were losing their shit when Italy was losing 500 people a day. Now it’s happening here people want the lock down easing. Makes no sense to me

Edited May 7, 2020 by mickbrown

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

People were losing their shit when Italy was losing 500 people a day. Now it’s happening here people want the lock down easing. Makes no sense to me

I hear what you say

It is clear that this is not a sociry-wide issue (hospitals and care homes, mostly)

 

But killing the economy is an issue for all of us

[Zico]

3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I hear what you say

It is clear that this is not a sociry-wide issue (hospitals and care homes, mostly)

 

But killing the economy is an issue for all of us

economies recover

anyway

I don't think there has ever been any doubt that we will ease lockdown

it's always been about saving lives and the NHS

that shouldn't change, and why should it?

ease lockdown, of course

but we can't go back to how it was in Feburary, now

[ErnestTurnip]

Just sharing cos it happened not to make any points or owt.

Someone at work today was sorting something out over the phone with someone who happened to be from Utah and subsequent research revealed to be a 31 year old woman of indiscernible breast size (HBAHT).

The summary of the small talk after she had sorted the work related thing is:

- she knew no-one who had had Covid, the person here knew no-one who had had Covid, hence Covid is bollocks and locking people down is bollocks

- no-one had recently died of the Black Death and Covid would be the same, one morning we would wake up and it would be gone, God's influence was mentioned

- she was eternally grateful that Trump was the man looking after her through this and everything else

That aside she did sort out the PCI compliance so every cloud.

[DazBob]

My concern is that when the lockdown is relaxed and, for example, we are told we can go to the park or the beach but to mindful of social distancing, you can bet they'll all be absolutely rammed.

People will then become infected and lay the blame at the feet of Boris for telling them they could go to the park and the beach.

The general public cannot be trusted not to be dicks.

[Tombwfc]

Has there been any research into the difference economically between relaxing the lockdown now and in three weeks time?

It seems to me the damage has already been done to a large extent, and there's no greater risk to the economy than us ending up back at square one.

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

Has there been any research into the difference economically between relaxing the lockdown now and in three weeks time?

It seems to me the damage has already been done to a large extent, and there's no greater risk to the economy than us ending up back at square one.

Really? Everyday that we're in lockdown the economy gets further damaged, to say there's no greater risk to the economy is ridiculous.

I'm not suggesting we should be easing the lockdown, but it is having an affect on the economy every single day.

 

[Escobarp]

39 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

economies recover

anyway

I don't think there has ever been any doubt that we will ease lockdown

it's always been about saving lives and the NHS

that shouldn't change, and why should it?

ease lockdown, of course

but we can't go back to how it was in Feburary, now

Economies do recover. I was talking to someone today at work and they had seen something from a reputable source (didn’t specify) that best guess is this will take 10 years minimum to recover from and by the time this is finished there will be hundreds of thousands of job losses. People will lose their homes because of this. Because mark my words the banks will just protect themselves. 
imagine if that was you would you be saying economies recover then?

[DazBob]

7 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Some will be responsible, some won't. That's life unfortunately and why the Government are in a no win situation, and it doesn't matter what Government is in power as some people will do what the fuck they like with whover is in power.

Completely agree. No matter what Boris decides going forwards there'll be plenty saying he's it's wrong. As you say, it really is a no win situation for him.

All of us, Joe Public, can continue to play our part in preventing the spread of this virus. Most of us will, but there will be far too many who won't.

[ErnestTurnip]

One of my kids is what is called Year 13 these days.

For any owd cunts that means he is 17/18 which is when a lot of people leave college these days, they go on to Uni, apprenticeships, jobs, drug dealing. There's been a massive push to get people on apprenticeships and so in old money kids go to sixth form to then go on higher level apprenticeships at places.

My lad is supposed to be gong to Uni and altho that is all over the show as well, these apprenticeships aren't happening any more and the kids have been told so.

The economy will recover because it ultimately always will but we might end up losing a couple of years of young folk in the bargain - won't matter as a general point though I realise.

[radcliffe white]

Currently there hasn’t been any goal in sight so much uncertainty (not condoning people who take the piss)

however once this road map is put out people will see that as steps towards the finishing line and hopefully will play ball 

[MancWanderer]

Went to Aldi this afternoon. On the way the streets were deserted which is encouraging. And barely anyone or any car has passed the front of our house today. Looks like folk round here are being sensible at least

As an aside the Aldi has gone very draconian. Hardly any cars on the car park but a long queue to get in. They were seriously limiting the number of folk in store but once in it was easy to shop as hardly anyone in and no queue at checkout 

Much as I miss a lot of things I’m prepared for a longer wait. Having sat on a Covid ward with the MiL I’d rather the economy tank and struggle for a few years than see more people suffer or die. The FiL had it, recovered, but suffers much in the way that sweep did. Still struggling for breath and his arthritis has flared up

[Rudy]

[Tombwfc]

17 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Really? Everyday that we're in lockdown the economy gets further damaged, to say there's no greater risk to the economy is ridiculous.

I'm not suggesting we should be easing the lockdown, but it is having an affect on the economy every single day.

 

 

I said there's no greater risk to the economy than ending up back at square one (having a second peak). The damage an extra three weeks would do pales in comparison to that. 

Get the virus properly under control and the rest follows. Otherwise we're trying to change our pants before we've stopped pissing ourselves.

[Casino]

Anyway, the more i think about it, matt hancock is an ubercunt and pushing cummings and mogg for twat of the year

[Casino]

Not to say i dont want to see some relaxing of the lockdown

But its more about getting people back to work than gatherings and street parties, for me

Get more shops open would be my aim

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I know nothing about economics, but is there a possibility we might be able to wheather the storm in a way that we wouldn't normally be able to with a regular recession?

As in, this time everything has come to an abrupt halt rather than companies going bust, people losing their jobs because of a specific economic downturn.

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, boltondiver said:

I hear what you say

It is clear that this is not a sociry-wide issue (hospitals and care homes, mostly)

 

But killing the economy is an issue for all of us

Aye yeah. It’s a fuck of a balance, I get that. 

[Traf]

53 minutes ago, DazBob said:

My concern is that when the lockdown is relaxed and, for example, we are told we can go to the park or the beach but to mindful of social distancing, you can bet they'll all be absolutely rammed.

People will then become infected and lay the blame at the feet of Boris for telling them they could go to the park and the beach.

The general public cannot be trusted not to be dicks.

Exactly where I'm at.

Today's newspaper headlines didn't help.

[Zico]

31 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Economies do recover. I was talking to someone today at work and they had seen something from a reputable source (didn’t specify) that best guess is this will take 10 years minimum to recover from and by the time this is finished there will be hundreds of thousands of job losses. People will lose their homes because of this. Because mark my words the banks will just protect themselves. 
imagine if that was you would you be saying economies recover then?

My point was there's no recovery for those who die

And we're leading the way on that front

I've been hit by this, no mistake, I've lost work, my monty revenue is down 50%, some clients may not be back

But I'd rather wait and ease back in his gradually than rush it, as i think it'll be even worse to do that, both for lives and the economy

I'd love nothing more than to have businesses open and my daughter back in nursery next week so my business can recover

However not if it means we do this all over again in June

[Escobarp]

9 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I know nothing about economics, but is there a possibility we might be able to wheather the storm in a way that we wouldn't normally be able to with a regular recession?

As in, this time everything has come to an abrupt halt rather than companies going bust, people losing their jobs because of a specific economic downturn.

We are in the midst of an economic downturn. Companies have started to go bust and it’s only in a Lot of cases when they actually reopen that they will know what damage has been done. 
 

To put it into context think of the global financial crash that we had and multiply the effects of that by any unknown multiple and you will start to get the idea of just how bad this actually is and each day that passes it’s getting worse.

not wanting to be doom and gloom but I don’t think people have any handle on how bad this actually is. The stone hasn’t even landed on the water yet so to speak so the splash and ripples haven’t even started. 

[Escobarp]

4 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

My point was there's no recovery for those who die

And we're leading the way on that front

I've been hit by this, no mistake, I've lost work, my monty revenue is down 50%, some clients may not be back

But I'd rather wait and ease back in his gradually than rush it, as i think it'll be even worse to do that, both for lives and the economy

I'd love nothing more than to have businesses open and my daughter back in nursery next week so my business can recover

However not if it means we do this all over again in June

We have as I see it two choices. 
 

1) we stay as we are Until a vaccine is available and in doing so several folk on this very board (by way of an example of scale of impact no more than that) will lose their jobs and I would imagine a few their houses. 
 

2) we ease back and as we do so we do so in the knowledge that people are going to die as a result but we protect the economy a bit more and less of us lose our jobs and maybe none of us lose our homes. 
 

option 3 is lift it but that’s not really feasible 

 

and for added context think of what happens when the well insulated well padded safety jacket the government have put round us all is taken off. This is softening people’s expectations on just how bad this actually is. I can’t stress just how bad this really is words escape me. I’m depressing myself thinking About it!!

Edited May 7, 2020 by Escobarp

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

3 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

We are in the midst of an economic downturn. Companies have started to go bust and it’s only in a Lot of cases when they actually reopen that they will know what damage has been done. 
 

To put it into context think of the global financial crash that we had and multiply the effects of that by any unknown multiple and you will start to get the idea of just how bad this actually is and each day that passes it’s getting worse.

not wanting to be doom and gloom but I don’t think people have any handle on how bad this actually is. The stone hasn’t even landed on the water yet so to speak so the splash and ripples haven’t even started. 

Fair enough. I know we're on an economic downturn but I just wondered if the unique circumstance we find ourselves in might offer an advantage compared to other recessions (the furlough scheme ensuring people temporarily stay employed, the government offering loan garauntees, etc.). Unfortunately, It sounds like it's the opposite, though. And in a unprecedented way. Difficult times ahead.