Coronavirus

[peelyfeet]

4 minutes ago, Casino said:

You wouldnt get a test if you were pre symptomatic

some clusters, with known outbreaks, like on the cruisers, have tested everyone to see the asymptomatic numbers, not been done enough on a wide scale to get accurate results yet, because the clusters usually have unique circumstances - mainly people living at close quarters with large outbreaks

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

5 minutes ago, Casino said:

You wouldnt get a test if you were pre symptomatic

I just meant generally. There were reports of people on cruise ships being tested, with so many being asymptomatic etc.

[Casino]

Fair enough

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Furlough scheme extended to October.

[Sweep]

1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Furlough scheme extended to October.

still at 80%?

[peelyfeet]

3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Furlough scheme extended to October.

at 60% - ignore that think its 80% but some of the money to come from businesses??

Edited May 12, 2020 by peelyfeet

[radcliffe white]

1 minute ago, peelyfeet said:

at 60%

End of July as it is then 60%

[Escobarp]

That will be most folk clamouring to get back to work now 

as an aside we “incentivised” our franchises to get staff back 2 weeks ago. we are effectively paying the wages of the sales force for them for a period. Worked a treat unsurprisingly and I’ve spoken to a large number this week who have returned to work. 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Escobarp

[peelyfeet]

1 minute ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

End of July as it is then 60%

Workers will continue to receive the same level of support, at 80 per cent of their current salary. However he implies that some of this will come from businesses themselves.  Further details by the end of the month - part-time furloughing included

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

3 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

at 60% - ignore that think its 80% but some of the money to come from businesses??

It seems to be something like that.

 

Just now, peelyfeet said:

Workers will continue to receive the same level of support, at 80 per cent of their current salary. However he implies that some of this will come from businesses themselves.  Further details by the end of the month - part-time furloughing included

7.3 million jobs have been furloughed to date, apparently.

[Rudy]

43 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

looks like it - shit loads more deaths in care homes again - 20k more than normal so far in eng and wales alone

Why is there such a discrepancy?

[Not in Crawley]

Well, that's great news - 80% until October with flexibility to go back part time. That's a huge help for us. Could kiss the fella - hats doffed.

[jules_darby]

Extended furlough is bad news for me in the main. Kicking the can down the road and not encouraging business to get up and running.

Doesn’t bode well for any short term societal comeback either

IMO it should be contained to certain industries at the very least 

[Escobarp]

How many companies when asked to stump up a contribution towards furlough are just going to say nah we will just let the staff go? 
 

I read Rishis comments about “asking” companies to contribute is more like a “you will contribute” Anyone disagree?

after saying they couldn’t maintain the 80% I suspect it will be a 20% contribution required from the employer? But how many just won’t have that cash?

[radcliffe white]

Yes for some sectors just get your your head it runs out end of July 

 

[Escobarp]

KPMG saying if furlough ended 1.2m would move from furlough to redundancy by their estimates. As such the government had no choice but to do what they’ve done really 

we better hope the economy gets going again by October or the problem could be huge 

[ProfessorWoland]

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

By far the worst decision of the whole crisis and will have led to mass spreading of infection. But on the flip side why would you actually have gone in the first place?  

You like gambling?

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, ProfessorWoland said:

You like gambling?

Like a bet on a weekend but what’s that got to do with this? They could have done that from home without going 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Escobarp

[Tombwfc]

Credit where its due, there will be a lot of people sleeping a lot easier after that. 

Even if your business can't afford/doesn't want to contribute 20% post-July, that's still two and a half months away. And hopefully most things will be up and running again by then.

Airlines and pubs/clubs/restaurants where social distancing and reduced capacity render them unviable are going to require a separate solution I think.

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

By far the worst decision of the whole crisis and will have led to mass spreading of infection. But on the flip side why would you actually have gone in the first place?  But that decision should have been taken away 

I think we have to remember what people knew at the time. There were plenty on here yourself included saying they were planning to go the pub right up to Boris announcing they were closing the week after. On the Friday of Cheltenham I was out drinking all day on a Uni reunion no one dropped out because of the virus. But there was a lot of chat that people were having second thoughts. Week before sat in pub we were discussing why there was such a fuss about the virus. 
 

As Cheltenham was not cancelled people would lose out on travel costs hotel costs and ticket money. 

[Spider]

Full marks to the government on this.

They could do with getting their shit together on the death numbers though.

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

I think we have to remember what people knew at the time. There were plenty on here yourself included saying they were planning to go the pub right up to Boris announcing they were closing the week after. On the Friday of Cheltenham I was out drinking all day on a Uni reunion no one dropped out because of the virus. But there was a lot of chat that people were having second thoughts. Week before sat in pub we were discussing why there was such a fuss about the virus. 
 

As Cheltenham was not cancelled people would lose out on travel costs hotel costs and ticket money. 

You have a real issue with me eh 😂 I was going to the Pub to sit on my Own a proverbial mile from the next person. As I always do when I go to my local unless the missus comes with me. Slightly different than a day at cheltenham festival but if it makes you happy then yes it’s exactly the same. 

I get people would’ve lost money. I’ve been to cheltenham 4 times. This year i would have lost the money if It had been on as I would have chosen not to go.  Its that decision should never have had to been made. It should have been taken away from folk and the event stopped. 

[Casino]

49 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

How many companies when asked to stump up a contribution towards furlough are just going to say nah we will just let the staff go? 
 

I read Rishis comments about “asking” companies to contribute is more like a “you will contribute” Anyone disagree?

after saying they couldn’t maintain the 80% I suspect it will be a 20% contribution required from the employer? But how many just won’t have that cash?

without a lot of thought, companies keep people on furlough, but get all the workforce in for a day a week, instead of 20% of the workforce in full time

 

im thinking theres opportunities for 'creative' employers here, but my mental number game might need re calibrating

[Ani]

20 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

You have a real issue with me eh 😂 I was going to the Pub to sit on my Own a proverbial mile from the next person. As I always do when I go to my local unless the missus comes with me. Slightly different than a day at cheltenham festival but if it makes you happy then yes it’s exactly the same. 

I get people would’ve lost money. I’ve been to cheltenham 4 times. This year i would have lost the money if It had been on as I would have chosen not to go.  Its that decision should never have had to been made. It should have been taken away from folk and the event stopped. 

??? Not sure why your reply has gone that way. Maybe paranoia ? 
You asked why folk went to Cheltenham I simply pointed out that people’s grasp of the situation changed quickly in the week or so beforehand. I used my lack of understanding of the situation as the example on the Friday of Cheltenham I was in a private room of a pub with approx 150 blokes getting drunk and ended up in a casino. I could have dropped out of that do the day before at no cost. 
I mentioned your intention to the pub the week which you decided against as your appreciation of the situation evolved
Not sure how a factual response to a post is having ‘ a real issue’ with you. 

[Escobarp]

Just now, Casino said:

without a lot of thought, companies keep people on furlough, but get all the workforce in for a day a week, instead of 20% of the workforce in full time

 

im thinking theres opportunities for 'creative' employers here, but my mental number game might need re calibrating

Yes I get your drift and whilst not doing the maths myself I can see that working in some cases and appears quite creative. Although does the government have a method of reducing the amount they pay if they are back part time? So if you have them in one day a week the govt reduce to 48% or 4/5 Of that they will pay in old money? That would seem sensible ?