Coronavirus

[peelyfeet]

7 hours ago, Mr Grey said:

Aren't they all, some of it seems viable and its certainly worth the read. There's probsbly more like him tbh.

What gets me, is that every country seems to have had a different reaction and action plan to CV, some fare better than others, but it does seem true that nobody really knows what they are truly doing, but merely all trying to fathom out what the best course of action is. Although it does look like CV is slowing down.

At first I thought because the UK was an island, we wouldn't suffer CV as much, obviously shows what i know. 

I'm always suspicious of those who present scientific arguments if they are also politically overt, regardless of what they believe in.I like my politics from politicians and science from scientists. Not saying he might not be right, just makes me suspicious.

[Escobarp]

8 hours ago, Tombwfc said:

 

You can't think it's that bizarre? It's the exact mirror image of what your doing. Surely anyone piling in on Sturgeon for supposed mistakes at this stage is a screeching bedwetter only out to score political points?

Add it to the enormous pile of evidence that says the UK not locking down sooner was a massive fuck up.

I’ve agreed we should have locked down sooner many many weeks ago now. 
 

sturgeon has covered up an outbreak in the capital city of the country I live in.  I think that deserves highlighting 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Escobarp

[wiggy]

9 hours ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Both Whitty & Vallance said the risks kids have of catching it are very very slim 

 

This is not what they said in the press conference last night. When asked about children they both said that there is some unsubstantiated evidence that child might be slightly less likely to catch it, slightly less likely to be affected by it and slightly less likely to pass it on. 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

2 minutes ago, wiggy said:

This is not what they said in the press conference last night. When asked about children they both said that there is some unsubstantiated evidence that child might be slightly less likely to catch it, slightly less likely to be affected by it and slightly less likely to pass it on. 

 

Be better if they just said “we don’t know”

[Farrelli]

31 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I’ve agreed we should have locked down sooner many many weeks ago now. 
 

sturgeon has covered up an outbreak in the capital city of the country I live in.  I think that deserves highlighting 

From what I've read I don't think the report highlights any cover up, just that the lockdown should have been sooner and mass gatherings banned sooner. 

This is the same across the UK and it remains to be seen how many deaths could have been avoided by stopping Cheltenham going ahead.  As I said in my earlier mail, people were dieing in London hospitals of Covid 19 in early/mid March but the governement did not lockdown until 23rd March. That was too late and negligent IMO. 

[Escobarp]

6 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

From what I've read I don't think the report highlights any cover up, just that the lockdown should have been sooner and mass gatherings banned sooner. 

This is the same across the UK and it remains to be seen how many deaths could have been avoided by stopping Cheltenham going ahead.  As I said in my earlier mail, people were dieing in London hospitals of Covid 19 in early/mid March but the governement did not lockdown until 23rd March. That was too late and negligent IMO. 

But the key difference is we knew that people have contracted the virus in London. Nobody hid that fact. There would have been uproar if they had. 
 

the Scottish government have admitted they knew there was an outbreak in Edinburgh in February yet this was not revealed to anybody. It is only now being revealed because it has been uncovered. That to me is a cover up. 

 it’s quite simple really 

watch the tv programme on it 
 

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Escobarp

[Farrelli]

6 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

But the key difference is we knew that people have contracted the virus in London. Nobody hid that fact. There would have been uproar if they had. 
 

the Scottish government have admitted they knew there was an outbreak in Edinburgh in February yet this was not revealed to anybody. It is only now being revealed because it has been uncovered. That to me is a cover up. 

 it’s quite simple really 

watch the tv programme on it 
 

 

The brief BBC report I read said the medical people knew and it wasn't publicly announced.  There could be many reasons for that but I will watch it later and see.

[ProfessorWoland]

10 hours ago, jules_darby said:

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/we-know-everything-and-nothing/

https://unherd.com/thepost/nobel-prize-winning-scientist-the-covid-19-epidemic-was-never-exponential/

On the interview with Levitt, there was an Israeli making a similar point a couple  of weeks ago.

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/04/24/israeli-professor-says-coronavirus-covid-19-has-a-life-of-about-70-days-then-disappears/

If Levitt or Ridley are right this is an 'emperors new clothes' of massive proportions, but to me it seems pending widespread serological testing all of this is speculation. 

I'm curious about how Africa and the sub continent have seemingly been spared a severe attack, at least so far. 

Heat must be one factor, this thing races through meat packing plants but it's not properly taken hold in anywhere very hot as far as I can tell?

also,if obesity is such a key factor, is this one occasion when the developed western world gets the short end of the stick? The western diet, especially that followed by US and UK looks like it may be leaving us especially vulnerable to covid19

[bolty58]

Making political capital out of a tragedy still alive and well I see. The ever reliable left.

We haven't had a new case down here for a fortnight or so and then one pops up today at a hotel being used for 14 day isolations. A member of staff looking after the detainees.

Not affected my business or the one's we supply to but I can advise that a local manufacturer of bra's has gone bust; a submarine company has gone under; a manufacturer of food blenders has gone into liquidation; local kennels have had to call in the retriever; a company manufacturing papers for origami enthusiasts has folded; the local strip club has gone tits up; Interflora is pruning its business and Dyno Rod has gone down the drain. I didn't have the heart to trot out the one about the ice cream man topping himself. You should be all groaned out by now.

[radcliffe white]

57 minutes ago, wiggy said:

This is not what they said in the press conference last night. When asked about children they both said that there is some unsubstantiated evidence that child might be slightly less likely to catch it, slightly less likely to be affected by it and slightly less likely to pass it on. 

 

I worded it wrong 

Just watched it again he said very low 

[jules_darby]

25 minutes ago, ProfessorWoland said:

On the interview with Levitt, there was an Israeli making a similar point a couple  of weeks ago.

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/04/24/israeli-professor-says-coronavirus-covid-19-has-a-life-of-about-70-days-then-disappears/

If Levitt or Ridley are right this is an 'emperors new clothes' of massive proportions, but to me it seems pending widespread serological testing all of this is speculation. 

I'm curious about how Africa and the sub continent have seemingly been spared a severe attack, at least so far. 

Heat must be one factor, this thing races through meat packing plants but it's not properly taken hold in anywhere very hot as far as I can tell?

also,if obesity is such a key factor, is this one occasion when the developed western world gets the short end of the stick? The western diet, especially that followed by US and UK looks like it may be leaving us especially vulnerable to covid19

There’s so many questions and we simply just don’t seem to know enough about it yet, which feels crazy

[Ani]

24 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Making political capital out of a tragedy still alive and well I see. The ever reliable left.

We haven't had a new case down here for a fortnight or so and then one pops up today at a hotel being used for 14 day isolations. A member of staff looking after the detainees.

Not affected my business or the one's we supply to but I can advise that a local manufacturer of bra's has gone bust; a submarine company has gone under; a manufacturer of food blenders has gone into liquidation; local kennels have had to call in the retriever; a company manufacturing papers for origami enthusiasts has folded; the local strip club has gone tits up; Interflora is pruning its business and Dyno Rod has gone down the drain. I didn't have the heart to trot out the one about the ice cream man topping himself. You should be all groaned out by now.

Not sure if you saw Starmer in HoC yesterday. Thought he was spot on. Totally acknowledged how tough this all was but raised areas of concern and contradiction in what Boris said and the briefing document. 
Corbyn also asked a question which was pretty much rhetoric and point scoring. 

[ProfessorWoland]

13 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

There’s so many questions and we simply just don’t seem to know enough about it yet, which feels crazy

I don't see anything about widespread antigen testing which would start to answer some questions about how many people have had it, what level of immunity the hardest hit places may have etc. It must be underway, unless there's still not a reliable test?

We need to know though if that Imperial model stacks up or not and if exponential spread could/would/ happen again as we come out of lockdown.  They forecast a second wave (orange line page 10) https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf in the winter, when we are naturally more indoors, our vitamin D level is depleted, seasonal flu returns as do university students home etc etc. 

I'm not interested in blaming anyone or moaning about someone taking a potential threat seriously. Faced with that apocalyptic scenario who wouldn't? 

 

10 minutes ago, Ani said:

Not sure if you saw Starmer in HoC yesterday. Thought he was spot on. Totally acknowledged how tough this all was but raised areas of concern and contradiction in what Boris said and the briefing document. 
Corbyn also asked a question which was pretty much rhetoric and point scoring. 

He'll be a tough opponent for Johnson who likes to bluster his way through an argument and doesn't seem overly bothered with details. 

 

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by ProfessorWoland

[ErnestTurnip]

22 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Just watched it again he said very low 

He doesn't know if it's low any more than he knows if it's high, he just doesn't know.

He can't say that though because if he wants to get any kids back into schools he has to say it's low.

The review of the current research is here, there are conflicting studies and no clear evidence:

https://www.rcpch.ac.uk/resources/covid-19-research-evidence-summaries

Edited May 12, 2020 by ErnestTurnip

[Spider]

The antibody tests.

Where the fuck are they?

Surely they should be front and centre in the race to get the world working again?

No tin foil hat, but is there something about the virus we aren’t being told that is preventing these tests from being sorted? ie. does it mutate too quickly for a reliable test to be produced?

I’m dense when it comes to chemistry, so any enlightened responses welcomed.

[radcliffe white]

2 minutes ago, ErnestTurnip said:

He doesn't know if it's low any more than he knows if it's high, he just doesn't know.

He can't say that though because if he wants to get any kids back into schools he has to say it's low.

The review of the current research is here, there are conflicting studies and no clear evidence:

https://www.rcpch.ac.uk/resources/covid-19-research-evidence-summaries

Course they have to be careful what they say 

read that yesterday definitely no clear evidence like you say 

let’s see how the next few weeks play out regarding if schools can meet the requirements set out 

[ProfessorWoland]

Thankfully the young are almost completely spared, but only 'almost':

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/doctors-keep-discovering-new-ways-the-coronavirus-attacks-the-body/ar-BB13SoPn?li=BBnbfcL

 

Quote

It mostly spares the young. Until it doesn’t: Last week, doctors warned of a rare inflammatory reaction with cardiac complications among children that may be connected to the virus. On Friday, New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D) announced 73 children had fallen severely ill in the state and a 5-year-old boy in New York City had become the first child to die of the syndrome. Two more children had succumbed as of Saturday.

That news has shaken many doctors, who felt they were finally grasping the full dimensions of the disease in adults. “We were all thinking this is a disease that kills old people, not kids,” Reich said.

Mount Sinai has treated five children with the condition. Reich said each started with gastrointestinal symptoms, which turned into inflammatory complications that caused very low blood pressure and expanded their blood vessels. This led to heart failure in the case of the first child who died.

“The pattern of disease was different than anything else with covid,” he said.

Some younger and middle aged patients are having multiple strokes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/

[peelyfeet]

19 minutes ago, Spider said:

The antibody tests.

Where the fuck are they?

Surely they should be front and centre in the race to get the world working again?

No tin foil hat, but is there something about the virus we aren’t being told that is preventing these tests from being sorted? ie. does it mutate too quickly for a reliable test to be produced?

I’m dense when it comes to chemistry, so any enlightened responses welcomed.

The problem is, it's very difficult to distinguish a positive test for Covid from the other corona viruses, that we get all the time. A lot of the early tests were reading positive for people that had a cold.

I'll have a read up on the Roche one, see where we are, it was supposed to be being tested last week by PHE

[Spider]

14 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

The problem is, it's very difficult to distinguish a positive test for Covid from the other corona viruses, that we get all the time. A lot of the early tests were reading positive for people that had a cold.

I'll have a read up on the Roche one, see where we are, it was supposed to be being tested last week by PHE

That’s the game changer.

We put men on the moon with pencils and rulers, and nowadays we can land nuclear warheads on someone’s head from an iPhone, surely we can suss this.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Spider

[only1swanny]

42 minutes ago, Spider said:

The antibody tests.

Where the fuck are they?

Surely they should be front and centre in the race to get the world working again?

No tin foil hat, but is there something about the virus we aren’t being told that is preventing these tests from being sorted? ie. does it mutate too quickly for a reliable test to be produced?

I’m dense when it comes to chemistry, so any enlightened responses welcomed.

You can buy a test kit for 89 quid..so they are around, 

The tinfoil hat in me thinks that the Government are wanting herd immunity but don't want to admit it. Because people are being lax, we will end up with another spike IMO. 

 

[Spider]

1 minute ago, only1swanny said:

You can buy a test kit for 89 quid..so they are around, 

The tinfoil hat in me thinks that the Government are wanting herd immunity but don't want to admit it. Because people are being lax, we will end up with another spike IMO. 

 

An antibody test that tells you if you’ve had it? Or just a test to tell you you’ve got it?

Theyre different tests.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Spider

[only1swanny]

the antibody sorry

 

[Zico]

8 minutes ago, Spider said:

An antibody test that tells you if you’ve had it? Or just a test to tell you you’ve got it?

Theyre different tests.

I mentioned this site before, and I'm going to be working on it soon:

https://webmedpharmacy.co.uk/

they sell test kits and it's all legit:

https://webmedpharmacy.co.uk/buy/covid19testkit

the guy there said to me:

We have just introduced both the COVID-19 Swab test (to detect a current active infection) and a Blood Antibodies test (to detect if you have had the infection) from our Government and PHE approved test house.

So not sure why he's able to develop and test one, approved by the government, but the Government haven't mentioned they have been developed, maybe I should ask him

[Escobarp]

14 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

I mentioned this site before, and I'm going to be working on it soon:

https://webmedpharmacy.co.uk/

they sell test kits and it's all legit:

https://webmedpharmacy.co.uk/buy/covid19testkit

the guy there said to me:

We have just introduced both the COVID-19 Swab test (to detect a current active infection) and a Blood Antibodies test (to detect if you have had the infection) from our Government and PHE approved test house.

So not sure why he's able to develop and test one, approved by the government, but the Government haven't mentioned they have been developed, maybe I should ask him

Does that not say where it was tested was a government approved facility. Not that the test itself has been approved?

[Spider]

27 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

I mentioned this site before, and I'm going to be working on it soon:

https://webmedpharmacy.co.uk/

they sell test kits and it's all legit:

https://webmedpharmacy.co.uk/buy/covid19testkit

the guy there said to me:

We have just introduced both the COVID-19 Swab test (to detect a current active infection) and a Blood Antibodies test (to detect if you have had the infection) from our Government and PHE approved test house.

So not sure why he's able to develop and test one, approved by the government, but the Government haven't mentioned they have been developed, maybe I should ask him

If these are available, and are 100% reliable, and the government are ignoring it, then they should all be thrown in the sea, staring with Boris.

Am I missing something?

Edited May 12, 2020 by Spider