Coronavirus

[Escobarp]

8 minutes ago, Ani said:

??? Not sure why your reply has gone that way. Maybe paranoia ? 
You asked why folk went to Cheltenham I simply pointed out that people’s grasp of the situation changed quickly in the week or so beforehand. I used my lack of understanding of the situation as the example on the Friday of Cheltenham I was in a private room of a pub with approx 150 blokes getting drunk and ended up in a casino. I could have dropped out of that do the day before at no cost. 
I mentioned your intention to the pub the week which you decided against as your appreciation of the situation evolved
Not sure how a factual response to a post is having ‘ a real issue’ with you. 

Maybe I took it the wrong way apologies if so 

[Spider]

Tell you what

Facebook doesn’t half go quiet when furlough is mentioned.

Lot less calling the government cunts when they’re giving out the cash.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, Spider said:

Ok

Talk to me like an infant.

Tests are available that confirm you’ve had Covid-19?

Is that correct?

My dad's bigger than yours!

[stevieb]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

Tell you what

Facebook doesn’t half go quiet when furlough is mentioned.

Lot less calling the government cunts when they’re giving out the cash.

Nailed it. 

They all understand the free money. Can't grasp how they can go outside to spend it like. 

[Ani]

7 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Maybe I took it the wrong way apologies if so 

No worries. 

[Roger_Dubuis]

15 minutes ago, Spider said:

Tell you what

Facebook doesn’t half go quiet when furlough is mentioned.

Lot less calling the government cunts when they’re giving out the cash.

Is Bolton Diver not slagging Rishi off

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, Tombwfc said:

Credit where its due, there will be a lot of people sleeping a lot easier after that. 

Even if your business can't afford/doesn't want to contribute 20% post-July, that's still two and a half months away. And hopefully most things will be up and running again by then.

Airlines and pubs/clubs/restaurants where social distancing and reduced capacity render them unviable are going to require a separate solution I think.

Yes agree.  I've been critical of many things they have done but this is good news.

Thank god they found Theresa May's magic money tree🤪

[mickbrown]

As well as Cheltenham going ahead, there was going to be a full programme of football across the country.

Took Arteta getting ill and the FA pulling it, not the Government.

Despite what they say now, I think they were still balls deep in herd immunity at that point.

[Zico]

6 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

As well as Cheltenham going ahead, there was going to be a full programme of football across the country.

Took Arteta getting ill and the FA pulling it, not the Government.

Despite what they say now, I think they were still balls deep in herd immunity at that point.

And to think we were spared by some dodgy formula

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, Tombwfc said:

Credit where its due, there will be a lot of people sleeping a lot easier after that. 

Even if your business can't afford/doesn't want to contribute 20% post-July, that's still two and a half months away. And hopefully most things will be up and running again by then.

Airlines and pubs/clubs/restaurants where social distancing and reduced capacity render them unviable are going to require a separate solution I think.

Don't forget live music and theatre! But if we can get going by early spring, that's us back in work in autumn hopefully as that when the first round of marketing will need to be done

[peelyfeet]

2 hours ago, Rudy’s Message said:

Why is there such a discrepancy?

Because they weren't testing in care homes for ages, the suspicion is there's thousands extra dead in the care homes,  either directly or indirectly from covid, but without covid on the death certificate. The 50k figure is for 11 days ago - the modelling thinks we are at 60K today.

They've been saying for a while now, in the press conference,  that the true measure is excess deaths over time. The good news is it's still on the way down everywhere, and will be for the next months worth of figures (up till end of May).

https://www.ft.com/content/40fc8904-febf-4a66-8d1c-ea3e48bbc034    

[Casino]

And care homes have a very high percentage of old frail folk, many of whom cant/wont distance

[Mounts Kipper]

8 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Because they weren't testing in care homes for ages, the suspicion is there's thousands extra dead in the care homes,  either directly or indirectly from covid, but without covid on the death certificate. The 50k figure is for 11 days ago - the modelling thinks we are at 60K today.

They've been saying for a while now, in the press conference,  that the true measure is excess deaths over time. The good news is it's still on the way down everywhere, and will be for the next months worth of figures (up till end of May).

https://www.ft.com/content/40fc8904-febf-4a66-8d1c-ea3e48bbc034    

Didn’t help sending Covid patients back into care homes from hospital, this was to free up icu beds in case younger folk needed them,  for me this is the most distressing part and the most disappointing decision the government have made.  

Edited May 12, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[Casino]

Disappointing?

We would always prioritise the young over the old, all other things being equal

They felt the nhs was going to be over run

They had no option

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Didn’t help sending Covid patients back into care homes from hospital, this was to free up icu beds in case younger folk needed them,  for me this is the most distressing part and the most disappointing decision the government have made.  

That's just utterly insane

[peelyfeet]

6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Didn’t help sending Covid patients back into care homes from hospital, this was to free up icu beds in case younger folk needed them,  for me this is the most distressing part and the most disappointing decision the government have made.  

True, there's loads of countries that haven't been able to protect the care homes well, Sweden are having difficulty too - looks like focus was on the hospitals when it should have been care homes and hospitals. Like every thing with this virus, make the wrong decision and you pay for it for a month or so down the line - its a proper bastard

I've got an Auntie with dementia in one in Birmingham, very scary stuff.   

Edited May 12, 2020 by peelyfeet

[Casino]

1 minute ago, Sweep said:

That's just utterly insane

Its a decision that has to be made

If there was somewhere in between, a half way house between care home and hospital, but im not sure there is?

[ProfessorWoland]

Just now, Casino said:

Disappointing?

We would always prioritise the young over the old, all other things being equal

They felt the nhs was going to be over run

They had no option

No option? Not convinced of that. 

They're currently making some hospitals Covid centres and freeing others to treat none covid patients. A similar approach with folk released from hospitals could've kept the virus away from the most vulnerable. Maybe paying some of the staff to isolate with the residents and looking after their own dependents for them where required. Would cost buttons compared to some of the money thats been spent. 

We're not the only country to have failed to protect our elderly but if we were doing this again do you really think we couldn't have come up with a better solution?

[Casino]

1 minute ago, peelyfeet said:

True, there's loads of countries that haven't been able to protect the care homes well, Sweden are having difficulty too - looks like focus was on the hospitals when it should have been care homes and hospitals. With every thing with this virus, make the wrong decision and you pay for it for a month or so down the line - its a proper bastard

I've got an Auntie with dementia in one in Birmingham, very scary stuff.   

Im happy to criticise, i just dont see the resources were available

 

[Mounts Kipper]

3 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

True, there's loads of countries that haven't been able to protect the care homes well, Sweden are having difficulty too - looks like focus was on the hospitals when it should have been care homes and hospitals. Like every thing with this virus, make the wrong decision and you pay for it for a month or so down the line - its a proper bastard

I've got an Auntie with dementia in one in Birmingham, very scary stuff.   

My Aunty Passed away last night, same with dementia, don’t know if it was Covid yet, she left the care home feeling poorly last night and was dead within the hour. At 91 and with Dementia perhaps it’s for the best. 

[Ruba Mustafa]

So, 

 

Scotland, Ireland and Wales have to stay at home?

Its just like the World Cup! 

[ProfessorWoland]

2 hours ago, Escobarp said:

Like a bet on a weekend but what’s that got to do with this? They could have done that from home without going 

Was slightly facetiously in response to this question you posed re Cheltenham:

 

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why would you actually have gone in the first place?  

I think there's some truth to it though, a lot of the people there would be natural risk takers and no-one ever thinks it will happen to them until it does. 

 

 

[Casino]

Just now, ProfessorWoland said:

No option? Not convinced of that. 

They're currently making some hospitals Covid centres and freeing others to treat none covid patients. A similar approach with folk released from hospitals could've kept the virus away from the most vulnerable. Maybe paying some of the staff to isolate with the residents and looking after their own dependents for them where required. Would cost buttons compared to some of the money thats been spent. 

We're not the only country to have failed to protect our elderly but if we were doing this again do you really think we couldn't have come up with a better solution?

Maybe now we could

Weeks back, no, i dont they could

If theyd filled up the hosptals with old folks with low chances of survival while young uns were dying due to the lack of a bed, i wouldve said they got it wrong

Everything we did was to reduce the numbers needing hospital care

Otherwise, what was the point

[peelyfeet]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

My Aunty Passed away last night, same with dementia, don’t know if it was Covid yet, she left the care home feeling poorly last night and was dead within the hour. At 91 and with Dementia perhaps it’s for the best. 

commiserations pal, maybe for the best.

[Casino]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

At 91 and with Dementia perhaps it’s for the best. 

My dad was 80 plus when he died from effects of dementia, a returning cancer, sepsis and pneumonia

Id have preferred a painless covid death for him six months earlier, so i agree with you