Coronavirus

[Spider]

18 minutes ago, Casino said:

Seriously now, put party politics aside

If that's true, there's blatant thieving going on

You’re just being unpatriotic 

[Guest]

[Guest]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/school-closures-a-mistake-as-no-teachers-infected-in-classroom-gpppq8r7k

[ErnestTurnip]

Can't read the full article because of the paywall but when we weren't testing people for Covid but they had it how could they then trace the source of the infection?

 

[mickbrown]

10 hours ago, Spider said:

You’re just being unpatriotic 

And not optimistic enough

[Burndens Bogs]

3 hours ago, boltondiver said:

It’s the new cases we need to watch at the moment. If new cases in the UK start to rise sharply again, then our death rates will more than likely rise again 4-6 weeks later.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

11 hours ago, Casino said:

Seriously now, put party politics aside

If that's true, there's blatant thieving going on

An mp yesterday asking about what fraud protection is/was undertaken over companies offering ppe. 

Hopefully, police will be given access to dodgy cases to follow the money to the thieving bastards.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Isolation period for anyone with a positive test or symptoms extended to 10 days from 7.

[Sweep]

11 hours ago, Casino said:

Read the lot if you will. But 33 onwards

 

It'll soon come out that the above stuff is just the tip of the iceberg, there are a lot of "smaller" pieces of business that have been placed and paid for, and the orders have either not been delivered or cancelled by the Governent, and the companies told to keep the money. I've personally, been involved in one bit of business where my customer was paid £6KK up front, they then secured all the raw materials (one part of the electronics via myself) and then were told by the Government, they no longer wanted/needed the products. All invoices were paid "cash up front" so obviously they got absolutely nothing back.

One of my colleagues has been involved in PPE stuff, and he said some of the information he's receiving is frightening with regards to what is going on with PPE contracts. The obvious one being the purchase of loads of PPE stuff from a t-shirt company in Turkey, that turned out to be shit. We thought we'd get a refund on that....guess what, we didn't, and won't be getting one, even though at the time it was stated we would/could return the products

[Tonge moor green jacket]

stuff like that is understandable if somewhat frivolous. Good that the companies were paid, especially if they've bought materials in.

Concern is over supposed fraudulent cases where suppliers weren't who they were supposed to be and have possibly fucked off with he lolly.

Edited July 30, 2020 by Tonge moor green jacket

[Casino]

I'm taking yon mon at face value, which is why I'll always say if

But if those are true, who in their right mind would be placing orders of that size with businesses like that

Surely you do some background checks

Just stinks of dodginess to me

Follow the money

Edited July 30, 2020 by Casino

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

stuff like that is understandable if somewhat frivolous. Good that the companies were paid, especially if they've bought materials in.

Concern is over supposed fraudulent cases where suppliers weren't who they were supposed to be and have possibly fucked off with he lolly.

Correct, I find that when dealing with any company, it's most prudent to do a full company and credit check, and on occasion make sure we get trade references as well. It's strange to think that the Government, who are responsible for spending public money don't work to the same sort of basic business rules

 

The 4 PPE companies listed above, if the info is true, then that's £0.6B that we've spaffed up the wall for no return  - whilst in the grand scheme of things it's fuck all, it's still a lot of money to give away 

[Mounts Kipper]

Pleased I took the decision not to get involved with PPE loads of folk with no experience of buying these products will of been bitten buy unscrupulous suppliers. Stick to what you know is my motto. 

[Ani]

ONS reporting UK had highest excess deaths in Europe over last few months. 
 

[Zico]

4 minutes ago, Ani said:

ONS reporting UK had highest excess deaths in Europe over last few months. 
 

now is not the time

from what I heard on the news, we have had most excess deaths

though places like Lombardy had a very high death rate of something like 9.5, but they managed to lockdown and isolate and keep it all regionalised

the death rates in london were something like 4.5, but we had it more widespread across the country, so places like Birmingham also had around 4.5 etc - in other words, it sounds to me like we didn't get hit as bad as Italy intitally did, but, we didn't do much to stem the spread, and we've already started to ease whilst having relatively higher deaths per day to the rest of Europe

time to move on

let's see what Winter brings

[Spider]

Can you stop crowing so triumphantly at our numbers and making it sound like some kind of macabre victory over the naysayers?

Your patriotism is required, along with unwavering loyalty and backing.

[birch-chorley]

9 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

now is not the time

from what I heard on the news, we have had most excess deaths

though places like Lombardy had a very high death rate of something like 9.5, but they managed to lockdown and isolate and keep it all regionalised

the death rates in london were something like 4.5, but we had it more widespread across the country, so places like Birmingham also had around 4.5 etc - in other words, it sounds to me like we didn't get hit as bad as Italy intitally did, but, we didn't do much to stem the spread, and we've already started to ease whilst having relatively higher deaths per day to the rest of Europe

time to move on

let's see what Winter brings

Our initial strategy was herd immunity 

Stemming the spread would have gone against that 

[Zico]

8 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Our initial strategy was herd immunity 

Stemming the spread would have gone against that 

didn't that last all of about 3 days?

dunno - remember Matt Hancock saying it was never the plan, but we did fuck around allowing mass gatherings to go ahead before that study showed herd immunity would leave us fucked

it is what it is

[stevieb]

5 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

didn't that last all of about 3 days?

dunno - remember Matt Hancock saying it was never the plan, but we did fuck around allowing mass gatherings to go ahead before that study showed herd immunity would leave us fucked

it is what it is

On paper it lasted about 3 days but I still reckon off the record we've been still going for it. 

The fact our lockdown was soft from day one suggests this. 

[Sweep]

28 minutes ago, Spider said:

Can you stop crowing so triumphantly at our numbers and making it sound like some kind of macabre victory over the naysayers?

Your patriotism is required, along with unwavering loyalty and backing.

Do we need a stiff upper lip as well, and introduce Wiff-Waff and Spitfires into conversation as well?

[Zico]

8 minutes ago, stevieb said:

On paper it lasted about 3 days but I still reckon off the record we've been still going for it. 

The fact our lockdown was soft from day one suggests this. 

aye, our lockdown compared to other countries was soft, maybe that stemmed from the fact we weren't initally hit as hard as Madrid or Lombardy, and that makes people think "it's not as bad here, I'll be ok"

but these two take aways from the report show the difference, to me, between the state of our lockdown in relation to others:

Within countries there has been considerable variation in mortality; in the UK, every local authority area (NUTS3) experienced excess mortality during the peak weeks of excess mortality (week ending 3 April to week ending 8 May 2020), while other Western European countries experienced more geographically localised excess mortality.

While England did not have the highest peak mortality, it did have the longest continuous period of excess mortality of any country compared, resulting in England having the highest levels of excess mortality in Europe for the period as a whole.

 

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[Escobarp]

5 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Surely the best comparable there is SARS. 

[Sweep]

10 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

That certainly shows how serious COVID-19 is, as it's already broken into the top 10 and it's not even been around close to 12 months yet

 

The HIV/AIDS and H1N1 numbers seems very wishy-washy

[Zico]

23 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

think the takeaway here is covid would have been a lot worse if it had happened last century or before