Coronavirus

[Gonk]

8 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

If they can sort out getting fresh air in, will help a lot. I'm no specislist,  but from what I've read, most aircon and heating systems  don't use fresh air, they just alter  the temp of stale air and blow it around. I don't know if the school guidlines includes ventilation. Won't be easy when it's crap weather.

Open (or smashan odd one if non opening) the windows, and wear a cardi then. Sorted

[Traf]

Just now, peelyfeet said:

I hope that means, where there's a window, it will be open, and not shut, if it gets cold outside. 

Yes, that's the plan at Junior's school. They been told to expect to wear coats in winter.
 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

31 minutes ago, Traf said:

Yes, that's the plan at Junior's school. They been told to expect to wear coats in winter.
 

Bob Cratchet over a glowing coal springs to mind. Fingerless gloves and a candle.

[Boby Brno]

Interesting chart this. The trend Of infections and deaths at the start of the pandemic were comparable. Now infections are high but low deaths. Could be due to intensive testing but the next few weeks may give us a better picture.

 

[peelyfeet]

33 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

Interesting chart this. The trend Of infections and deaths at the start of the pandemic were comparable. Now infections are high but low deaths. Could be due to intensive testing but the next few weeks may give us a better picture.

 

Testing is miles better now, the real  infection rate was perhaps 10 times or more higher than confirmed cases early on, they were only testing hospital admissions at first because of lack of tests.

Deaths might be lower now because care homes and hospitals  are protected better, oldies and vulnerable are being cautious, higher % of infections are in the young, viral load is smaller in some of  those contracting it because of mask wearing, distancing etc.  Those admitted to hospital have a better chance of survival too, dexamethasone and remdisivir is reducing mortality by a 5th up to a third in some patients.

I think we are in a lull now. I think cases and deaths will rise again over winter, to what extent will depend on how well we combat it, and how open the govmt want the economy to be. Doubt we'll see anywhere near the death rate of April, just hope tbe economy can recover quickly.

[Spider]

17 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Testing is miles better now, the real  infection rate was perhaps 10 times or more higher than confirmed cases early on, they were only testing hospital admissions at first because of lack of tests.

Deaths might be lower now because care homes and hospitals  are protected better, oldies and vulnerable are being cautious, higher % of infections are in the young, viral load is smaller in some of  those contracting it because of mask wearing, distancing etc.  Those admitted to hospital have a better chance of survival too, dexamethasone and remdisivir is reducing mortality by a 5th up to a third in some patients.

I think we are in a lull now. I think cases and deaths will rise again over winter, to what extent will depend on how well we combat it, and how open the govmt want the economy to be. Doubt we'll see anywhere near the death rate of April, just hope tbe economy can recover quickly.

Excellent post.

 

[kent_white]

2 hours ago, Boby Brno said:

Interesting chart this. The trend Of infections and deaths at the start of the pandemic were comparable. Now infections are high but low deaths. Could be due to intensive testing but the next few weeks may give us a better picture.

 

Could also be because it's killed a lot of the most vulnerable already......

[radcliffe white]

21 hours ago, Traf said:

Yes, that's the plan at Junior's school. They been told to expect to wear coats in winter.
 

Ours have been told on PE days they’re to come in kits and blazer to avoid changing

could get a bit chilly for them😀

[tkonion]

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-accounted-just-26-per-18812480

Not sure if this has been previously posted but it's an interesting read.

[Guest]

No deaths in Wales

Masks aren’t required in Wales

[London Wanderer]

Been okay in schools in Scotland the past week. The minority that have closed so far have been linked to community transmission with no evidence that the virus is being transmitted in school. A class in Glasgow and their teacher have been told to self-isolate due to one pupil testing positive and the rest of the school has stayed open. I really think this is the way forward and the right thing to do if someone tests positive. Another nationwide lockdown of schools would be catastrophic for children and parents/carers alike. It was bloody lovely seeing them back and just how happy they were to be socialising with their pals. Think we may have a new generation who appreciate school (we'll see how long that lasts). 

We need more support though. I've a class of 30, no proper ventilation and we're short staffed. This was an issue pre-Covid but it's been worse with all the health and safety. I've had a 15 minute break for a cuppa & lunch midday and the rest of the time has been taken up cleaning tables before and after lunch/snack etc. Fucking shattered. 

Classes should be 20 tops in primary schools. I've always thought that but all this Covid stuff has just highlighted it even more. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 hours ago, tkonion said:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-accounted-just-26-per-18812480

Not sure if this has been previously posted but it's an interesting read.

Depends upon how they chose to present statistics. Doesnt seem too bad, but we dont know what levels we would have had without the intervention. 

In either case, its prominence is still quite impressive considering it didn't exist until a few months ago.

 

[Gonk]

3 hours ago, boltondiver said:

No deaths in Wales

Masks aren’t required in Wales

Just because they haven't been mandated doesn't mean people aren't wearing them.

[Casino]

Only utter cranks claim wearing a mask makes spread more likely

Just wear a fucking mask, ffs

Theres more chance of us being allowed to do stuff if infections are under control

Why the fuck would you not wear one

 

 

Fwiw, I hate wearing em

[Guest Nordkurve]

3 minutes ago, Casino said:

Only utter cranks claim wearing a mask makes spread more likely

Just wear a fucking mask, ffs

Theres more chance of us being allowed to do stuff if infections are under control

Why the fuck would you not wear one

 

 

Fwiw, I hate wearing em

Just had a go at some twat over here in Germany in KFC. Fucking stood right up behind me in the queue, totally ignoring the social distancing floor markings, with a mask on - under his chin. It's two types of people over here that you see like that: Peope like the twat in KFC aged about 20 covered in tattoos and dressed like Eminem, and Coffin Dodgers. Everyone else just follows the rules. I suitably berated and embarassed the fucker in to pulling his mask up. We are now back to wearing Masks in work except when you are eating or drinking.

[tkonion]

22 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Depends upon how they chose to present statistics. Doesnt seem too bad, but we dont know what levels we would have had without the intervention. 

In either case, its prominence is still quite impressive considering it didn't exist until a few months ago.

 

Would probably have been higher without all the precautions that have taken place, maybe much higher but we'll never know.

Now that we've started to open up and it's still relatively controlled, Covid deaths are low and the average seasonal deaths have been below average for eight successive weeks could it be time to open up a little more, it would certainly be good to give the economy another boost?

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Casino said:

Only utter cranks claim wearing a mask makes spread more likely

Just wear a fucking mask, ffs

Theres more chance of us being allowed to do stuff if infections are under control

Why the fuck would you not wear one

 

 

Fwiw, I hate wearing em

I don’t mind wearing them. When I remember!

[Nowack]

1 hour ago, tkonion said:

Would probably have been higher without all the precautions that have taken place, maybe much higher but we'll never know.

Now that we've started to open up and it's still relatively controlled, Covid deaths are low and the average seasonal deaths have been below average for eight successive weeks could it be time to open up a little more, it would certainly be good to give the economy another boost

What is left to open? 

[MickyD]

7 minutes ago, Nowack said:

What is left to open? 

Sports grounds would help us.

[Nowack]

I guess that's it really. We are at stage where most things are open and its whether mass events like sport, music and theatre can open up. 

[Casino]

Just now, Nowack said:

I guess that's it really. We are at stage where most things are open and its whether mass events like sport, music and theatre can open up. 

My house is still shut

Even my back garden

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, tkonion said:

Would probably have been higher without all the precautions that have taken place, maybe much higher but we'll never know.

Now that we've started to open up and it's still relatively controlled, Covid deaths are low and the average seasonal deaths have been below average for eight successive weeks could it be time to open up a little more, it would certainly be good to give the economy another boost?

I know I keep going back to him, but Whitty is the fella who explains it best for me. A gradual release which keeps the R rate below one.

His latest news is that R rate is pretty much maxed out at the moment, so we may not be looking at much more relaxation yet.

Schools are definitely going back, so far the time being, I can only see other stuff being tightened up. Need these hotspots to disappear and raves etc to stop too. Otherwise were definitely in this for a good while yet.

[tkonion]

1 hour ago, Nowack said:

What is left to open? 

Sports venues, music venues and offices spring to mind. I believe that most local government/ public service offices aren't going to reopen (most have a skeleton staff in at the moment) until well into next year. All these things have a knock on effect to other businesses and suppliers etc.

[tkonion]

8 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I know I keep going back to him, but Whitty is the fella who explains it best for me. A gradual release which keeps the R rate below one.

His latest news is that R rate is pretty much maxed out at the moment, so we may not be looking at much more relaxation yet.

Schools are definitely going back, so far the time being, I can only see other stuff being tightened up. Need these hotspots to disappear and raves etc to stop too. Otherwise were definitely in this for a good while yet.

I definitely agree on the raves and the hotspots. The thing is even with the R at/just below/just above 1 as it appears to be where are the Covid-19 related deaths? Is it worth further job loses and years of austerity and/or higher taxes trying to keep R below 1 when the higher rate of transmission isn't accompanied by higher deaths? 

I appreciate that everybody has different views but as things stand now I would prefer to see concentration on truly effective shielding for the vulnerable and those of us who want to at least try to get back to normal allowed to do so. If deaths start to rise again things can be tightened up to reflect this. I know many will disagree.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, tkonion said:

I definitely agree on the raves and the hotspots. The thing is even with the R at/just below/just above 1 as it appears to be where are the Covid-19 related deaths? Is it worth further job loses and years of austerity and/or higher taxes trying to keep R below 1 when the higher rate of transmission isn't accompanied by higher deaths? 

I appreciate that everybody has different views but as things stand now I would prefer to see concentration on truly effective shielding for the vulnerable and those of us who want to at least try to get back to normal allowed to do so. If deaths start to rise again things can be tightened up to reflect this. I know many will disagree.

In principle aye, but its difficult to haul it back quickly as we've seen before.

Biggest issue is going to be grandparents babysitting youngsters again before or after school. Not easy to shield them in this situation. 

Deaths will remain quite low, so long as its the younger ones getting it, which seems to be happening now. Suppose the issue there is if the rate shoots up, it will start getting to us older ones again- too many folk in my age range who were apparently fit, seem to have fallen victim to it and that's a big concern.