Coronavirus

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Spider said:

A week or so to go and suddenly teachers are starting to appear on the socials bleating about going back to school.

"It's not safe!"

"What happens if there's an outbreak?"

"We should run trials"

 

Fuck off and get back to work you cunts. (this obviously is only the ones whining, I'm sure they're a minority but they so vocal it makes my piss boil)

They aren’t so bright some of these teachers. Read the news, if you can read.

[Nowack]

54 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Aye, I wouldn't like to be developer with a load of empty high rise offices right now.

Our head office is going to be reduced by a 3rd by the looks of it despite us looking to recruit more than a 3rd extra staff over the next 6 months. 

PD office to residential, solve the housing crisis and make a fortune. That's the idea but unfortunately we are going to end up with a load of poor quality flats. 

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

Aye, I wouldn't like to be developer with a load of empty high rise offices right now.

 

One of my mates works for one of the big finance companies around Canary Wharf, only a year ago they signed a ten year lease deal for several floors in one of the big high rises there, and now it looks like they'll only be using about 50% of what they've signed up for apparently. They're also spending something like about £90K to get the air-con changed, so that it'll clean/filter the air rather than just blow potentially contaminated air all over the place (I think that's what he said anyway, I'd stopped listening to him at that point, as he was going on a bit) 🙂

[Big E]

Mrs E's offices are spending £40k on air con works and she will only be in about 1 day every 3 weeks. 

Looking into some hot desks below our apartment to keep her sane. not bad for £100 a month

[Gonk]

24 minutes ago, Big E said:

Mrs E's offices are spending £40k on air con works and she will only be in about 1 day every 3 weeks. 

Looking into some hot desks below our apartment to keep her sane. not bad for £100 a month

Including sanitisation?

[Casino]

4 hours ago, Spider said:

Take the temperature and if neccessary have those fast tests on site. A pain in the arse but if kids realise they will be sent for a test first it might make them think twice.

No matter the cost, school testing needs to be priority Number 1. 

Daughter starts next tuesday

6 coughs, go home get tested

Everybody else cracks on if negative

If positive rest of kids from her class and another go for tests, plus another teacher and 2 assistants

Dunno what happens if theres siblings in other classes

[Escobarp]

18 minutes ago, Casino said:

Daughter starts next tuesday

6 coughs, go home get tested

Everybody else cracks on if negative

If positive rest of kids from her class and another go for tests, plus another teacher and 2 assistants

Dunno what happens if theres siblings in other classes

Different up here. No surprise!. School in dundee had some positive tests so they shut the entire school 

[Big E]

1 hour ago, Gonk said:

Including sanitisation?

I assume you mean cleaned....in that case yes. but its just a desk. £180 for a fixed desk i think. looks pretty decent. tea and coffee included 

[Traf]

6 hours ago, Big E said:

I assume you mean cleaned....in that case yes. but its just a desk. £180 for a fixed desk i think. looks pretty decent. tea and coffee included 

£6 a day inc tea & coffee?
How can you go wrong?

[Naytch]

I've just found out that our place are putting everyone on a permanent "home-based" contract within the next couple of months.

Not really arsed tbh, no commute, save on petrol costs, less cars on the road and more of a lie in each morning.

Fine with me

[kent_white]

34 minutes ago, Naytch said:

I've just found out that our place are putting everyone on a permanent "home-based" contract within the next couple of months.

Not really arsed tbh, no commute, save on petrol costs, less cars on the road and more of a lie in each morning.

Fine with me

I wouldn't be surprised if lots of places do that after lockdown. Especially now there's decent protection for those people who can work from home IT wise.

Maybe even stop a lot of jobs getting outsourced?

[MickyD]

If an office of, say, 100 people each worked from home 4 out of 5 days a week then the company needs 20 desks rather than 100. Maybe the only loser is the landlord.

[DazBob]

1 hour ago, Naytch said:

I've just found out that our place are putting everyone on a permanent "home-based" contract within the next couple of months.

Not really arsed tbh, no commute, save on petrol costs, less cars on the road and more of a lie in each morning.

Fine with me

That's happened at my place.

It's ace for me as I'd spend just under two and a half hours on the road getting to and from work every day.  There are a lot of pissed off people though as the majority only live 5 or 10 mins away.

[Zico]

18 minutes ago, MickyD said:

If an office of, say, 100 people each worked from home 4 out of 5 days a week then the company needs 20 desks rather than 100. Maybe the only loser is the landlord.

and all the local businesses that rely on commuters and folk working in town

WFH might be good for businesses, but less so for the economy

but helps the environment no doubt, with less cars on the road

swings and roundabouts

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

I wouldn't be surprised if lots of places do that after lockdown. Especially now there's decent protection for those people who can work from home IT wise.

Maybe even stop a lot of jobs getting outsourced?

If you can do your work from home, then your company might outsource your job to India, for example.

Edited August 25, 2020 by boltondiver

[Nowack]

My main concern with WFH is the effect on the graduates. Most on here are old farts who are pretty established and can just get on with what ever it is they do. Someone just starting needs to be surrounded by others to help them learn and develop which is not going to be the case if everyone is at home. I see a balance of people being in the office a few days of the week and flexible start and finish times being the norm which hopefully is enough compromise for everyone, as the two extremes of 9-5 5 days a week and sat in your pyjamas all day are not really sustainable.

[L/H White]

24 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

and all the local businesses that rely on commuters and folk working in town

WFH might be good for businesses, but less so for the economy

but helps the environment no doubt, with less cars on the road

swings and roundabouts

 

i havent sat in traffic since feb, long may it continue

[Exiled Girl]

8 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

If you can do your work from home, then your company might outsource your job to India, for example.

I have spent the last 8 years putting right what has been done in India. It would have been more cost-effective to have me & my colleague to do it all from the start. But they come in cheaper at quotation stage.

[Exiled Girl]

On 22/08/2020 at 10:02, peelyfeet said:

The theory is low humidity indoors is a big factor. Aircon, heating and poor ventilation create low humidity, dries out and reduces the weight of the droplets and  allows aerosol to float in the air for longer. High humidity, makes the aerosol heavier, and so it drops to the floor. Being outside, the wind massively dilutes. The thinking now is contact transmission is low, its breathing in aerosol that is main form of transmission. Aircon that doesnt take in fresh air  just spreads it over a greater area. There's multople examples of infection tracing , seems to be indoors, small spaces,  no fresh air. There was a choir practice in usa, 61 people, 2.5 hrs in a room, 1 asymptomatic person, 32 confirmed as caught it within days,  20 suspected.

BB101 addresses ventilation for schools.

Ventilation systems have had a minimum fresh air requirement since at least the mid-80s (I'm not old enough to know before that). The caveat being that I only work on decent sized installations. There's been a move away from recirculation air handling units in the last 15-20 years and more of an emphasis on heat recovery (run-around coils, plate heat exchangers etc. as an eco move. We're currently looking at ways round the recirculation design for existing plant.

[peelyfeet]

3 minutes ago, Exiled Girl said:

BB101 addresses ventilation for schools.

Ventilation systems have had a minimum fresh air requirement since at least the mid-80s (I'm not old enough to know before that). The caveat being that I only work on decent sized installations. There's been a move away from recirculation air handling units in the last 15-20 years and more of an emphasis on heat recovery (run-around coils, plate heat exchangers etc. as an eco move. We're currently looking at ways round the recirculation design for existing plant.

I know almost nothing at all about ventilation systems, and absolute zero about legislation regarding them in schools - so do they all already get fresh air, or is it only in some schools?

[MickyD]

23 minutes ago, Nowack said:

My main concern with WFH is the effect on the graduates. Most on here are old farts who are pretty established and can just get on with what ever it is they do. Someone just starting needs to be surrounded by others to help them learn and develop which is not going to be the case if everyone is at home. I see a balance of people being in the office a few days of the week and flexible start and finish times being the norm which hopefully is enough compromise for everyone, as the two extremes of 9-5 5 days a week and sat in your pyjamas all day are not really sustainable.

This is where my lad is at currently. Got a great job and started about first week in March. A week later he was given a company laptop and told to work from home in a job he still isn’t fully up to speed with. He has daily zoom meetings and a group of people to phone when he needs something explaining. It isn’t ideal. Part of the job involves comparing different versions of contracts. Once you’ve worked out how to get Word to compare and point out changes it becomes a bit of a doddle. Money for balls-all!

[Exiled Girl]

Just now, peelyfeet said:

I know almost nothing at all about ventilation systems, and absolute zero about legislation regarding them in schools - so do they all already get fresh air, or is it only in some schools?

The ones since the new deal for schools (in the 2000s) that I've worked on do. They also have automatically opening windows depending on CO2 levels. Austerity in the 2010s put an end to that. And any schools built prior to that won't have much beyond boilers & window poles.

[Sweep]

38 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

If you can do your work from home, then your company might outsource your job to India, for example.

I agree, allowing people to WFH permanently means the employees can be anywhere in the world.....so why bother having Europeans on high wages, when you can employ people on the sub-continent on less than half that wage. It works for the call centres already, and I know there is talk that some will come back to the UK, but believe me, they'll all soon be headed back over there 

[Spider]

22 minutes ago, Exiled Girl said:

The ones since the new deal for schools (in the 2000s) that I've worked on do. They also have automatically opening windows depending on CO2 levels. Austerity in the 2010s put an end to that. And any schools built prior to that won't have much beyond boilers & window poles.

I worked on the BSF schools and I do know that the budgets ended up cut to the bone and things like ventilation went from state of the art down to “open a fckin window” on some sites.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

55 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

If you can do your work from home, then your company might outsource your job to India, for example.

That's already happened aplenty well before covid.

When Darren from Delhi talks gibberish or even ticketmaster utilising Bulgarians to sell wanderers tickets. Or more accurately, not selling tickets.