Corona Football Season

[JimmyRiddle]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

League 1 and 2 clubs can’t afford season to continue. Only issue is it null and void or PPG. 

I just can't see PPG being a goer as would open up challenges left right and centre.
 

To cancel something due to unforeseen circumstances had to be preferable, in law too I imagine, than trying to gerrymander the results of a non completed competition.

PPG would be like telling two cricket teams D/L is being used, but only after it has started pissing down to the detriment of someone!

IT has to already be in the rules to be enacted, and it isn't I don't think??

 

Edited April 22, 2020 by JimmyRiddle

[MalcolmW]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

League 1 and 2 clubs can’t afford season to continue. Only issue is it null and void or PPG. 

EFL "decision" is due this week.

If season is null and void then our 12 point penalty will roll over to new season.

If season is extended to become 2019-2021, or if league table is frozen (with or without adjustment for PPG) then if any 2 other clubs follow Bury into oblivion before play-offs are completed then BWFC escape relegation! [unless we are one of the two of course]

[Mounts Kipper]

4 minutes ago, MalcolmW said:

EFL "decision" is due this week.

If season is null and void then our 12 point penalty will roll over to new season.

If season is extended to become 2019-2021, or if league table is frozen (with or without adjustment for PPG) then if any 2 other clubs follow Bury into oblivion before play-offs are completed then BWFC escape relegation! [unless we are one of the two of course]

I’ll take anything if it means we stay up. 

[radcliffe white]

6 minutes ago, MalcolmW said:

EFL "decision" is due this week.

If season is null and void then our 12 point penalty will roll over to new season.

If season is extended to become 2019-2021, or if league table is frozen (with or without adjustment for PPG) then if any 2 other clubs follow Bury into oblivion before play-offs are completed then BWFC escape relegation! [unless we are one of the two of course]

Has this been confirmed about our 12 point penalty? 

[tomski]

13 hours ago, MalcolmW said:

EFL "decision" is due this week.

If season is null and void then our 12 point penalty will roll over to new season.

If season is extended to become 2019-2021, or if league table is frozen (with or without adjustment for PPG) then if any 2 other clubs follow Bury into oblivion before play-offs are completed then BWFC escape relegation! [unless we are one of the two of course]

Bullshit that it rolls over. They have to give us another 12 points. Can’t give it us 2 seasons running. I think I’d rather just get relegated.

Will they give Liverpool a 20 point lead or whatever it is if it’s cancelled 

Edited April 23, 2020 by tomski

[radcliffe white]

7 minutes ago, tomski said:

Bullshit that it rolls over. They have to give us another 12 points. Can’t give it us 2 seasons running. I think I’d rather just get relegated.

Will they give Liverpool a 20 point lead or whatever it is if it’s cancelled 

That’s my take 

[Escobarp]

29 minutes ago, tomski said:

Bullshit that it rolls over. They have to give us another 12 points. Can’t give it us 2 seasons running. I think I’d rather just get relegated.

Will they give Liverpool a 20 point lead or whatever it is if it’s cancelled 

But it wouldn’t be giving it twice in a row as under null and void it never happened first time. 
 

I would just rather be relegated. It’s the right thing to do and we start again no points deduction and we start our climb back and have a promotion run next year 

[bolton va va]

I'd snatch their hand off if we were given the opportunity to start next season on -12 in division 1.

With a bit of time to assemble a squad even under embargo, a bit of a pre season to get them bedded in, not having to effectively forfeit the first 6 games & a good possibility that a few other clubs will be in financial messes, we should have a good chance of making up the 12 points on 4 ( or 3 ?) clubs & escaping.

Whether Hill is the right man to manage it, is a separate question.

[radcliffe white]

The negative impact of starting again on -12 would be too much imo

this covid has put some off football altogether add potentially another season of struggle folk won’t be interested 

ok you could argue we won’t be playing kids and getting early season bummings, with chino still at the helm it would be a tiring season 

 

[birch-chorley]

Can’t have it both ways, if it’s null and void and we start the season again from day 1 with the same teams in the league then -12 points is fair enough IMO. The -12 points was only half the issue this season, losing the first 6 or so game’s 5-0 didn’t help, neither did only having an afternoon to assemble a squad 

I’d snatch your hand off for League 1 re start on -12 points 

[radcliffe white]

6 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Can’t have it both ways, if it’s null and void and we start the season again from day 1 with the same teams in the league then -12 points is fair enough IMO. The -12 points was only half the issue this season, losing the first 6 or so game’s 5-0 didn’t help, neither did only having an afternoon to assemble a squad 

I’d snatch your hand off for League 1 re start on -12 points 

Not saying you can’t have it both ways but come on 10 games left it would be brutal and soul destroying 

give us -3 or something 
 

[Zico]

46 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

But it wouldn’t be giving it twice in a row as under null and void it never happened first time. 
 

I would just rather be relegated. It’s the right thing to do and we start again no points deduction and we start our climb back and have a promotion run next year 

for me, we got handed -12 because we went into admin

and we started the season in admin

we're not in admin anymore, we've satisfied all we had to do with the EFL to be able to crack on

so now we crack on

[Casino]

23 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

 

I’d snatch your hand off for League 1 re start on -12 points 

As would I

But where we probably differ, is I'd see plenty teams on -12

[Casino]

Also, I would argue we have served 12 months of embargo but even if we haven't, pretty sure wages are dropping next time we are playing 

[Escobarp]

1 hour ago, ZicoKelly said:

for me, we got handed -12 because we went into admin

and we started the season in admin

we're not in admin anymore, we've satisfied all we had to do with the EFL to be able to crack on

so now we crack on

I would love it to be like that also. 
 

and we didn’t get -22 because we started in admin. We got it because we went into admin after the cut off. So even if we were out of admin before this season started we still would’ve been -12. 
 

if this wasn’t us and was another club of a similar stature say Sunderland we would be in uproar if they got to start next season on level points and effectively skip a deduction due to null and void . Fairs fair and all that 

[Zico]

6 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I would love it to be like that also. 
 

and we didn’t get -22 because we started in admin. We got it because we went into admin after the cut off. So even if we were out of admin before this season started we still would’ve been -12. 
 

if this wasn’t us and was another club of a similar stature say Sunderland we would be in uproar if they got to start next season on level points and effectively skip a deduction due to null and void . Fairs fair and all that 

I think if the season is null and void, the punishments should be null and void

Let's face it, half the players who started the season at one club won't start at the same one when the next one starts

Half the teams might not even be in business

Everything has changed, so they're going to have to be flexible with all the rules and regulations

I'll be surprised if we start on -12 as equally as I'd be surprised if there are 23 teams with full squads ready to go when the first day of the next season starts

[passmosster]

There would be uproar from a lot of teams if the season ended as is. So it will be called null and void. If we start in L1, we will almost certainly be on -12. 

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

I think if the season is null and void, the punishments should be null and void

Let's face it, half the players who started the season at one club won't start at the same one when the next one starts

Half the teams might not even be in business

Everything has changed, so they're going to have to be flexible with all the rules and regulations

I'll be surprised if we start on -12 as equally as I'd be surprised if there are 23 teams with full squads ready to go when the first day of the next season starts

I will be amazed if we are in league one. Delighted but amazed. I cannot see it. 
 

for everyone that says ppg isn’t the way due to legal challenges what about if it’s made null and void?  Season will be halted and declared on a ppg basis for me and it’s the right way to do it. Winners and losers but the fairest way. Important thing is it will be done with a fair ballot and there will be a rule somewhere regarding stuff like this (although not quite) which allows for votes amongst the members. 
 

I will have anyone a hundred pound charity bet with anyone that if the season is null and void we start on -12. We aren’t escaping this we are bolton wanderers we get favours off no fucker

[JimmyRiddle]

I think it will be what was written in the judgement, if its says the 19/20 season, then that's is we have served our time and doesn't really matter what the league or other clubs wanna do about it! .
I don't think it morally right but don't really give a fuck.

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, JimmyRiddle said:

I think it will be what was written in the judgement, if its says the 19/20 season, then that's is we have served our time and doesn't really matter what the league or other clubs wanna do about it! .
I don't think it morally right but don't really give a fuck.

What judgement? The rules refer to the penalty applying to the next season, of which the next one will be 20/21 if the season 19/20 is null and void. That’s a fact 

[JimmyRiddle]

Do we know that for sure? I imagine there are formal legal papers that have slighty more detail?

[radcliffe white]

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I will be amazed if we are in league one. Delighted but amazed. I cannot see it. 
 

for everyone that says ppg isn’t the way due to legal challenges what about if it’s made null and void?  Season will be halted and declared on a ppg basis for me and it’s the right way to do it. Winners and losers but the fairest way. Important thing is it will be done with a fair ballot and there will be a rule somewhere regarding stuff like this (although not quite) which allows for votes amongst the members. 
 

I will have anyone a hundred pound charity bet with anyone that if the season is null and void we start on -12. We aren’t escaping this we are bolton wanderers we get favours off no fucker

Can’t see the full -12, FV have good grounds 

50? 

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Can’t see the full -12, FV have good grounds 

50? 

Don’t get me wrong I would love it. But what grounds does anyone have for anything?
 

if the season is null and void that means it legally won’t have happened as such we will have our deduction applied in the next season which is next year. I will dig out the efl rules on insolvency events . It’s pretty clear. 

[Escobarp]

Just read them. Best chance we’ve got is there is a force majeure clause in there. What we need is somebody else to go in to admin get the 12 points then argue they wouldn’t have faced it if they hadn’t had the Covid-19 issues. Us to piggy back on and say we wouldn’t have faced a deduction in 20/21 but for the crisis. 
 

Other than that it refers to the “following season” which as I’ve said would be 20/21 if it’s played and last year voided. 
 

but for me it’s all conjecture as I don’t believe they will void the competition 

[Casino]

15 minutes ago, JimmyRiddle said:

Do we know that for sure? I imagine there are formal legal papers that have slighty more detail?

Im with you.

Thats a very good point

Its not a fcuking phone call thing

Somewhere, the penalty will be in writing

And it aint saying 'next season'

Now, obvs, force majeure cards can be played, but as it stands we are into the embargo and we have served the -12

 

Suggestions of ppg ing it are pie in the sky imo

If ive played liverpool twice, while fred at the side of me has played norwich twice, how can ppg be fair