Covid-19

[stevieb]

8 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

That's shocking. And a bit scary

Not that shocking. 

Majority of people dying from Delta are double jabbed. 

Pages 22 and 23. Gets updated every 2 weeks, been the same for the last few issues 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201

 

Edit: added from delta variant. 

Edited September 1, 2021 by stevieb

[Dimron]

7 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

That's shocking. And a bit scary

Johnson enjoyed his vaccine popularity bounce but how is he now going to tell us that these things don't work as well as we told you? Do they really want to shut the economy down again?

The new variants are probably more transmittable but less deadly, killing a host early on is not the way to propagate... that is how SARS came to an end, it was just too deadly and killed the host before it could be passed on.

 

[MickyD]

9 minutes ago, stevieb said:

Majority of people dying from Delta are double jabbed. 

It’d be interesting if they did a data comparison of the positives following each of the various vaccine types. 

[Dimron]

16 minutes ago, stevieb said:

Not that shocking. 

Majority of people dying from Delta are double jabbed. 

Pages 22 and 23. Gets updated every 2 weeks, been the same for the last few issues 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201

 

Edit: added from delta variant. 

Not something that they would put into a Downing Street slide

[stevieb]

Just now, MickyD said:

It’d be interesting if they did a data comparison of the positives following each of the various vaccine types. 

Aye. 

In Israel (the most vaccinated country on earth) they have now said if you aren't booster jabbed every 6 months you are classed as Unvaccinated. 🤣

https://www.gov.il/en/departments/news/29082021-01

 

[mickbrown]

16 minutes ago, stevieb said:

Not that shocking. 

Majority of people dying from Delta are double jabbed. 

Pages 22 and 23. Gets updated every 2 weeks, been the same for the last few issues 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201

 

Edit: added from delta variant. 

Aye, I know mathematically there's bound to be more vaccinated folk dying. Just meant shocking as in 51. That's no age .

[stevieb]

Just now, mickbrown said:

Aye, I know mathematically there's bound to be more vaccinated folk dying. Just meant shocking as in 51. That's no age .

Definitely not. Absolutely shit. No age at all. 

[stevieb]

3 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Not something that they would put into a Downing Street slide

Maybe not but it's on the governments own data if you can be arsed to look at it yourself. 

[MancWanderer]

Folk need to remember. Getting the jab doesn’t stop you getting Covid and it isn’t 100% effective. No med is. Like my rep in Scotland said “thank fuck I got it after being jabbed otherwise I’d be seeing my A&E colleagues from an ICU bed”. He’s in Lanarkshire. Folk have stopped wearing masks and handwashing has gone out the window up there. Worries me somewhat and I’m of the “it’s time to crack on and get back to normality” breed as we can’t permanently live in lockdown/restrictions but it hits hard when someone you know pegs it and another is seriously ill

[Zico]

I think we're now starting to get to a point where it actually is "no different than flu" 

As in 

You need regular boosters to avoid getting it bad 

All the data suggests vaccines are waning 

So more jabs required 

In time seasonal covid jabs will be commonplace 

And everyone will catch it at some point whether they know it or not  

We're still very much in the early stages of learning to live with it 

 

[stevieb]

Just now, MancWanderer said:

Folk need to remember. Getting the jab doesn’t stop you getting Covid and it isn’t 100% effective. No med is. Like my rep in Scotland said “thank fuck I got it after being jabbed otherwise I’d be seeing my A&E colleagues from an ICU bed”. He’s in Lanarkshire. Folk have stopped wearing masks and handwashing has gone out the window up there. Worries me somewhat and I’m of the “it’s time to crack on and get back to normality” breed as we can’t permanently live in lockdown/restrictions but it hits hard when someone you know pegs it and another is seriously ill

The jabs are designed for just that. Reduce deaths and serious illness. 

They're not designed to reduce transmission. 

Vaccine passports on the horizon, just announced in Scotland. Was mooted before parliament went on their 6 week hols.

Doesn't make logical sense that vaccine status trumps a negative test result. 

[Casino]

No KNOWN underlying conditions

 

Anyway, fwiw,I've had a cough for two weeks and some shortage of breath

Negative COVID though

Gonna have to get some antibiotics to shift it, I fear

They can start Sunday

[stevieb]

14 minutes ago, Zico said:

I think we're now starting to get to a point where it actually is "no different than flu" 

As in 

You need regular boosters to avoid getting it bad 

All the data suggests vaccines are waning 

So more jabs required 

In time seasonal covid jabs will be commonplace 

And everyone will catch it at some point whether they know it or not  

We're still very much in the early stages of learning to live with it 

 

Mounts was right all along! 🤣 

[Casino]

Also, is it not logical that the variant killing most folk is the one that most folk are catching

[stevieb]

17 minutes ago, Casino said:

Also, is it not logical that the variant killing most folk is the one that most folk are catching

Only if its logical the variant most folk are vaccinated against doesn't cover the variant killing most folk. 

Who are we blaming... 

The leaky vaccine... or the unvaccinated 

 

 

I'm just planting seeds. 🤣 

 

[MancWanderer]

1 hour ago, stevieb said:

Doesn't make logical sense that vaccine status trumps a negative test result. 

No argument there from me 

[stevieb]

3 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

No argument there from me 

Luckily BL6 MP Chris Green agrees. 

It's looking like it's going to be defeated in the commons though. 

You need to prove you've had jabs that aren't ever designed to stop transmission but that's better than showing a test you don't have it... 

Mental 

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

6 minutes ago, stevieb said:

Luckily BL6 MP Chris Green agrees. 

It's looking like it's going to be defeated in the commons though. 

You need to prove you've had jabs that aren't ever designed to stop transmission but that's better than showing a test you don't have it... 

Mental 

It's not mental if the vaccinations were the end game all along.... 

[Rudy]

 

[MickyD]

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[Rudy]

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[MickyD]

Better

[Tonge moor green jacket]

10 hours ago, stevieb said:

Luckily BL6 MP Chris Green agrees. 

It's looking like it's going to be defeated in the commons though. 

You need to prove you've had jabs that aren't ever designed to stop transmission but that's better than showing a test you don't have it... 

Mental 

I'm not sure it's fair to say they're not designed to prevent transmission. The success or otherwise of these at preventing serious illness etc was only detected during the initial trials, and that's their aim, though it was believed they probably would reduce transmission. 

The transmission data has only recently been received, and it seems no-one really knew how effective they'd be in this regard.

No doubt the scientists will be looking at the performance of these vaccines and improving them as the years go on.

[stevieb]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

 

The transmission data has only recently been received, and it seems no-one really knew how effective they'd be in this regard.

No doubt the scientists will be looking at the performance of these vaccines and improving them as the years go on.

But we're about to start domestic vaccine passports based on vaccine status for vaccines that aren't as effective at reducing transmission as hoped. 

With proof of a negative test result no longer acceptable. 

It defies logic. You can't argue with that. 

[burnden]

A few days into having covid now , it has properly knocked me on my arse .

Daughter got it as well same for her

Both of us double jabbed  2 x AZ