Meanwhile In England

[athywhite1958]

24 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said:

Try telling that to the guy from Liverpool that’s just done 30 years before he’s just been proven innocent by a DNA test. Last I heard he’s still not had an apology from Merseyside police.

The jury found him guilty at the time

[Alf Hartigan]

6 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said:

The jury found him guilty at the time

Yes, and they were wrong.

[athywhite1958]

42 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said:

Yes, and they were wrong.

I agree and there have been others, but I still think a case should be  trial by jury

[DirtySanchez]

59 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said:

Yes, and they were wrong.

Were they wrong at the time of the decision? 

Don't think they can be blamed without having access to DNA that didnt become evident till years later 

[Big E]

1 hour ago, athywhite1958 said:

The jury found him guilty at the time

wasn't there a confession that was used at the time. 

[athywhite1958]

16 minutes ago, Big E said:

wasn't there a confession that was used at the time. 

I don't know mate, but, if he was a scouser he must have been guilty of some other stuff

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

17 hours ago, royal white said:

This has to  be a parody account 😂 “massive solidarity”

That will show those Israelis 

 

 

I think that should have read Bolton for Plasticine 😁

[Big E]

38 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said:

I don't know mate, but, if he was a scouser he must have been guilty of some other stuff

Sure i read he had learning difficulties and it was a bad confession. as you say he was probably on the radar for petty stuff 

[Dimron]

2 hours ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

I think that should have read Bolton for Plasticine 😁

Bless em

[Alf Hartigan]

4 hours ago, athywhite1958 said:

I agree and there have been others, but I still think a case should be  trial by jury

I too think a jury is a better system, but this case was shambles.

4 hours ago, DirtySanchez said:

Were they wrong at the time of the decision? 

Don't think they can be blamed without having access to DNA that didnt become evident till years later 

I’m not blaming the jury. It’s the police that got a false confession from him. 

[DirtySanchez]

1 hour ago, Alf Hartigan said:

I too think a jury is a better system, but this case was shambles.

I’m not blaming the jury. It’s the police that got a false confession from him. 

You said they were wrong 

Now you're saying it's a stitch up by the police 

Based on the evidence that was presented to the jury at the time, do you think they got it wrong?

[bolty58]

19 hours ago, kent_white said:

There's a place for you somewhere warming up for that weird looking ginger 'comic' that was doing the rounds on here a few months ago.

Can't wait 

[bolty58]

16 hours ago, Bertie said:

“Trawling up shit” 😂😂

You mean just answering a question with facts, that “your Don” had been found guilty of sexual assault by a jury.

You can’t make it go away you know. It did happen. The judiciary wasn’t weaponised. I’m surprised you’re comfortable just laughing it off - you must think it’s ok therefore for blokes to do this?

Is it less than 1,000 days yet? 

Just checked, it's worse/better than that.

[Alf Hartigan]

13 hours ago, DirtySanchez said:

You said they were wrong 

Now you're saying it's a stitch up by the police 

Based on the evidence that was presented to the jury at the time, do you think they got it wrong?

Yes they were wrong because he was innocent. Where have I said I blame the jury for getting it wrong?

[DirtySanchez]

30 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said:

Yes they were wrong because he was innocent. Where have I said I blame the jury for getting it wrong?

I was asking given the evidence that was presented at time, were the jury wrong to come to the conclusion they did

As it transpired, evidence at a later date came to light which showed his innocence 

Had they known that they may well have reached a different conclusion 

You're saying they got it wrong as he was innocent 

Never said you blamed the jury for getting it wrong 

[Alf Hartigan]

3 hours ago, DirtySanchez said:

I was asking given the evidence that was presented at time, were the jury wrong to come to the conclusion they did

As it transpired, evidence at a later date came to light which showed his innocence 

Had they known that they may well have reached a different conclusion 

You're saying they got it wrong as he was innocent 

Never said you blamed the jury for getting it wrong 

I think we’re saying the same thing.

However, prosecution by the police was well dodgy. They interviewed a young man with learning needs several times without a solicitor present. They must have persuaded him to do this. But if had learning difficulties he should have had an appropriate adult who would then ask for a solicitor. The PACE guidelines were in their infancy back then and it appears some police were not implementing them at times. I’m not sure this came out in court as I’ve not read it in detail. But yes it appears that the jury made the right decision with what was presented. But it was still the wrong decision.

[gonzo]

Man found guilty of attempted murder over relentless train attack | UK News | Sky News https://share.google/8ylcDHSHMtcZDwvzz

Not England but close enough.

What a delightful human being 🤦‍♂️

Doesn't get much more Glasweigian than attacking someone with a broken bottle of Buckfast 

[Zico]

24 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Man found guilty of attempted murder over relentless train attack | UK News | Sky News https://share.google/8ylcDHSHMtcZDwvzz

Not England but close enough.

What a delightful human being 🤦‍♂️

Doesn't get much more Glasweigian than attacking someone with a broken bottle of Buckfast 

the look on his face and in his eyes when he steams in

 

[green genie]

25 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Man found guilty of attempted murder over relentless train attack | UK News | Sky News https://share.google/8ylcDHSHMtcZDwvzz

Not England but close enough.

What a delightful human being 🤦‍♂️

Doesn't get much more Glasweigian than attacking someone with a broken bottle of Buckfast 

Tbf he had stone Thailand and a bird who looked like a Rottweiler in a long puffer gilet, they couldn’t have been given much more warning 

[jmjhb]

 

Farage should resign and GB News taken off the air.

[Cheese]

14 minutes ago, jmjhb said:

 

Farage should resign and GB News taken off the air.

Hahahahahahahahahaha

[jmjhb]

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Paul Lumber, 60, was one of the most renowned members of Bristol City’s notorious City Service Firm in the “casuals” scene of the 1980s.

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Paul served several terms in prison for football-related violence in his younger days and was rumoured to be the first person in the country to receive a lifetime football banning order when they were introduced.

Whoever could have guessed that?

Another lad wanting to bring back the 'good old days' of the 80s when they were young and ran the streets.

Edited December 12, 2025 by jmjhb

[Dimron]

1 hour ago, jmjhb said:

 

Farage should resign and GB News taken off the air.

Just looked this up, he was believed to be the first to receive a football banning order and was banned for life from Bristol City.

At least he died doing what he loved🙃

[Dr Faustus]

4 hours ago, Zico said:

the look on his face and in his eyes when he steams in

 

Favvers a ginger IE

[London Wanderer]

10 hours ago, gonzo said:

Man found guilty of attempted murder over relentless train attack | UK News | Sky News https://share.google/8ylcDHSHMtcZDwvzz

Not England but close enough.

What a delightful human being 🤦‍♂️

Doesn't get much more Glasweigian than attacking someone with a broken bottle of Buckfast 

Nasty stuff Buckfast.. don’t be fooled by the brewed by monks label.

I only ever drink it with MDMA.