Carlisle (H)

[barrycowdrill]

8 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

They certainly ought to have a means at their disposal to deal with it!

 

I suppose when they have Dan and Jerome pressing they can knock it about in their slippers. Different kettle on a sat at 3pm though 

[Leyther_Matt]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Williams does this over and over. Does my fuckin head in.

Hes beat his man then turns inside to do it again.

Attack over.

And that’s one of our few genuinely two-footed players

[Tonge moor green jacket]

39 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said:

I suppose when they have Dan and Jerome pressing they can knock it about in their slippers. Different kettle on a sat at 3pm though 

True, though I think our 3rd goal showed what we can do. A positive run from midfield, and an early, quality pass to split the defence.

Keep doing that, and teams will be wary of pushing up too readily.

[frank_spencer]

Whilst numerous class levels above us it took city buying Haaland for them to find a consistent method to get through the 11 men behind the ball strategy.

Evatt doesn't want to play the 'get the ball down the wings and stick it in the mixer' way. It can be frustrating as fuck watching it at times especially when the players waiting for the ball seem to be stood around like statues. The main issue is the lack of changing it when plan A is struggling 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Going back to the utd game, the positive approach and early balls in paid dividends.

Dan's header was a peach of a cross, and there were other flowing moves with a simple first time ball across.

We can do it.

[L/H White]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Going back to the utd game, the positive approach and early balls in paid dividends.

Dan's header was a peach of a cross, and there were other flowing moves with a simple first time ball across.

We can do it.

Issue here is mate, they we're playing a load of kids who had school the morning after, that game is absolutely irrelevant imo

[barrycowdrill]

1 hour ago, frank_spencer said:

Whilst numerous class levels above us it took city buying Haaland for them to find a consistent method to get through the 11 men behind the ball strategy.

Evatt doesn't want to play the 'get the ball down the wings and stick it in the mixer' way. It can be frustrating as fuck watching it at times especially when the players waiting for the ball seem to be stood around like statues. The main issue is the lack of changing it when plan A is struggling 

But there’s a big difference in Just blindly putting it in the mixer and getting your wing backs in to position to put early balls in across the face of goal. That’s where our strikers should be getting half a dozen goals each without blinking. You mentioned city there and how do you think sterling got 20+ every season? Exactly that.. 

we play the percentage pass all the time rather than whipping it across the face and seeing what happens. Strikers quickly cotton on to where they should be when the ball goes in there 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

21 minutes ago, L/H White said:

Issue here is mate, they we're playing a load of kids who had school the morning after, that game is absolutely irrelevant imo

We know that but the fact still remains that the players were more willing to play the ball in quickly. 

Of course it may not always be the best option at the time, but if folk can see that too often in league games the wide men cut back, then they need to take heart from the fact they are capable of scoring goals whilst playing quickly. We have been doing that better than last season earlier on in the league too, so it's not that they can't do it.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said:

But there’s a big difference in Just blindly putting it in the mixer and getting your wing backs in to position to put early balls in across the face of goal. That’s where our strikers should be getting half a dozen goals each without blinking. You mentioned city there and how do you think sterling got 20+ every season? Exactly that.. 

we play the percentage pass all the time rather than whipping it across the face and seeing what happens. Strikers quickly cotton on to where they should be when the ball goes in there 

Back post sterling tap-ins were a regular feature as you say.

[CambridgeBWFC]

People keep mentioning Dan's pace, but when he runs and jumps it looks like his boots are made of lead. He is a lumbering simpleton, who has no positional sense whatsoever. Tuesday Charles had it edge of the box and Dan needed to pull wide and into the box to create some space and/or give an option, he moved slowly towards Dion. Last Saturday he was on the RHS on the PV box, playing with DC and Dempsey, nice lay off and then he should have been getting into the box, but he just stood watching DC and Dempsey offering nothing and not even asking for a pass. He just isn't a footballer 

 

[Zico]

6 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

Wouldn't mind too much if it resulted in a shot on goal but it usually doesn't and we end up trying to tippy tappy it through a packed defence.

This is why we need to see more of JDB up there when this is happening, he's perfect to have in the box with such an approach 

[Zico]

6 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

Wouldn't mind too much if it resulted in a shot on goal but it usually doesn't and we end up trying to tippy tappy it through a packed defence.

This is why we need to see more of JDB up there when this is happening, he's perfect to have in the box with such an approach 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

9 minutes ago, CambridgeBWFC said:

People keep mentioning Dan's pace, but when he runs and jumps it looks like his boots are made of lead. He is a lumbering simpleton, who has no positional sense whatsoever. Tuesday Charles had it edge of the box and Dan needed to pull wide and into the box to create some space and/or give an option, he moved slowly towards Dion. Last Saturday he was on the RHS on the PV box, playing with DC and Dempsey, nice lay off and then he should have been getting into the box, but he just stood watching DC and Dempsey offering nothing and not even asking for a pass. He just isn't a footballer 

 

Like I said, it's what's upstairs that's costing him.

Is it laziness, lack of a footballing brain or something else?

 

[Johnnyrotten]

10 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It certainly is, what I don’t understand is why our coaches can’t sort that, soft foot draw it back an inch or 2 as you receive the ball, something you teach 6 year olds. 

I don't agree you can coach it, IMO you either have a natural "feel" for controlling a football, or you don't.  I bet nobody taught Sheehan or Dapo, its natural ability (nobody taught me either, pure natural 😁).  It would be embarrassing for a professional team to be telling their players how to control a football, they should be spending their time doing much higher level stuff than that.   

[Johnnyrotten]

4 hours ago, L/H White said:

Issue here is mate, they we're playing a load of kids who had school the morning after, that game is absolutely irrelevant imo

Exactly.  It beggars belief that folk use that game as any sort of barometer.  By all means go to the game and enjoy the entertainment and goals, but its absolutely nothing to do with serious games on a Saturday.

[frank_spencer]

3 hours ago, barrycowdrill said:

But there’s a big difference in Just blindly putting it in the mixer and getting your wing backs in to position to put early balls in across the face of goal. That’s where our strikers should be getting half a dozen goals each without blinking. You mentioned city there and how do you think sterling got 20+ every season? Exactly that.. 

we play the percentage pass all the time rather than whipping it across the face and seeing what happens. Strikers quickly cotton on to where they should be when the ball goes in there 

That's when the city tactics were working and as we've seen earlier in the season with numerous 3-0 wins we're more than capable of playing successfully with Evatt's style.

The issue is when it isn't working, City have Haaland we don't IE's job is to find what we can do when plan A isn't working and so far he hasn't. It's all well and good playing the ball around and probing for the opening but until we find a way through the low block it'll be a fight.

Dapo had the ability to create something from nothing, we haven't replaced that. Maybe CMG can be that player a bunch of grafters is what we've got at the moment.

[Biggish Dave]

Agree on these. Noticed a time or 2 on Tuesday Dan's footballing nouce was minimal. There was one Williams was stretching to keep a header in, he was only ever going just keep it in - not knock it 15 yards or so into Dan. He made no effort to go to towards the ball.

Really feel we've got a ball & chain for 3 years with this one. I was hoping the Peterbrough then Utd games might be a turning point but it's not happening. With Vic fit again, he won't even be on the bench tomorrow

[Tonge moor green jacket]

9 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Exactly.  It beggars belief that folk use that game as any sort of barometer.  By all means go to the game and enjoy the entertainment and goals, but its absolutely nothing to do with serious games on a Saturday.

A somewhat ignorant comment.

You used the word barometer. I didn't. 

Yes, it was easier to play that way against the kids, no one disputes that, but that doesn't explain an apparent mind-set change at times in some of our games, whereby the approach may be similar but the final ball doesn't come in soon enough. 

It's not as if we haven't done this at all in the league, because we have, and have scored goals on the back of it. Indeed we have lauded the more direct approach at times, and it hasn't been solely against some kids. Perhaps you have missed this.

Not a case of just wanging it in willy-nilly but giving opportunities to players getting into the box, facing the goal, with defenders doing likewise. 

We just need to keep doing it.

[embankment]

Might be just me , but there is alot of waffle over the last 7 pages .

Can we not just look forward to another big crowd. Almost  Sold out away end , the weather gods are being kind .

Hopefully the match will live up to the turnout .

And somehow we get 3pts .

2-1 to the Wanderers. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

A football forum, so yes largely a load of waffle!

Hopefully win another big crowd game.

[Mounts Kipper]

10 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I don't agree you can coach it, IMO you either have a natural "feel" for controlling a football, or you don't.  I bet nobody taught Sheehan or Dapo, its natural ability (nobody taught me either, pure natural 😁).  It would be embarrassing for a professional team to be telling their players how to control a football, they should be spending their time doing much higher level stuff than that.   

Of course you can coach it, If you can’t do the basics, no point in coaching higher level stuff. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

20 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Of course you can coach it, If you can’t do the basics, no point in coaching higher level stuff. 

I agree. 

Not everyone has it in them, and for the most part they don't go into football. 

Others that do have an interest as kids can and will improve with practice and coaching. 

[W.cramp]

So, we all know Dan is shit, and we now all know jdb should start and evatt still believes in him,  and so I will move onto the topic title.

I think big vic and Paris will start or at least play a good half hour.   Also think Santos is a possibility (I never beleive a press conference about injuries since turning up to the ground one day and finding out Gary Cahill wasnt playing, he was brilliant at that time)

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Don't think Paris will start, even if fit.

Vic might. 

[kent_white]

Not sure if it's been mentioned elsewhere - but Evatt is in the paper today bigging JDB up and affirming that he hasn't lost confidence in him, that he's a big player for us but that's he's nursing him back from injury.