Time for a new manager?

[Roger_Dubuis]

35 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I'm more arsed about the players than SS. 

As ever they get away with fuckin murder.

But not Josh Sheehan of course.He is entitled to have a strop if the timing of his substitution hurts his feelings

[Zico]

10 hours ago, SalCity Biggie said:

What I find funny in these types of discussion is that those who want him gone never say who they want in instead.

That's irrelevant really

It's up to the hierarchy to determine if this is good enough and if not who to bring in

I wanted IE out and to bring in Alex Neil 

It didn't happen, but doesn't mean I was wrong to want IE out 

[SalCity Biggie]

True, but at least it looks like you've thought about it and looked at alternatives and then made a suggestion. Just wanting someone out due to frustration (not saying that's not allowed) doesn't feel like it's been properly thought out and whilst it's not our decision to make those appointments as you've said, it just doesn't feel like a properly thought out thing. I think what I'm trying to say is that it's easy to say you want someone gone, but not much though or research is done to look into alternatives 

[Spider]

14 hours ago, Marc505 said:

I believe, after a few decades watching this club all over through thick-ish and thin, that on the whole people prefer it when things are not going well.

We revel in chaos.

That's where the booing starts after 5 minutes, or when passes go back not forward, when the forums kick off, where your WhatsApp lights up, where the emergency podcasts get made, where people pine for the past.

Where fans start pleading for apologies and refunds from the club when really its their money and their choice to travel and they say its all just about the day out anyway after all. Where people start saying actually Im not going to Wigan anymore because we might lose and I cant handle it.

OINO, apparently. 

 

Post of the century

[Tombwfc]

15 hours ago, Lostock Whites said:

I look at our goalkeeper position and think, we need better. I look at Johnston, we need better, and particularly at no10 and up front, we need better. 

 

But have you researched which L1 goalkeepers we should sign instead?

[Eddie]

I wanted Rosenior in May-24. He’s now Chelsea manager. I’ll let you know who we should get next as I clearly know my stuff 😏

[masi 51]

Does not matter if you want SS in or out at this point because he is not going anywhere at present nor should he.

Yesterday was unacceptable  by both the players and Manager and that will go on for only a certain length of time.

The board also need to take a good deal of flak in the way they have run the club these last three years. Yes they have ploughed many millions into the club, but that has mainly come from bringing a complete new management team in and replacing the old one, and backing the old manager in the transfer market when he had run out of ideas. These players are currently not it seems in SS plans and the club are losing serious money every passing week they are on the books.

SS brought in 400k more than he spent on transfer fees this summer on trying to turn the team around. If the club had backed him with the extra 500k to bring Kenny in we may have been having these debates but we never we brought Burstow in who will have a decent career in the lower leagues but this year is all about learning for him, just the same as TSL ,Conway. Gale and ACD.

SS has some big calls this next week or two.

The first should be to sort a keeper out ASAP. Get three in midfield and play with only one winger home and away and either bring in a new forward or put Mcatee upside Burstow.

I like one or two more have said we have too many players not invested in the team and they know there futures will be elsewhere

[deeane Koontz]

Stay. For now

See how the coming months pan out.

Hardly filled with confidence in him at the moment. Hopefully he can sort it out sharpish.

It's going to be an important month for him. System/personnel rethink or persist? Transfers plus Wigan next and Stevenage following with their games in hand. 

We'll also see what the players are made of, go hiding like the fannies of yesteryear or stand up and have a set of bollocks.

[Lostock Whites]

26 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

But have you researched which L1 goalkeepers we should sign instead?

Not really my job is it.

But whatever your opinion is, the goalkeeper has undoubtedly cost us at least 10 points or so from errors or poor positioning in games where we have been mostly on top (Mansfield, Blackpool, Leyton Orient, Barnsley etc.) 

Miller isn't great either, but I hardly blame him for the utter dross we have been playing recently.

The same goes for Johnston. He's been at the club now for what, 5 years? He would be prone to errors back then and is still the same now. He's just not good enough. Okay he likes a big tackle and gives 100% but he's not good enough. He's woeful on the ball, gives it away countless times and is incredibly uncomposed. Looks like a nervous wreck and accident waiting to happen.

I think even in the Mansfield game, he could have had more composure but instead unnecessarily put it out for a corner, low and behold, they score straight from it. 

I think if we take TSL & Johnston out of the defence we take out the vast majority of defensive errors we make per match.

Again I'll reiterate, yes they're league 1 players, they're going to make mistakes. But these 2 in particular and the attackers are simply making one too many errors.

[Zog1]

14 hours ago, tomski said:

I’m amazed how quickly people are turning on schuey, bearing in mind the majority gave Evatt the keys to the kingdom. We’re 6th.

Yeah and they were idiots for doing that. 

[L/H White]

I'm leaning towards yes 

Fully in reverse now 

Those subs before half time, fully lost his head 

[Zico]

He's a funny one for me, can't figure it out

So he comes in, takes us an immense run showing great in game nous and got us thinking of top 2 let alone top 6

Then we went off form drastically 

I understand some players were on the beach etc, but those same players still took us on that run

This season was a slow and steady start, we could see issues at both ends of the pitch but we got by and things picked up with a really good run

And now it's dipped drastically again

Something needs to change. 

I'm sure it won't be the manager, but I think it's on him and not the players this time

[gonzo]

1 hour ago, Zico said:

He's a funny one for me, can't figure it out

So he comes in, takes us an immense run showing great in game nous and got us thinking of top 2 let alone top 6

Then we went off form drastically 

I understand some players were on the beach etc, but those same players still took us on that run

This season was a slow and steady start, we could see issues at both ends of the pitch but we got by and things picked up with a really good run

And now it's dipped drastically again

Something needs to change. 

I'm sure it won't be the manager, but I think it's on him and not the players this time

I agree system wise and like for like subs but he can't make Dalby score that last week or Burstow yesterday/Northampton.

He can't make GJ not turn into prime Joey Deacon yesterday.

He must be pulling his hair out at some of the mistakes and under par performances our players are making.

You can tell by the way he lost his shit with Gale yesterday.

The players have a lot to answer for. He seems at a loss on how to fix it hence a different team every week.

He may as well go nuclear now and got 3 CBs and fuck the wingers off completely.

It's his last chance with this set of lads.

[W.cramp]

I ain't one for getting deep but looking back we hit a perfect storm,  burstow stopped scoring first and then about a month ago the one we are over reliant on to score duberry went off the boil leaving us pretty bare on goalscorers.   Going further back to summer and the missed striker targets has took a big chunk out of our arse,   in games I think any team can have a shit game or 3 but if you have someone who cam find the net then you always have a chance to get something out of a game.    At the minute we dont have anybody and we just have to hope this grind ends very soon,  duberry finds form, one goes in off burstows arse and  confidence is rebuilt.    (Kind of clutching I know)

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 hours ago, SalCity Biggie said:

True, but at least it looks like you've thought about it and looked at alternatives and then made a suggestion. Just wanting someone out due to frustration (not saying that's not allowed) doesn't feel like it's been properly thought out and whilst it's not our decision to make those appointments as you've said, it just doesn't feel like a properly thought out thing. I think what I'm trying to say is that it's easy to say you want someone gone, but not much though or research is done to look into alternatives 

It's not us that have the job of looking for someone else.

We can offer our ideas, but we wouldn't all agree.

It's the responsibility of the board to move the club forward.

If that means keeping a manager, or getting rid, so be it.

 

[Rizlar]

SS needs to be given more time but he as to sort it out and try and bring in a couple of players 1 being a striker. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

14 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I agree system wise and like for like subs but he can't make Dalby score that last week or Burstow yesterday/Northampton.

He can't make GJ not turn into prime Joey Deacon yesterday.

He must be pulling his hair out at some of the mistakes and under par performances our players are making.

You can tell by the way he lost his shit with Gale yesterday.

The players have a lot to answer for. He seems at a loss on how to fix it hence a different team every week.

He may as well go nuclear now and got 3 CBs and fuck the wingers off completely.

It's his last chance with this set of lads.

Get what you're saying, but we invested in Fergal, and other backroom staff to find players.

SS was happy to bring them all in.

I don't think they suddenly fall off a cliff in terms of ability, and for me it is a tactical and commitment issue.

SS himself commented when he came about a bit of a soft underbelly, and it seems to be rearing its head again.

Still down to him to get it right, and he seems to be struggling to do so, and that yesterday doesn't seem likely to help keep players onside when he needs them most.

 

[Tombwfc]

15 minutes ago, W.cramp said:

I ain't one for getting deep but looking back we hit a perfect storm,  burstow stopped scoring first and then about a month ago the one we are over reliant on to score duberry went off the boil leaving us pretty bare on goalscorers.   Going further back to summer and the missed striker targets has took a big chunk out of our arse,   in games I think any team can have a shit game or 3 but if you have someone who cam find the net then you always have a chance to get something out of a game.    At the minute we dont have anybody and we just have to hope this grind ends very soon,  duberry finds form, one goes in off burstows arse and  confidence is rebuilt.    (Kind of clutching I know)

 

To be fair before this season ACD and Burstow had scored 6 career goals in 89 games. That they're on 13 in 40 odd is actually a pretty decent result. Not sure we could've expected much more.

It just never looked like a squad with enough goals in it, which is why I thought Forss could've been a massive signing. But he's been a massive letdown.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

I reckon Forss would be more effective in a better side. 

He got injured at Middlesbrough, and wasn't able to get his place back (iirc, the manager there changed too).

He has shown some classy finishes, but I also reckon he's a victim of the selection wheel of fortune. 

As indeed are the other strikers.

[Zico]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

I agree system wise and like for like subs but he can't make Dalby score that last week or Burstow yesterday/Northampton.

He can't make GJ not turn into prime Joey Deacon yesterday.

He must be pulling his hair out at some of the mistakes and under par performances our players are making.

You can tell by the way he lost his shit with Gale yesterday.

The players have a lot to answer for. He seems at a loss on how to fix it hence a different team every week.

He may as well go nuclear now and got 3 CBs and fuck the wingers off completely.

It's his last chance with this set of lads.

Players miss chances, and have mares, that's part of the game 

Our issue is that we do it on a consistent basis and it's costing us at both ends

I can't figure why we can't find a performance like Wigan at home 

Looking at the line up that day, Forino and Cogley started and they can't get a game now, Simons started with EE which doesn't happen to much, been a lot of combinations, no consistency there

The lads up too that day were Forss, Burstow, Gale and ACD who have all hit bad form at the same time or not even getting picked 

It's like a totally different team that was very good and doing everything right, and is now shit and likely to tumble down the table

And it's the second time it's happened under SS with two very different squads 

[Johnnyrotten]

16 hours ago, SalCity Biggie said:

What I find funny in these types of discussion is that those who want him gone never say who they want in instead.

Not quite true.  I've heard people on here mention Skubala at Lincoln and Dave Challinor quite a few times.  And Kev Nolan.  That's not me saying I want SS gone BTW, but folk do have suggestions and don't have to name them every time they criticise the current manager, the same applied a year ago when it was IE under pressure.

[Zog1]

The reason everyone thinks ACD is great is because of those early performances, where he'd cut in and blast one in from 30 yards. Guess what, everyone else saw that too and doubled up on him and boom the goals stopped. When your tactics are entirly focused on getting the ball to 1 team member, dont be suprised when the other team mark him out of the game.

Our problem is we've never over come that, and that focus on him to get goals, has made him cut inside to shoot even when he should have got to the byline or redistributed the ball for someone else. When's the last time this team has even attacked right through the middle i cant even remember, and that is the fault of tactics.

ACD in a team that isn't entirely focued on getting the ball to him as their sole means of attack is a potent tool.

People having a go at Gale remember under Parkinson how many times did our wingers score in League 1

Sammy Ameobi - 3 

James Henry - 1 

Our tactics right now are insane, and i hear through the grape vine the players think so too. 

Edited January 11 by Zog1

[Johnnyrotten]

7 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

Schu’s not going anywhere so let’s all accept that and see what this week brings. Saturday will probably just hasten departures of those going and hopefully prelude a couple of difference makers in. I fail to believe that our players are as poor as they’ve been recently and we’re just going through one of those spells where everything seems to be going against us. Schuey has accepted he’s made too many changes and in fairness has tried to switch within games but nothing seems to have worked. Nothing changes games like goals and yet again on Saturday we missed chances to put ourselves ahead. Anybody who’s played golf knows that when you’re playing well the hole looks the size of a dustbin and when you’re not it’s like a plug hole, balls bounce into bunkers and instead of over them and that must be how it is for players when in sight of goal so let’s just get behind SS and the guys until our luck changes which hopefully it will at Wigan? 😁

With respect, "let's get behind the players" - you will be the first on here after half an hour at Wigan saying "this is shite, fuck off Dempsey you moron".  You've also just said send all the loan players back and change to 3 at the back.  So not exactly getting behind the manager and current players.  

[Duck Egg]

5 hours ago, masi 51 said:

The board also need to take a good deal of flak in the way they have run the club these last three years. Yes they have ploughed many millions into the club

Bizarre.

[Winchester White]

People who clamour for ex players to be the next manager make my teeth itch. When has it ever worked for any club?

I wouldn't wish the Bolton job on Nolan, let him build a successful career elsewhere.