Sweep Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 It's becoming mor evident that the problem is Bwfc itself #garraudeout So, you're saying that Freedman is a good manager and he was just fucked by the club (Gartside)........which is quite odd considering you spent almost a year saying how shit Freedman was/is. So if Gartside left tomorrow, should we try and get Dougie back? Quote
Casino Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 is that what his latest post tells you i thought his keyboard was fooked Quote
Sweep Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 is that what his latest post tells you i thought his keyboard was fooked In all fairness, Jay has predicted, and been correct on those predictions on a pretty regular basis. He may have spotted something the rest of us have missed........ Quote
waffer cup 07 Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Really. surely its more a case of since we dropped out of the premiership there's more negatives than positives which makes it easy for our resident doom and gloom merchant to hit on them. Yes there was problems under Freedman at Bolton but most of them were of his own making by his weird team selections, formations, substitutions and negative approaches to winnable games. Quote
Spider Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 So... This Phillippe Garraude fellow Why has he got it in for us? Quote
gonzo Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 another big win, today so long as he doesnt have to build a team of loanees and rejects, he'll be reet What on earth do you base this on? He only had to do that during his last season here when it became apparent we were sinking like a bag of cement. He bought in Mortiz. He bough in Garvan. He ignored vela. He also misused a gazillion players that are currently doing well under the new manager. Take your blinkers off man for gods sake. He had more than enough cash and players at his disposal to avoid our two worst starts to a season in our entire history. Quote
tomski Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 It will be interesting to see if he has learned ought from his time at us. Someone told me they beat Bournemouth with 27% possession? If that's true it tells me nowt has been learnt the players will soon think he's a barmpot. His model isn't sustainable to keep a fan base unless winning every week Quote
RUREADY2ROLL Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 It is one of them honeymoon starts; just wait until things settle down and he starts to meddle with things Forest will have their worst start in 100 years next season Quote
Farrelli Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 I think it does show how inept a manager Pearce is. Forest should easily have been in the play off mix this season. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) What on earth do you base this on? He only had to do that during his last season here when it became apparent we were sinking like a bag of cement. He bought in Mortiz. He bough in Garvan. He ignored vela. He also misused a gazillion players that are currently doing well under the new manager. Take your blinkers off man for gods sake. He had more than enough cash and players at his disposal to avoid our two worst starts to a season in our entire history. Worse than all this is the failure to play Zach Clough that decision unforgivable given what a revelation ZC has been. The mans not cut from the right stuff as soon as he's put under pressure he will revert to type and lock himself away. Edited March 1, 2015 by Mounts Kipper Quote
DomRepWanderer Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 He,s living off the misery caused by Pearce, the players he inherited are possibly marginally better than he inherited here, but his undoing will come when injuries and suspensions hit him, this is when the tinkering will start, then and only then will the true Dougie stand up. Quote
snowball Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 He was shit. Plain and simple Correct. And it took me much longer to see it than you. Not as long as some mind. Quote
Guest Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 What on earth do you base this on? He only had to do that during his last season here when it became apparent we were sinking like a bag of cement. He bought in Mortiz. He bough in Garvan. He ignored vela. He also misused a gazillion players that are currently doing well under the new manager. Take your blinkers off man for gods sake. He had more than enough cash and players at his disposal to avoid our two worst starts to a season in our entire history. It is a little more complex than that. He had to cut costs and reduce contracts whilst there will still big earners strutting round. I doubt it was an easy task. I suspect Forest might be an easier club to manage right now. But Freedman clearly was far too arrogant in the way he handled things here. How, he could not see that Vela would add something to the side over some of the dross he played is beyond me. Clough is more understandable as even Lennon didn't just throw him in immediately. But Vela physically is capable and that is evident. Perhaps there was just a clash of personalities between Freedman and people at Bolton that ultimately made it a failure. It happens. I'm not sure though that every idea Freedman had was a bad one though and he may do well at Forest. Coyle was ultimately revealed as well meaning but absolutely clueless and there is no way he is a real manager. Freedman may well end up as being the opposite, calculating and self interested, but possibly a decent manager underneath it all. Time will tell. Quote
COYW Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 It is a little more complex than that. He had to cut costs and reduce contracts whilst there will still big earners strutting round. I doubt it was an easy task. I suspect Forest might be an easier club to manage right now. Coyle was ultimately revealed as well meaning but absolutely clueless and there is no way he is a real manager. Freedman may well end up as being the opposite, calculating and self interested, but possibly a decent manager underneath it all. Time will tell. He cut costs because we didn't renew the contracts of players who were out of contract and who other clubs wanted. It's not that difficult. He replaced these players by spending the best part of £4M. He also signed a player on 'eye watering' wages. His three biggest signings are currently out on loan at other clubs. Considering Coyle wasn't a 'real manager' and apparently Dougie is, how do you explain his lack of success compared to Coyle's relative success at St. Johnstone, Burnley and initially with us? Quote
Youri McAnespie Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 Which is best/worst, catshit or dogshit? Quote
jules_darby Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 He cut costs because we didn't renew the contracts of players who were out of contract and who other clubs wanted. It's not that difficult. He replaced these players by spending the best part of £4M. He also signed a player on 'eye watering' wages. His three biggest signings are currently out on loan at other clubs. Considering Coyle wasn't a 'real manager' and apparently Dougie is, how do you explain his lack of success compared to Coyle's relative success at St. Johnstone, Burnley and initially with us? Well in fairness to Dougie, he's been a Manager for much less time than Coyle. I'd also say he currently has a role that is higher calibre However, this praising Dougie for cutting costs is bollocks; it wasn't a grand plan he came up with, he just had to do it. We could have got Fat Frank in to manage and he'd have had the same conditions. Yes it made the role more difficult for sure; but he hardly deserves praise. I actually think he may well turn out to be decent in the long run, but for BWFC he was pap Quote
Guest Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 He cut costs because we didn't renew the contracts of players who were out of contract and who other clubs wanted. It's not that difficult. He replaced these players by spending the best part of £4M. He also signed a player on 'eye watering' wages. His three biggest signings are currently out on loan at other clubs. Considering Coyle wasn't a 'real manager' and apparently Dougie is, how do you explain his lack of success compared to Coyle's relative success at St. Johnstone, Burnley and initially with us? It is early days in Freedmans career. He probably wishes he'd stayed at Palace. Time will tell as I say. Coyle clearly got through on enthusiasm and good will alone initially, but that only takes you so far. You've actually got to know what you're doing after that and clearly he didn't. Quote
COYW Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 It is early days in Freedmans career. He probably wishes he'd stayed at Palace. Time will tell as I say. Coyle clearly got through on enthusiasm and good will alone initially, but that only takes you so far. You've actually got to know what you're doing after that and clearly he didn't. Yes it is early days. He hasn't had the opportunity to relegate anyone yet. Time will tell. So all the success Coyle had at Burnley was purely down to 'enthusiasm and good will'? Keeping us up in the first season and taking us to an FA Cup semi-final, as well as keeping us in the top half of the Premier League for most of it, that was all down to enthusiasm and good will? That's a period of around 3-4 seasons. I'd say there was a bit more to it than enthusiasm and good will. Quote
Guest Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 Yes it is early days. He hasn't had the opportunity to relegate anyone yet. Time will tell. So all the success Coyle had at Burnley was purely down to 'enthusiasm and good will'? Keeping us up in the first season and taking us to an FA Cup semi-final, as well as keeping us in the top half of the Premier League for most of it, that was all down to enthusiasm and good will? That's a period of around 3-4 seasons. I'd say there was a bit more to it than enthusiasm and good will. He clearly could motivate people. But the tactical cluelessness caught up with him eventually. End of the day there are plenty of managers who have taken sides up from the championship that aren't actually good managers. Ian Holloway as an example. In fact Holloway is similar to Coyle. When things are on a roll and momentum is there he is fine. But when situations are tricky and it needs something fixing he looks out of his depth. Quote
Zico Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 Yes it is early days. He hasn't had the opportunity to relegate anyone yet. Time will tell. So all the success Coyle had at Burnley was purely down to 'enthusiasm and good will'? Keeping us up in the first season and taking us to an FA Cup semi-final, as well as keeping us in the top half of the Premier League for most of it, that was all down to enthusiasm and good will? That's a period of around 3-4 seasons. I'd say there was a bit more to it than enthusiasm and good will. with Coyle, I think he inherited a technically sound squad from Megson who had clearly been well drilled, so he brought his enthusiasm and everyone was happy and able to play their game chuck in some good loanes like whishere and sturridge and a smart player like holden and it makes life a lot easier but when the better players left/got injured and he was left to bring in his own like eagles, mears, reo coker, ngog etc and expected them to get by on table tennis and 5 a side alone, he was found out because from day one, he had no interest in the tactical side of things - but, for a while, it worked Quote
COYW Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 End of the day there are plenty of managers who have taken sides up from the championship that aren't actually good managers. That just sounds like a convoluted attempt to make Dougie's track record look better than it actually is. Quote
jules_darby Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 I'm pretty sure we are in the middle of a debate between Freedman and Coyle's respective agents here.... Quote
Guest Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 That just sounds like a convoluted attempt to make Dougie's track record look better than it actually is. It was a comment about Coyle. But with Freedman it is early days. He either uses his experience he got at Palace and here and does well at Forest or he doesn't. If he flops there its end of the road time for his career. Or the MLS! Quote
onlyoneawalker Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 Fullarton arrived at Forest yet? That's usually the beginning of the end Quote
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