Ani Posted January 22 Posted January 22 1 hour ago, kent_white said: It is. But I still think the majority of Reform voters won't care. They just want their man in. And to hell with anything that requires them to take their blinkers off. Imagine Reform in charge if the tides turn (as they well could). Stuck out in the middle of the Atlantic with the Dems back in charge in the US and an EU which now views the UK with suspicion, and not a reliable partner. It'll be a right mess. But at least we'll stop the boats. Right? The flip side of this ironically is that Reform type parties are receiving support across Europe. So support could come from there. What will be interesting is if Reform try and temper some of their more radical views that could alienate their base. Some are already pissed off with the defectors being welcomed with open arms. Trump supporters will try and justify his words tonight by saying it is all about the outcome so ignore the words. Quote
Zico Posted January 23 Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: Reform's peaked Where have you been anyway? Thought you'd quietly made your exit Quote
Zico Posted January 23 Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Winchester White said: How the fuck does a bloke who has so many bankruptcies, felonies and now more and more frequent mental mishaps (and makeup mistakes) still have people worshipping him? It is extremely weird and subservient behaviour from his base. He tells it like it is Or like his fans think it is Quote
Zico Posted January 23 Posted January 23 Both parties need to get some one a bit younger back in charge Biden and Trump both 78 when they last won That's far too old to be taking on a 4 year gig where you've got to be on it every single day Quote
kent_white Posted January 23 Posted January 23 26 minutes ago, Ani said: The flip side of this ironically is that Reform type parties are receiving support across Europe. So support could come from there. What will be interesting is if Reform try and temper some of their more radical views that could alienate their base. Some are already pissed off with the defectors being welcomed with open arms. Trump supporters will try and justify his words tonight by saying it is all about the outcome so ignore the words. Yeah - I think the western world is approaching an massively important fork in the road. Especially in Europe. Arguably there's a better argument now for closer integration and a some sort of European defense force than there has ever been since the inception of the EU. But it could just as easily slip into a rapid decline with less cooperation. It's a fascinating (if slightly troubling) time to live through. I've been saying for quite some time now that I'm surprised that the future of our armed forces isn't higher up on people's collective agenda. We need to sort ourselves out now. We can't rely on the US any longer - not with this current administration. I feel like we're vulnerable. But a post colonial Britain - outside of the EU and in a world of superpowers trying to flex their muscles is going to need some real firepower if we're going to retain any global influence. Quote
Spider Posted January 23 Posted January 23 6 hours ago, kent_white said: Yeah - I think the western world is approaching an massively important fork in the road. Especially in Europe. Arguably there's a better argument now for closer integration and a some sort of European defense force than there has ever been since the inception of the EU. But it could just as easily slip into a rapid decline with less cooperation. It's a fascinating (if slightly troubling) time to live through. I've been saying for quite some time now that I'm surprised that the future of our armed forces isn't higher up on people's collective agenda. We need to sort ourselves out now. We can't rely on the US any longer - not with this current administration. I feel like we're vulnerable. But a post colonial Britain - outside of the EU and in a world of superpowers trying to flex their muscles is going to need some real firepower if we're going to retain any global influence. The problem is that your average reform voter thinks that because we won some wars a hundred years ago we still have a military that’s the best in the world. we have a magnificent set of boys and girls in the armed forces, but from what I’ve read we need 3 or 4 times more to be self sufficient and able to defend ourselves. Reform voters probably think we still have hangars full of spitfires we can use to pummel the hun into submission and all be home in time for ale and cricket. They get all dewy-eyed as the 8th pint of carling goes down, reminiscing about past glories and convinced they’d be repeated if anything kicked off tomorrow. Not that they’d be getting their hands dirty, with their high blood pressure and gout. Quote
boltonboris Posted January 23 Posted January 23 (edited) 7 hours ago, Ani said: The flip side of this ironically is that Reform type parties are receiving support across Europe. So support could come from there. What will be interesting is if Reform try and temper some of their more radical views that could alienate their base. Some are already pissed off with the defectors being welcomed with open arms. Trump supporters will try and justify his words tonight by saying it is all about the outcome so ignore the words. It’s actual US policy to push for a reform government. Via their social media and tech companies they’ll try and interfere with our elections. Anything’s possible with a bot farm, unregulated AI and a despot Edited January 23 by boltonboris Quote
green genie Posted January 23 Posted January 23 10 minutes ago, boltonboris said: It’s actual US policy to push for a reform government. Via their social media and tech companies they’ll try and interfere with our elections. Anything’s possible with a bot farm, unregulated AI and a despot You forgot Elon. Quote
boltonboris Posted January 23 Posted January 23 Just now, green genie said: You forgot Elon. He’s their social media guru, tech juggernaut and bot farm ceo Quote
Bertie Posted January 23 Posted January 23 (edited) 14 minutes ago, boltonboris said: It’s actual US policy to push for a reform government. Via their social media and tech companies they’ll try and interfere with our elections. Anything’s possible with a bot farm, unregulated AI and a despot Spot on. You only have to look at the racist garbage spouted by Musk. Same is true all over Europe, undermining democracy and pushing right-wing populist agendas. Largely by blaming minorities to divide electorates. Same tactics the Nazis used. Edited January 23 by Bertie Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 23 Posted January 23 9 hours ago, kent_white said: It is. But I still think the majority of Reform voters won't care. They just want their man in. And to hell with anything that requires them to take their blinkers off. Imagine Reform in charge if the tides turn (as they well could). Stuck out in the middle of the Atlantic with the Dems back in charge in the US and an EU which now views the UK with suspicion, and not a reliable partner. It'll be a right mess. But at least we'll stop the boats. Right? I think you're wrong. Big style. What so many seem to miss, is that loads of reform voters are traditional red wall voters. Not a matter of left and right, but just ordinary folk pissed off with the big two for fucking their towns up, reducing standard of living, and crushing the notion of speaking openly without being accused of some "ism" or other. The blinkered ones are those who utter those condemnation at every turn, whilst turning a blind eye to the absolute carnage being imposed on society, because they can't admit their ideology isn't working. Farage hasn't seen that, and has run with it. Reform won't satisfy all its potential voters, as they will have some policy or other that they won't fully agree on. Nevertheless, they will accept that, as the others haven't delivered before, and are failing even more dramatically now. Had they pulled their fingers out of their ears, listened and observed, Reform would be a little fringe party at best,and may not exist at all. It may not last for that long neither if some future merging of minds happens. Until then, the thick, blinkered, ignorant people may just get to use that wonderful thing called democracy to get the change they crave. That is of course, if there aren't further efforts to curb voters' fundamental rights. Quote
wakey Posted January 23 Posted January 23 Trump says he's honoured that "they" invited him to be chairman of his board of peace. He's so fucking fake. Anyway, look forward to him inviting himself to be chairman of the newly formed boards of Truth, Love, and Plenty. Quote
Spider Posted January 23 Posted January 23 With any luck that’s a blood clot on the back of his hand that’s planning on heading towards his fucking brain Quote
green genie Posted January 23 Posted January 23 11 minutes ago, Spider said: With any luck that’s a blood clot on the back of his hand that’s planning on heading towards his fucking brain Fittest man ever blamed it on his daily aspirin. Bumped a table and bruised because of aspirin. Worth it for it’s ability to regrow his ear like the lizard creature he is Quote
royal white Posted January 23 Posted January 23 What’s Starmers take on all of this? The Don has clearly fucked up here and offended those lads lasses who served in Afghanistan. Has our leader put him straight? I can’t find anything online. Quote
kent_white Posted January 23 Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I think you're wrong. Big style. What so many seem to miss, is that loads of reform voters are traditional red wall voters. Not a matter of left and right, but just ordinary folk pissed off with the big two for fucking their towns up, reducing standard of living, and crushing the notion of speaking openly without being accused of some "ism" or other. The blinkered ones are those who utter those condemnation at every turn, whilst turning a blind eye to the absolute carnage being imposed on society, because they can't admit their ideology isn't working. Farage hasn't seen that, and has run with it. Reform won't satisfy all its potential voters, as they will have some policy or other that they won't fully agree on. Nevertheless, they will accept that, as the others haven't delivered before, and are failing even more dramatically now. Had they pulled their fingers out of their ears, listened and observed, Reform would be a little fringe party at best,and may not exist at all. It may not last for that long neither if some future merging of minds happens. Until then, the thick, blinkered, ignorant people may just get to use that wonderful thing called democracy to get the change they crave. That is of course, if there aren't further efforts to curb voters' fundamental rights. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one my friend. Maybe I was exaggerating a little 'the majority' won't care. I suppose what I meant was - a lot won't care, and a lot will care but not enough for them to change their voting intentions. I still see Reform as being a protest vote really (and I can understand why people want to protest) - but I don't see them as being a competent solution to anything. Certainly nothing has given me that impression anyway. And I could probably bring myself to vote for a right wing party - IF they could spell out a coherent vision for the future that seemed fair and reasonable - and they looked like they had a capable team. I just don't see that in Reform. Like I've said before on here. I'm more of a pragmatist than the idealist that I perhaps was in my younger days. Quote
Not in Crawley Posted January 23 Posted January 23 44 minutes ago, royal white said: What’s Starmers take on all of this? The Don has clearly fucked up here and offended those lads lasses who served in Afghanistan. Has our leader put him straight? I can’t find anything online. Golden Don makes himself look daft and you still find a way of making this about Kier Starmer. You are great value at times like this. Quote
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted January 23 Posted January 23 10 hours ago, Zico said: Where have you been anyway? Thought you'd quietly made your exit Nowhere really I was just busy with other things and got out of the habit Quote
royal white Posted January 23 Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said: Golden Don makes himself look daft and you still find a way of making this about Kier Starmer. You are great value at times like this. Pretty much everyone can see the Don has fucked up here. He’s pretty much slagged off 100s of dead and injured British troops, most people would think now would be a good time for this countries leader to stand up for those people, his Hugh Grant moment. Nothing. A look on his Twitter just shows numerous lies and welcoming back some Egyptian Terror guy. Quote
waffer cup 07 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 For someone who has dodged draft, to fight numerous times, these are truely shocking comments. But it just shows when you an idiot with dementia you will say anything. Quote
Winchester White Posted January 23 Posted January 23 9 minutes ago, royal white said: Pretty much everyone can see the Don has fucked up here. He’s pretty much slagged off 100s of dead and injured British troops, most people would think now would be a good time for this countries leader to stand up for those people, his Hugh Grant moment. Nothing. A look on his Twitter just shows numerous lies and welcoming back some Egyptian Terror guy. To be fair I would be surprised to see him make a statement on X about it but he might yet. A minister has already said Starmer will talk directly to Trump about it which is the way it should be done really. Top deflection by the way, well done 😁 Quote
royal white Posted January 23 Posted January 23 Just now, Winchester White said: To be fair I would be surprised to see him make a statement on X about it but he might yet. A minister has already said Starmer will talk directly to Trump about it which is the way it should be done really. Top deflection by the way, well done 😁 Absolutely no deflection. Everyone knows he’s said wrong, now is the time to time for our leader to stick up for his country. Do you honestly think Starmer is going to get on the blower and put him straight? No doubt Starmer is going to get asked this question soon in interviews, let’s hope he grows some balls before then. Quote
Winchester White Posted January 23 Posted January 23 7 minutes ago, royal white said: Absolutely no deflection. Everyone knows he’s said wrong, now is the time to time for our leader to stick up for his country. Do you honestly think Starmer is going to get on the blower and put him straight? No doubt Starmer is going to get asked this question soon in interviews, let’s hope he grows some balls before then. It is a deflection. 😁 Anyway, you want the PM to post a tweet about it, fair enough. Quote
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