Members bolty58 Posted March 26, 2019 Members Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 hours ago, birch-chorley said: I’m not sure that the majority of the electorate give a fuck about the issue any more, most people switched off years ago I think the next election will play out like the last one, it will be a question of how many false promises can Corbyn make without the masses seeing through it Brexit will be about the 24th bullet point on the Labour manifesto Plenty of the 61 seats won’t give a shite about Brexit, they will vote Corbyn as it’s the anti establishment vote, a vote for change, like BREXIT was in 2016 ...and then, for the first time ever, I will be 100% glad I don't live there any more. He would completely fuck the UK and I happen to believe that Labour would get slaughtered in a GE with him at the helm because most people realise that he's a throwback to Cold War socialism and sympathises with anti British terrorists. If you think businesses are getting out because of Brexit uncertainty, just wait until the great nationaliser gets his way. You will be fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deane koontz Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I'm confident the grand wizards can sort all of this out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 34 minutes ago, deane koontz said: I'm confident the grand wizards can sort all of this out. The usual suspects on twitter have gone into full meltdown about this. With David Lammy (obviously) taking the lead roll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 4 hours ago, bolty58 said: ...and then, for the first time ever, I will be 100% glad I don't live there any more. He would completely fuck the UK and I happen to believe that Labour would get slaughtered in a GE with him at the helm because most people realise that he's a throwback to Cold War socialism and sympathises with anti British terrorists. If you think businesses are getting out because of Brexit uncertainty, just wait until the great nationaliser gets his way. You will be fucked. Most people don’t know what the Cold War was Likewise they didn’t have a clue what the customs union was when they voted in 2016 Corbyn will do well in the up coming GE, he will offer the moon on a stick and the masses won’t see through it. It will be like £350m a week to the NHS but on steroids. A weakened Conservative party might just let him in I hope not for the record, however if he does win then I guess you will be telling people to get behind him and honour the election result as you have with the referendum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 4 hours ago, bolty58 said: ...and then, for the first time ever, I will be 100% glad I don't live there any more. He would completely fuck the UK and I happen to believe that Labour would get slaughtered in a GE with him at the helm because most people realise that he's a throwback to Cold War socialism and sympathises with anti British terrorists. If you think businesses are getting out because of Brexit uncertainty, just wait until the great nationaliser gets his way. You will be fucked. There’s added motivation to vote the right way people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: Most people don’t know what the Cold War was Likewise they didn’t have a clue what the customs union was when they voted in 2016 Corbyn will do well in the up coming GE, he will offer the moon on a stick and the masses won’t see through it. It will be like £350m a week to the NHS but on steroids. A weakened Conservative party might just let him in I hope not for the record, however if he does win then I guess you will be telling people to get behind him and honour the election result as you have with the referendum? Nothing needs to be honoured again given last nights debacle in the HOC. And that’s the problem. Edited March 26, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, birch-chorley said: Most people don’t know what the Cold War was Likewise they didn’t have a clue what the customs union was when they voted in 2016 Corbyn will do well in the up coming GE, he will offer the moon on a stick and the masses won’t see through it. It will be like £350m a week to the NHS but on steroids. A weakened Conservative party might just let him in I hope not for the record, however if he does win then I guess you will be telling people to get behind him and honour the election result as you have with the referendum? I fail to see Corbyn doing well although one thing is for sure that his ineptitude is once again covered up by the absolutely shambolic Tory party more interested in fighting each other than anyone else. What is needed all round is some straight leadership. No grandstanding. Someone to coax the deal through. May is absolutely useless. I think she wins the award of actually being more hopeless than Corbyn. The problem is now however, that everything is so divided that any leader will be seen as either "pro" or "anti" Brexit. Even Gove was being talked down by the ERG since he is now totally against a no deal Brexit and I suspect deep down against Brexit full stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I think a GE would be close. Corbyn would get traction for his anti-establishment stance and for promising the world but mainly as an alternative to the shambolic Conservative party. I don't think he'd quite do enough though (thankfully). I still look back to Labour's decision to back Ed rather than David Miliband and can't help but think it was one of the worst political decisions in recent times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said: I think a GE would be close. Corbyn would get traction for his anti-establishment stance and for promising the world but mainly as an alternative to the shambolic Conservative party. I don't think he'd quite do enough though (thankfully). I still look back to Labour's decision to back Ed rather than David Miliband and can't help but think it was one of the worst political decisions in recent times. Agree re election analysis. I think we'd end up where we are now with a few seats here or there...which could be a disaster if the Tories couldn't even command a majority with the DUP...imagine that? Ed Miliband was a solid ideas man. He couldn't present them. A lot of his ideas have become Tory policy! Funny old world. Edited March 26, 2019 by bwfcfan5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted March 26, 2019 Members Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, birch-chorley said: Most people don’t know what the Cold War was Likewise they didn’t have a clue what the customs union was when they voted in 2016 Corbyn will do well in the up coming GE, he will offer the moon on a stick and the masses won’t see through it. It will be like £350m a week to the NHS but on steroids. A weakened Conservative party might just let him in I hope not for the record, however if he does win then I guess you will be telling people to get behind him and honour the election result as you have with the referendum? Now you're just being fucking silly. I will be urging an insurrection to minimise the amount of time the fanatic holds power to minimise the damage. You are falling into the trap of attempting to compare a one off referendum with a relatively fixed term, periodic General Election. Also silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 14 minutes ago, bolty58 said: Now you're just being fucking silly. I will be urging an insurrection to minimise the amount of time the fanatic holds power to minimise the damage. You are falling into the trap of attempting to compare a one off referendum with a relatively fixed term, periodic General Election. Also silly. I know that you want to pick and choose, but the will of the people is the will of the people. Though people can change their minds.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted March 26, 2019 Moderators Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: Nothing needs to be honoured again given last nights debacle in the HOC. And that’s the problem. sovereignty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 26, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted March 26, 2019 Lots of hot air from last night. Does anything really change though? Indicative votes are just that, but not binding. Government doesn't have to take any notice. What will they reveal? A labour plan that isn't acceptable to the EU, and won't get through parliament. A possible intermediate plan that probably won't get through parliament. Another referendum vote maybe, one that's already been voted down. No deal is still the legal default. Needs removing legally which indicative voting does not do. IF May has a chance to to get her deal through by resigning, then surely she'll take it- perhaps she was planning to go anyhow, or if not, certainly before the next election. An election which, at this rate, will happen before any trade deal is completed! What a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 24 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Indicative votes are just that, but not binding. Neither was the referendum 💣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 40 minutes ago, Casino said: sovereignty I look forward to the backlash of democracy from the people. Bring it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted March 26, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted March 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, kent_white said: Neither was the referendum 💣 I think you needed a mic drop emoji rather than a Danger Mouse type bomb. But the sentiment remains. (see what I did there) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Rees Mogg now backs the deal - saying "its better than not leaving". Having previously said "the deal is worse than remaining". Surely people can see through the lies? They are just so transparent. Anyhow, sounds like a lot of the ERG have realised either they back the deal this week or we don't leave the EU. Wonder if enough have realised in time or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) What a fucking farce. The fact people are actually thinking Corbyn could win an election is surely the clearest sign that this a clusterfuck. Edited March 26, 2019 by Ani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted March 26, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted March 26, 2019 The deal will get through I reckon. May will resign Gove will take the rudder It’ll be shit and no-one will know who’s “won” so both sides will claim some sort of victory because, let’s face it, this whole Unifuck has turned into verbal trench warfare and no one will back down. To save face. And then the incessant bickering will continue forever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Spider said: The deal will get through I reckon. May will resign Gove will take the rudder It’ll be shit and no-one will know who’s “won” so both sides will claim some sort of victory because, let’s face it, this whole Unifuck has turned into verbal trench warfare and no one will back down. To save face. And then the incessant bickering will continue forever And the grim reality is that everyone has lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Bill Cash (member of ERG) is being interviewed on 5L now. He will not back TM's withdrawal deal. He says the UK will be subjected to future EU legislation without any recourse from our own parliament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Bill Cash (member of ERG) is being interviewed on 5L now. He will not back TM's withdrawal deal. He says the UK will be subjected to future EU legislation without any recourse from our own parliament. He's a certifiable loon though..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Bill Cash (member of ERG) is being interviewed on 5L now. He will not back TM's withdrawal deal. He says the UK will be subjected to future EU legislation without any recourse from our own parliament. He will be the last one to vote for the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 JRM is a special kind of twat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 According to the BBC - only 6% of people surveyed now think we'll end up with a good deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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