Site Supporter Winchester White Posted September 17, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 17, 2020 The missus cam off her night shift in A&E yesterday to say there was a 6-8 hour wait it was that busy (not Bolton). She said at least half shouldn't be there and should have gone to their GP. Problem is the dept is separated in red and green areas for covid so they are lacking room. Also cunts who rock up at hospital with a fucking boil on their arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 17, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, Winchester White said: The missus cam off her night shift in A&E yesterday to say there was a 6-8 hour wait it was that busy (not Bolton). She said at least half shouldn't be there and should have gone to their GP. Problem is the dept is separated in red and green areas for covid so they are lacking room. Also cunts who rock up at hospital with a fucking boil on their arse. Can you not just put some germolene on your boil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter superjohnmcginlay Posted September 17, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 17, 2020 39 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Stories of large gathering in the North east, and a coach load of cock ends from Wales going to Doncaster races, calling at several boozers. Plenty of positive tests among the latter. No bloody wonder cases and demand for tests is rising. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/16/south-wales-covid-outbreak-blamed-on-trip-to-doncaster-races Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted September 17, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Spider said: Over 100 people turned up at A&E in Bolton yesterday trying to get tested. Part of me thinks it’s down to the world class testing system Most of me thinks people aren’t all that keen on going to work. They're managing to process about 250k tests a day.. 3-4k are positive.. That's a heck of a lot of negatives.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 17, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, only1swanny said: They're managing to process about 250k tests a day.. 3-4k are positive.. That's a heck of a lot of negatives.. It is I still see no reason to close schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted September 17, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 17, 2020 Just now, Spider said: It is I still see no reason to close schools. I could list handfuls of reasons, but without the insight into how schools work, how children learn and how this is causing a huge spanner in the educational wheel, the replies I'll get will be "schools don't need to shut". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 17, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, only1swanny said: I could list handfuls of reasons, but without the insight into how schools work, how children learn and how this is causing a huge spanner in the educational wheel, the replies I'll get will be "schools don't need to shut". I just can't see the benefit of my kids missing more education at such a critical time for them. It's just got to be worth the risk. Got to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted September 17, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 17, 2020 I wonder how many of these kids are in hospital with their illness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted September 17, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Spider said: I just can't see the benefit of my kids missing more education at such a critical time for them. It's just got to be worth the risk. Got to be. Honestly. Ideal world keep them in. We've closed for year 10's today as we had a confirmed case yesterday, it's pretty much impossible to track and trace with 300 kids in that year group, added to that is that they have friends outside the year group bubble, we can control in school but if they walk to school or hang around with others outside, beyond schools control. So that kid (who also will not have social distanced at lunch etc) could have infected loads in that year group, so the school has to send them all back. I'm lucky to work in a nice spacious school, it's still small and impossible to SD inside, but some schools are tiny in comparison. Take Little Lever for example. the corridors are 2m wide, and when they get busy, it's manic at the best of times. The school was built for about 500 kids it now houses over 1000, infections are going to be bumped around. The other issue is teachers. A lot have underlying illnesses, both myself and Mrs Swanny have underlying illnesses. That's coupled with being in a room with 30 teenagers for an hour, having to deal with kids suddenly presenting symptoms, touch points everywhere etc. All the hand washing and sanitiser can't cope with that. Hospitals have proper ppe, we don't. It's easy to say oh but it's low risk, once you know someone close who has had it badly, and in my case, know someone who it's killed.. you begin to understand why all the precautions are in place. But also you can see all the people who don't get it and don't follow rules, even simple ones such as wearing a mask indoors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted September 17, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Horwich said: I wonder how many of these kids are in hospital with their illness? Very few, but they'll take the virus home to parents that can then pass it on.. Kids are great spreaders... listed from the latest covid 19 study.. Those aren't the symptoms listed by public health england, and also not what teachers are watching for. The study has been done across millions of people across the world.. https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/back-to-school "With children heading back to school this week it is important that parents and teachers are aware of all the symptoms that children might present with to make the right decision when it comes to sending them back to the classroom. The research highlighted that children display a different range of symptoms compared to the overall adult population. The top five symptoms in school aged children who test positive for COVID are; fatigue (55%) headache (53%), fever (49%), sore throat (38%) and loss of appetite (35%). This was different compared to the App’s data on adults; fatigue (87%), headache (72%), loss of smell (60%), persistent cough (54%) and sore throat (49%). In addition to this, research from the app has also found that one in six (15%) children who test positive for COVID also present with an unusual skin rash." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masi 51 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Fact in November December of this year 40/50 million people are going to get the symptoms of covid 19 It is called the common cold. What do we do then shut the country completly down,go into complete lockdown. Tough choices should be made and that for me is to protect the elderly and those with underlying health issues. The rest need to man up and get through this winter the best we personally see fit. Some wont socialise others wont wear masks while others wont even social distance. This virus wont go away until a safe vaccine is found. Unfortunatly it is everyman for themselves and common sense when around others will get us through this. Local lockdowns are just adding to the economy being dismantled step by step Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, masi 51 said: Fact in November December of this year 40/50 million people are going to get the symptoms of covid 19 It is called the common cold. What do we do then shut the country completly down,go into complete lockdown. Tough choices should be made and that for me is to protect the elderly and those with underlying health issues. The rest need to man up and get through this winter the best we personally see fit. Some wont socialise others wont wear masks while others wont even social distance. This virus wont go away until a safe vaccine is found. Unfortunatly it is everyman for themselves and common sense when around others will get us through this. Local lockdowns are just adding to the economy being dismantled step by step Or make the testing more efficient and better targeted - want kids to stay in school - get them tested. Want your employees in work - get them tested. Want your football stadiums full of fans - get the fans tested, charge them for it Want your planes full of travellers - get them tested, charge them for it It takes 30 mins to get a test result. There's mobile testing units available - £40k each. Employ people to carry out the tests. I'm sure its not as simle as this, but fuck me, it looks like it might be. Bet the prem players dont have to wait 5 days to get a result or have to drive to Hull. Edited September 17, 2020 by peelyfeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: Or make the testing more efficient and better targeted - want kids to stay in school - get them tested. Want your employees in work - get them tested. Want your football stadiums full of fans - get the fans tested, charge them for it Want your planes full of travellers - get them tested, charge them for it It takes 30 mins to get a test result. There's mobile testing units available - £40k each. Employ people to carry out the tests. I'm sure its not as simle as this, but fuck me, it looks like it might be. Bet the prem players dont have to wait 5 days to get a result or have to drive to Hull. No need to test The Don say's we will have a vaccine by mid October or a bit later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masi 51 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: Or make the testing more efficient and better targeted - want kids to stay in school - get them tested. Want your employees in work - get them tested. Want your football stadiums full of fans - get the fans tested, charge them for it Want your planes full of travellers - get them tested, charge them for it It takes 30 mins to get a test result. There's mobile testing units available - £40k each. Employ people to carry out the tests. I'm sure its not as simle as this, but fuck me, it looks like it might be. Bet the prem players dont have to wait 5 days to get a result or have to drive to Hull. you cannot test the whole population weekly......Most people get sniffles,colds every other week in winter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Just now, tyldesley_white said: No need to test The Don say's we will have a vaccine by mid October or a bit later End of October probably, the logistics of roling it out quickly is complex, they reckon they need 8,000 jumbo jets per day to deal with the distribution around the world You need IT moitoring systems, refrigerated transport, ancilliary supplies, 2nd doses within 28 days for some, staff to do all this and administer the vaccines. US health Workers in covid wards will be first, will be several weeks later before it gets to British joe public I bet. just wait and see how the govmt handles it - hope they do it well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, masi 51 said: you cannot test the whole population weekly......Most people get sniffles,colds every other week in winter You don't have to test the whole population weekly, but you could if you really wanted to, and could afford it. You'd target those who need it, or want to pay for it to allow them to do something. Do you reckon if they'd somehow been able to test everyone in East Bolton 3 weeks ago, we might not be where we're at now? Edited September 17, 2020 by peelyfeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-positive-covid-19-tests-double-since-test-and-trace-launch-latest-figures-show-12073898 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted September 17, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 17, 2020 The "it's only a cold" is the new gammon of 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 14 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Although not covered, I wonder if the Middlesbrough 1000 fans trial will be stopped. Maybe https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/sep/17/neil-warnock-tests-positive-for-covid-and-will-miss-middlesbrough-match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Shutting schools is all well and good but if school age kids not in school uniform in Horwich this morning is owt to go by the kids are just out mingling together anyway. Looks like no fucker is properly isolating or making their kids stay home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted September 17, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 17, 2020 41 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: If I have just found another positive to wearing mask at work, you can't smell tramp Students, especially those who fucking reek of BO, and I don't mean big onions! What kind of mask do you use? It isn’t one of the 10 for a few quid if it filters out BO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 17, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 17, 2020 53 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: You don't have to test the whole population weekly, but you could if you really wanted to, and could afford it. You'd target those who need it, or want to pay for it to allow them to do something. Do you reckon if they'd somehow been able to test everyone in East Bolton 3 weeks ago, we might not be where we're at now? Still have the issue of some people not isolating, even after a positive result. There have been cases where hiv positive people have been prosecuted for infecting partners because they didnt tell them of their condition/use protection. Maybe one or two twats want shoeing and make the case high profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 48 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: Maybe https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/sep/17/neil-warnock-tests-positive-for-covid-and-will-miss-middlesbrough-match A little worrying, he's of advanced age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masi 51 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, peelyfeet said: You don't have to test the whole population weekly, but you could if you really wanted to, and could afford it. You'd target those who need it, or want to pay for it to allow them to do something. Do you reckon if they'd somehow been able to test everyone in East Bolton 3 weeks ago, we might not be where we're at now? No we can test the population weekly but it will not matter. It will just give those freedom to carry on with there normal lifestyle until they get symtoms again....repeat etc Shield protect the vulnerable and lets go for herd immunity Edited September 17, 2020 by masi 51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 17, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 17, 2020 42 minutes ago, masi 51 said: No we can test the population weekly but it will not matter. It will just give those freedom to carry on with there normal lifestyle until they get symtoms again....repeat etc Shield protect the vulnerable and lets go for herd immunity 100% this. Said it before, get the over 65's locked up, paid for and safe. Let the rest of have a nasty cough but crack on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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