Another youngster gone

[Traf]

1 hour ago, masi 51 said:

nope...just a lad who started playing at primary school in the 60s....Ended playing when i was 38 in the Vets league

Football been a passion all my life...can i see a player certainly....i am seldom wrong

You seem to try and belittle me sweep......tell me about your football Career?

Sweep has seven welsh caps.

[marple whites]

For me, get rid of the academy and start at under 16s or 18s with cast offs from the big clubs, move through to 23s and into the first team

let the other clubs pay for all the development years and we will get some decent player from their cast offs

at this level, we can’t justify the costs of loads of little nippers for 7 years

our model now of 18s to first team is bollox as the jump unless exceptional, is far too great

unless they announce different next week, the cost of a youth academy at our level is a cost too far

[Leyther_Matt]

18 minutes ago, marple whites said:

For me, get rid of the academy and start at under 16s or 18s with cast offs from the big clubs, move through to 23s and into the first team

let the other clubs pay for all the development years and we will get some decent player from their cast offs

at this level, we can’t justify the costs of loads of little nippers for 7 years

our model now of 18s to first team is bollox as the jump unless exceptional, is far too great

unless they announce different next week, the cost of a youth academy at our level is a cost too far

To be honest U23s was too much of a jump to first team as well. Even more so at the level ours were playing at most recently. This method means we aren’t keeping on half a dozen players for an extra five years just to fill shirts in an uncompetitive league and instead means we just keep the best of the second year scholars (or at least those that aren’t picked off before they turn pro). Yes a couple of late developers might slip through the net, but they tend to climb back up the divisions quick enough if they impress in non-league. 

[masi 51]

9 hours ago, desperado said:

Just like the few million others then who follow their football team.

You just made it sound like you knowing a player when you see one and seldom being wrong as putting yourself on pedestal, when really your opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else’s on here 

Not at all,just a average fan....no problem with any ones view........Sweep was more having a dig at me

[masi 51]

9 hours ago, desperado said:

Aren’t we all frustrated? He Doesn’t  need to come on here claiming he’s some kind of expert that everybody should take notice of because he progressed from primary school to vets football. 

Think there was a comment earlier about no club sells their best young players as a means of progressing. What about Southhampton? They sold on a shed load, it didn’t do them too badly.

I have no problem with selling players once they are established and we can get decent money for them

Southampton you quote have not done too badly,,,,,,Really ? what have they won and i cannot think of one player they sold who at least never played a full season in there first team.

Garath Bale went for 2m, 7m with add ons ..40 games  in the first team....

They did not do to good with that deal

Edited January 30, 2021 by masi 51

[desperado]

30 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

we can get decent money for them

I would say £250000 for an unproven bottom division player is a lot of money - perhaps money which is well needed and can be used astutely by our owners to good effect in the present climate.

30 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

What have they won

I would say for a club like Southampton who are not a million miles away from us in terms of history, ambitions, stadium, a history of yo-yoing between the leagues etc, success isn’t about the trophy cabinet. Climbing the divisions after financial issues, remaining in the top divisions, occasional cup run, potential top half finishes in the top division are more realistic measures of success. All of which Southampton have/are achieving, arguably coming about from their selling-on policy which has provided a platform to success. I’d love it if we could follow them and be in that position. 

Edited January 30, 2021 by desperado

[Benny The Ball]

Evatt has spoken on the Regan Riley situation , who thus far has not yet signed for Norwich - food for thought 

link below 

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/19049152.bolton-wanderers-boss-norwichs-interest-regan-riley/

[Traf]

3 hours ago, Benny The Ball said:

Evatt has spoken on the Regan Riley situation , who thus far has not yet signed for Norwich - food for thought 

link below 

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/19049152.bolton-wanderers-boss-norwichs-interest-regan-riley/

Hmmm, for a man who normally has plenty to say, he's not said much of substance there.

[Benny The Ball]

Just now, Traf said:

Hmmm, for a man who normally has plenty to say, he's not said much of substance there.

Agree in the main but it was the comment below about the way players handle themselves that caught my attention , as though it might be or has possibly been an issue ?

As much as physically possibly I have the better younger ones and the ones that have earned the right with their performances and the way they handle themselves on and off the pitch up with us in the first team and training with us.

[Traf]

Ah, missed that, sorry.

Yeah, I mentioned earlier that I'd heard he had attitude issues and apparently he doesn't train well.

[Rudy]

15 hours ago, masi 51 said:

nope...just a lad who started playing at primary school in the 60s....Ended playing when i was 38 in the Vets league

Football been a passion all my life...can i see a player certainly....i am seldom wrong

You seem to try and belittle me sweep......tell me about your football Career?

Lolz

[peelyfeet]

On 29/01/2021 at 18:12, green genie said:

It's an interesting point.  With the number of kids who don't make it at City where they get best coaching in country and other Prem Cat A academy rejects on doorstep is it worth trying to bring through your own?

The current issue is - City/United/Liverpool/Everton academy rejects currently don't want to come to BWFC before considering if they can get in at one of those other 3 academies first,  and then Leeds, sheff united,  Burnley, Stoke, Blackburn, Crewe,  Sheff Weds, Preston, Wigan, Barnsley - they all have better facilities and more training hours, and play higher calibre opposition.

We get the rejects from these clubs and are now competing for them with the likes of  accrington, rochdale, salford, oldham, blackpool, morecambe, fleetwood. 

I'm fairly sure we will try to get local kids from an early age and keep them loyal, you have a better chance of getting decent quality in that way - once the lads signs at 9 the club can keep hold of decent players until they get an offer they think is worthwhile or put him in the first team. It's not going to change any tme soon I think

[Dr Faustus]

46 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

The current issue is - City/United/Liverpool/Everton academy rejects currently don't want to come to BWFC before considering if they can get in at one of those other 3 academies first,  and then Leeds, sheff united,  Burnley, Stoke, Blackburn, Crewe,  Sheff Weds, Preston, Wigan, Barnsley - they all have better facilities and more training hours, and play higher calibre opposition.

We get the rejects from these clubs and are now competing for them with the likes of  accrington, rochdale, salford, oldham, blackpool, morecambe, fleetwood. 

I'm fairly sure we will try to get local kids from an early age and keep them loyal, you have a better chance of getting decent quality in that way - once the lads signs at 9 the club can keep hold of decent players until they get an offer they think is worthwhile or put him in the first team. It's not going to change any tme soon I think

the scouting used to be shit though; the club sponsored bbdfl at the youngest age group, and all matches played at the arena- yet you never saw a scout there; plenty from city, wigan, burnley etc. we didnt have a presence on our own doorstep

[Mounts Kipper]

20 minutes ago, Dr Faustus said:

the scouting used to be shit though; the club sponsored bbdfl at the youngest age group, and all matches played at the arena- yet you never saw a scout there; plenty from city, wigan, burnley etc. we didnt have a presence on our own doorstep

Agree 100% never seen one Bolton scout in central Lancashire league in the 10 years I’ve had a team.

[Benny The Ball]

Really not sure what to make of the statement the club put out about the "New Look " Academy this morning ?

Bit of a nothing statement - Does not say anything really - maybe there is not much to say ?

And maybe that's how it will be for the next few years with the focus elsewhere 

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2021/february/bolton-wanderers-chairman-hails-new-look-academy/

 

[peelyfeet]

3 hours ago, Dr Faustus said:

the scouting used to be shit though; the club sponsored bbdfl at the youngest age group, and all matches played at the arena- yet you never saw a scout there; plenty from city, wigan, burnley etc. we didnt have a presence on our own doorstep

 

 

3 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Agree 100% never seen one Bolton scout in central Lancashire league in the 10 years I’ve had a team.

I only know what its been like over the last 8 years - my lad has been at bolton since he was 5 - his older brother played for ladybridge and teams around wigan and west lancs, I saw a few bolton scouts watching his matches and tournaments, but you wouldnt have known if you didn't know their faces - John Haworth was the main one at youngesters age- but they'd also send the coaches out to grass roots games.  

whilst he's been there,  from 5 or 6yrs up to to 8yrs old, bolton only used to select about 20 lads per year, and sign about 10 of them at age 9, whereas many of the other academies are like sausage factories  - my lad was at city for a few years when he was young (it was too far to travel - we live in west lancs), must have seen 200 kids come and go in the space of a couple of years, and you see most of them playing for smaller clubs now.

from what I can gather, FV want to get more involved with local teams. If they're true to their word they'll probably invite more clubs down to the academy to play and train.     

 

Edited February 5, 2021 by peelyfeet

[green genie]

Very interesting @peelyfeet.

Always been a bugbear that Argo don't produce more of own talent given catchment. Exeter have been prospering from selling on likes of Ollie Watkins and Ampadu for millions, but Southampton have set up branches of academy across SW and Chelsea & ManU pitch up with open training days looking for talent 

[Dimron]

A bloke I talk to when dog walking is retained as a scout for Leicester.

He tells me the set up is incredible, every Friday he has to be on a Zoom call without fail from 4pm with everyone involved on the coaching and scouting side from all over the country, sometimes including Brendan Rogers. The meeting can go on all evening and he can only leave the room to go for a pee or put the kettle on.

He recently left Forest and although they were good, Leicester is on another level.

[SatanGreavsie]

33 minutes ago, Dimron said:

A bloke I talk to when dog walking is retained as a scout for Leicester.

He tells me the set up is incredible, every Friday he has to be on a Zoom call without fail from 4pm with everyone involved on the coaching and scouting side from all over the country, sometimes including Brendan Rogers. The meeting can go on all evening and he can only leave the room to go for a pee or put the kettle on.

He recently left Forest and although they were good, Leicester is on another level.

New training ground ain't bad either!

 

[masi 51]

On 29/01/2021 at 22:58, Traf said:

Sweep has seven welsh caps.

kiss me quick cap from Rhyl 1992

[Dimron]

Then of course there's a Dutch Cap in there

[Dimron]

5 minutes ago, SatanGreavsie said:

New training ground ain't bad either!

 

Didn't we do them 5 nil?

[SatanGreavsie]

6 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Didn't we do them 5 nil?

Aye - great day out.

Be a while before we shit 'em 5-0 again though 

[Dimron]

16 minutes ago, SatanGreavsie said:

Aye - great day out.

Be a while before we shit 'em 5-0 again though 

I liked Filbert Street, never been to the King Power

[Alf Hartigan]

2 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I liked Filbert Street, never been to the King Power

King Power lends itself to a good atmosphere. Only been once but was impressed