Meanwhile in Israel

[royal white]

1 hour ago, DazBob said:

How would they know who was a baddie and who wasn't? 

Because they would use the same sources  they use for all the info they publish. 

[royal white]

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

IDF statements. Which we know aren’t reliable. Just like Hamas’ statements often aren’t. Have to look at other peer reviews to get an idea.
 

US estimates between 11 & 13,000 militants.

 But we’re not usually going to know immediately, unless it’s a highly targeted attack.

A lot of criticism has come of Israeli’s AI assisted targeting system. And particularly their targeting of low ranking Hamas members who weren’t necessarily involved in the attacks. Can’t be right to wipe out an entire family & neighbouring homes, all for one low level member. 

That one low level member is sat in a house directing fire onto the IDF. What do you think will happen? Put yourself in IDF shoes for a sec. 

[Not in Crawley]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

Because they would use the same sources  they use for all the info they publish. 

😂 naive doesn't even come close.

 

[bolton va va]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

I only keep half an eye on all this because I wholeheartedly couldn’t give a fuck.

But the genocide thing did catch my attention.

Have the joos wiped out all the Gazans now? 

A report I heard thought that there were more Palestinians now than when they instigated this conflict by attacking Israel on  October 7th.

Genocide my arse.

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, bolton va va said:

A report I heard thought that there were more Palestinians now than when they instigated this conflict by attacking Israel on  October 7th.

Genocide my arse.

Let me guess. You can't remember where you heard that report?

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, bolton va va said:

A report I heard thought that there were more Palestinians now than when they instigated this conflict by attacking Israel on  October 7th.

Genocide my arse.

I'm not sure what you do with level of stupidity. 

[royal white]

13 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

😂 naive doesn't even come close.

 

Again, as per usual you’re not grasping what’s said. IDF, Hamas, UN, the Americans and many others  all have some knowledge of how many HAMAS have died. Why don’t the media mention this. All we see is 50-60k Palestinians killed, people then think 50 - 60k innocents  have been killed when that’s obviously not the case. 

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I'm not sure what you do with level of stupidity. 

More Welsh sentences 😂

[BobyBrno]

5 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I'm not sure what you do with level of stupidity. 

Certainly don’t try to expose it in case you come out looking stupid.

[miamiwhite]

27 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Certainly don’t try to expose it in case you come out looking stupid.

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-palestine-population/

I found this report interesting 

[Zico]

30 minutes ago, bolton va va said:

A report I heard thought that there were more Palestinians now than when they instigated this conflict by attacking Israel on  October 7th.

Genocide my arse.

Trying to get my head round this

So if, say 65k Palestinians (Hamas and innocents) have died since October 7th

Is this report saying more than 65k Palestinians have been born?

That seems a lot of babies 

In any case, the deliberate killing and displacement of all the other (innocent) Palestinians can still be classed as genocide/ethnic cleansing/things that happen in wars

It's not like you need an overall deficit just because Palestine are growing in numbers faster than Israel can kill them

[Zico]

2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-palestine-population/

I found this report interesting 

Aye, mad that the numbers increase at such a rate when the land to live on is decreasing at an equally diminishing rate

 

 

[Dimron]

4 hours ago, kent_white said:

No it's a finding by an independent commission of inquiry - NOT a formal ruling by the UN as a whole, which would have to come from the General Assembly if I've understood correctly. 

The ICJ are still considering the case brought by South Africa. Apparently this is much more consequential as it would be a legally binding ruling that all UN member states would have to abide by. 

Complicated business that I'm struggling to get my head around. And the possible repercussions.......

What I can't get my head around is if there is genocide, then will thousands of  individual IDF military be brought to "justice"? Probably not because the state will defend them.

So why the fuck is a single geriatric ex-para currently being tried for murder in Londonderry for one Sunday's shooting incident? I sometimes really hate our politicians.

 

 

[miamiwhite]

4 minutes ago, Zico said:

Aye, mad that the numbers increase at such a rate when the land to live on is decreasing at an equally diminishing rate

 

 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/palestine

Absolutely crazy. This gives a rundown on the births etc

[miamiwhite]

I take it that's a population BOOOM then

[frank_spencer]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Again, as per usual you’re not grasping what’s said. IDF, Hamas, UN, the Americans and many others  all have some knowledge of how many HAMAS have died. Why don’t the media mention this. All we see is 50-60k Palestinians killed, people then think 50 - 60k innocents  have been killed when that’s obviously not the case. 

The media have to guess anyway based on info from all the above parties as Israel won't allow them in to report properly.

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

The media have to guess anyway based on info from all the above parties as Israel won't allow them in to report properly.

Israel, Hamas, America and the UN are all Reporting similar numbers. We never hear about dead Hamas though, just Palestinians.

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

That one low level member is sat in a house directing fire onto the IDF. What do you think will happen? Put yourself in IDF shoes for a sec. 

I'm not a military man. But straight away I'm thinking. 

a) Use a sniper

b) Use something like smoke as a camouflage 

c) Use smaller munitions as opposed to destroy the entire surrounding area

You know much more about this than I do - so there are probably good reasons why you might not be able to do any of those things in practice. But you'd like to hope that they would at least try something a bit less catastrophic. 

Do they give you any guidance on this when you do your training? I mean like what is considered a proportional response that won't end up constituting a war crime in years to come? It's not a bait type question this - I'm genuinely curious. 

I mean just saying 'it's alright as long as it's proportional' seems a bit subjective. 

Don't get me wrong - I'm sure if someone was taking potshots at me I'd be advocating for an air strike - but maybe that's why I ended up in the NHS and not the armed forces. 

Although I did consider signing up as a medic in the territorials when they visited our uni believe it or not. Rambo style! 😁

 

[wanderer1984]

58 minutes ago, Zico said:

Aye, mad that the numbers increase at such a rate when the land to live on is decreasing at an equally diminishing rate

 

 

https://merrimackvalleyhavurah.wordpress.com/2021/05/16/the-origin-of-the-state-of-israel-in-maps/

 

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, Zico said:

Trying to get my head round this

So if, say 65k Palestinians (Hamas and innocents) have died since October 7th

Is this report saying more than 65k Palestinians have been born?

That seems a lot of babies 

In any case, the deliberate killing and displacement of all the other (innocent) Palestinians can still be classed as genocide/ethnic cleansing/things that happen in wars

It's not like you need an overall deficit just because Palestine are growing in numbers faster than Israel can kill them

I was reading about this the other day. Something mad like 45% of people in Gaza are under 15 years of age. And they tend to have a birth rate of around 4 kids per couple. So it's conceivable that the new births are exceeding deaths. Although I imagine that's skewed by births in the West Bank.

[miamiwhite]

3 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I was reading about this the other day. Something mad like 45% of people in Gaza are under 15 years of age. And they tend to have a birth rate of around 4 kids per couple. So it's conceivable that the new births are exceeding deaths. Although I imagine that's skewed by births in the West Bank.

Check my links above, full statistics in there 

[royal white]

13 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I'm not a military man. But straight away I'm thinking. 

a) Use a sniper

b) Use something like smoke as a camouflage 

c) Use smaller munitions as opposed to destroy the entire surrounding area

You know much more about this than I do - so there are probably good reasons why you might not be able to do any of those things in practice. But you'd like to hope that they would at least try something a bit less catastrophic. 

Do they give you any guidance on this when you do your training? I mean like what is considered a proportional response that won't end up constituting a war crime in years to come? It's not a bait type question this - I'm genuinely curious. 

I mean just saying 'it's alright as long as it's proportional' seems a bit subjective. 

Don't get me wrong - I'm sure if someone was taking potshots at me I'd be advocating for an air strike - but maybe that's why I ended up in the NHS and not the armed forces. 

Although I did consider signing up as a medic in the territorials when they visited our uni believe it or not. Rambo style! 😁

 

Every situation will differ. But using your examples and let’s say you’re on a foot patrol, 
 

Sniper - chances you have a sniper attached to you or in the near vicinity are minimal.

Smoke - yes that can get you from A - B but you then need to get to C 

Smaller munitions - it’s likely some  of the family in that house are going to cop for some if you have 12 blokes firing smaller rounds into it. 
 

By the time I’ve typed this I could have had artillery/moratars onto the house to wipe out the threat. Also remember your man from HAMAS could have done the same to me and my mates. 

Edited September 16, 2025 by royal white

[kent_white]

5 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Check my links above, full statistics in there 

Very interesting that there hasn't been a noticeable dip. Although I do wonder whether that's partly down to not being able to get proper numbers and just extropolating the line from the pre war days? 

But like I said - with such a young population it's conceivable, if surprising. 

Have these numbers come from official sources in Gaza then? ie Hamas? And are we now trusting the numbers if it's saying something we like? 😁

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

Certainly don’t try to expose it in case you come out looking stupid.

You do all that by yourselves.

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Again, as per usual you’re not grasping what’s said. IDF, Hamas, UN, the Americans and many others  all have some knowledge of how many HAMAS have died. Why don’t the media mention this. All we see is 50-60k Palestinians killed, people then think 50 - 60k innocents  have been killed when that’s obviously not the case. 

Again, naive covers many of your sins.

Stupidity, well, thats probably a better description.