Meanwhile In England

[Ani]

2 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

Now whilst I will take on board its most likely a legal technicality, its says "his parents" are practising christians, not him........and the BBC and verified facts?

He had anti Islamist material. 
 

What evidence is there that he was a Muslim at the time of the attacks ? He was ‘rejected’ by Prevent because although violent he was not a follower of any ideology. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

The murderer was born in England.

Fake news

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

He had anti Islamist material. 
 

What evidence is there that he was a Muslim at the time of the attacks ? He was ‘rejected’ by Prevent because although violent he was not a follower of any ideology. 

Would we be told if there was? Im not saying there was but making the point that because information was witheld people assumed.......now while that may be wrong you have to ask why that was?

      Is it because we suddenly have seen a massive rise in ordinary people becoming Islamaphobic or is it because there appears to be an unwillingness by the system to address certain issues?

[Ani]

13 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

Would we be told if there was? Im not saying there was but making the point that because information was witheld people assumed.......now while that may be wrong you have to ask why that was?

      Is it because we suddenly have seen a massive rise in ordinary people becoming Islamaphobic or is it because there appears to be an unwillingness by the system to address certain issues?

But when information is given you are immediately questioning if it is true.

On the one hand you bemoan the lack of information and when it is given you say it is made up.

You seem convinced he was Muslim, you said earlier we were not told he is Muslim. What evidence is there to say he was ? 
 

He had anti Islamist material according to various news outlets. 
He was rejected by Prevent because he did not follow an ideology

He comes from a non Muslim family 

If people ignore the information and evidence provided you think the copper saying ‘he is not Muslim’ the next day would have convinced them ? 

 

Edited Saturday at 08:26 by Ani

[Spider]

15 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

Would we be told if there was? Im not saying there was but making the point that because information was witheld people assumed.......now while that may be wrong you have to ask why that was?

      Is it because we suddenly have seen a massive rise in ordinary people becoming Islamaphobic or is it because there appears to be an unwillingness by the system to address certain issues?

“They won’t give out information”

<information given out>

”that’s dodgy information”

[bolty58]

Chaff. That's what the air force call it when they eject metallic distractors for incoming missiles.

Amazing how much chaff is generated on here when some uncomfortable truths are aired.

Maybe one of them will be brave enough to actually deny that FGM, P4kistani rape gangs and the subjugation of their women even exists?

Wait for the defenders and appeasers. They'll be along in a minute.

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

29 minutes ago, Ani said:

Problem is mate it is easy to say ‘we’ when you mean good and ‘they’ when you mean bad. Plenty of white middle and working class lads follow the likes of Andrew Tate. He has 10m followers on Twitter. To give that context there are 4 to 5 million Muslims in UK (Tates following is world wide so not a direct comparison but it is a fucking lot)

Available data strongly indicates men (particularly and unsurprisingly young men) from ethnic minority and Muslim backgrounds are disproportionately more likely to hold a favourable view of Tate

The reasons can be debated (relatability presumably a factor) but the polling on his support is pretty clear

https://savanta.com/knowledge-centre/view/1-in-3-have-a-positive-view-of-andrew-tate/

https://hopenothate.org.uk/2024/07/24/plugged-in-tate-religion/

 

[Ani]

15 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Available data strongly indicates men (particularly and unsurprisingly young men) from ethnic minority and Muslim backgrounds are disproportionately more likely to hold a favourable view of Tate

The reasons can be debated (relatability presumably a factor) but the polling on his support is pretty clear

https://savanta.com/knowledge-centre/view/1-in-3-have-a-positive-view-of-andrew-tate/

https://hopenothate.org.uk/2024/07/24/plugged-in-tate-religion/

 

I did not know that. But not sure it changes my point. They are people with warped views in every walk of life and religion. I would hazard a guess that if you could break people who are warped down by religion those that say ‘I yes I am religious’ would be over represented. 
 

My point is that constantly blaming ‘them’ does not solve anything we have to take responsibility for ‘us’ so if our kids whatever race and religion come out with bollox that the likes of Tate and some religious teachers come out with we take responsibility for teaching them decency and respect. Radicalisation is happening across the board and that drives hate and anger. 

[Zico]

1 hour ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

We live in such times wherein if such information is witheld people will assume anyway.....just like if a bomb went off 50yrs ago they would assume it was the IRA.

      

so we lived in such times 50 years ago too?

seems like nothing changes

you make your mind up, and that's that

you say this country has a massive problem with transparency

whilst demonstrating that you question the facts of the matter, because it seems like you made your mind up he was muslim and nothing will change it

 

[kent_white]

10 hours ago, bolty58 said:

None in particular. Just any that believe that a bleeding 12 year old is now a woman; believe that FGM is acceptable; believe that drugging, raping, inflating an anus with a bicycle pump to receive a larger object and passing the subject around like a piece of meat is perfectly acceptable; forces women to remain covered by using enforcement by religious 'police'.

Do we have any idea of a demographic which has those within it who condone and/or practice all of these?

You're right that things like FGM, forced marriage and child sexual exploitation are real issues, and obviously they should be talked about seriously.

But I don't really think that's what this post (or Ronnie's) is doing. 

The way it's framed isn't "how do we protect vulnerable girls?" It's more "what kind of people do these things?", just phrased indirectly enough that you don't have to actually say it outright.

And honestly, some of the details being thrown in, the bicycle pump stuff, "passed around like meat" etc, don't read like someone trying to have a discussion about keeping children safe. It reads more like trying to build disgust and attach it to a group of people.

If the focus was genuinely child protection, the conversation would probably be about things like reporting failures, social services, policing, community pressure, barriers to leaving abusive situations, that sort of thing. Not piling up graphic anecdotes.

Also, if the standard is "which demographic has problems with abuse or exploitation?", then you'd have to apply that standard consistently to basically every community and institution where those things happen, families, churches, schools, care systems, all of it. But that's clearly not where the focus is here.

So it's about how you and Ronnie are framing it, because it comes across less like concern to and more like trying to push a conclusion or demonise a whole community by the actions of a few, indirectly.

Once you start attributing the actions of a few people to an entire ethnic or religious group, people are going to see that as racism, even if that's not your intention. That's basically the whole reason I got involved in this argument in the first place.

Edited Saturday at 09:42 by kent_white

[Zico]

33 minutes ago, kent_white said:

 

So it's about how you and Ronnie are framing it, because it comes across less like concern to and more like trying to push a conclusion or demonise a whole community by the actions of a few, indirectly.

 

yeah but they have a right to defend themselves

[kent_white]

3 minutes ago, Zico said:

yeah but they have a right to defend themselves

Those kids should NEVER have voted Hamas in and deserved everything they got!

[Zico]

2 hours ago, bolty58 said:

 

Maybe one of them will be brave enough to actually deny that FGM, P4kistani rape gangs and the subjugation of their women even exists?

 

this from a bloke who hysterically calls women flatdicks 

[London Wanderer]

12 hours ago, royal white said:

Correct. Muzzies more so those from certain countries. Nobody should be afraid or reluctant to say it. Tis what it is. 

I agree with you and @RONNIE PHILLIPS that we shouldn't afraid to talk about it openly. Especially when it comes to issues like the grooming gangs. It's pretty much fact that men in Afghanistan will view women worse than men in this country do. Therefore it is reasonable to look at someone's values when organising a visa. Problem is with uncontrolled borders is you've no way of doing that.

I do however think we've a huge problem of people stirring shit up. People who have previously done nothing to improve women's rights and safety.

Many jump on the bandwagggon to spread their racist shite and use it as an excuse. Just look at all those protesting during the Southport riots who had convictions for domestic abuse. I also see white sexist/homophobic pricks on a monthly basis during Sunday league.

As I've said - we need stronger laws to protect women - not a cultural blaming game. 

We have huge problems with attitudes to women in this country - especially with the influence of social media. The situation is getting worse. And immigration isn't to blame for it.

And anyone bringing race and religion in the Southport killer's case needs to wind their neck in. The report is a harrowing insight into failed parenting and a series of tragic 'pass on's' in social care and public services. Causes more harm than good to blame Islam or his families' immigration status. The issue was how this boy was missed and not sectioned earlier. 

[London Wanderer]

And to add to the shit stirring pot

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgpyn30dp3o

Stuff like this is rife and folk are lapping it up online. 

Anyway @gonzo we've got to talk about something over the next 7 days. it's either get distracted by politics or look at our shite record against Stockport.

I'll go with this 😄

[kent_white]

11 minutes ago, Zico said:

this from a bloke who hysterically calls women flatdicks 

I've never understood the term 'flatdicks'. 

What does it mean exactly? That women have not got a dick and therefore if you look at them in underwear it is 'flat'?

Or is there more to it than that - or some kind of subtle joke that I'm missing?

[Cheese]

6 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I've never understood the term 'flatdicks'. 

What does it mean exactly? That women have not got a dick and therefore if you look at them in underwear it is 'flat'?

Or is there more to it than that - or some kind of subtle joke that I'm missing?

People who use it are as thick as you suspect.

Flatdick: Slang for the Vagina: In 18th and 19th-century street slang (recorded in historical volumes like Grose’s Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue), it was used as a crude, literal contrast to male anatomy to describe the vagina or a woman generally.

[Traf]

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

And to add to the shit stirring pot

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgpyn30dp3o

Stuff like this is rife and folk are lapping it up online. 

Yeah, but just 'cos its forrin and AI dunt mean its not true

[kent_white]

On 10/05/2026 at 06:24, royal white said:

The absolute state of these bells. “Let me get my Palestine flag and then go and strike over my pay”
 

 

Meanwhile in London......

[Ani]

3 hours ago, kent_white said:

Those kids should NEVER have voted Hamas in and deserved everything they got!

Tbf last election were in 2006, so 18 to vote means no one under 38 has even had the chance to vote let alone vote for Hamas.

[kent_white]

4 minutes ago, Ani said:

Tbf last election were in 2006, so 18 to vote means no one under 38 has even had the chance to vote let alone vote for Hamas.

I know. Which was my point! 😁

[Duck Egg]

I bet this upset a few flag shaggers today!

 

 

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, Duck Egg said:

I bet this upset a few flag shaggers today!

 

 

Class 

look at the muppet trying to climb in 😂

[mickbrown]

20 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Class 

look at the muppet trying to climb in 😂

Any grown man wearing trackie bottoms in public deserves kneecapping. 

[gonzo]

3 hours ago, Duck Egg said:

I bet this upset a few flag shaggers today!

 

 

Immigration does make Britain brilliant and we'd be absolutely fucked without economic migrants. 

We need more.

However that's not the issue and not message that should be peddled.

Unfortunately the debate is spoiled by polarised mongos on both sides lurching to extremes.

Not wanting your town littered with dosspots from Afghanistan and Kurdistan isn't the same as saying you don't want any migrants.

Not wanting the rise and spread of Islam isn't the same either. 

There's a balance. 

Unfortunately the extremes shout loudest and spoile the whole conversation.

Ignoring the conversation leads to this kind of shit today..