Cambridge United (A)

[Tonge moor green jacket]

8 hours ago, Underpants said:

It made perfect sense taking GT off.

We've been here before with Tomo on a yellow, and concerns he will get sent off.

Usually ends up playing better!

If there was an suitable replacement available, or we were further ahead then yes, sub him.

Only 1-0, not playing overly well, and the necessary, formulaic substitutions see us tweaken the midfield.

Of course we should have been able to cope, but we're not ripping up trees, and it comes down to the manager again.

As for the transfer window, I simply can't see how there will be money to spend without player sales first.

Moreover, if we fail to go up, then you'd imagine player sales would have to happen as well.

Sharon's comments about finances previously suggest such funding cannot continue. 

That's the big risk in waiting until the end of the season before deciding on his tenure; any new manager may have his first job involving reducing squad size/quality. May make recruitment tougher.

Make the decision earlier and a new gaffer still has the season with this squad, and can have the window to ship out ones he doesn't want.

[barrycowdrill]

Individually and collectively the in game management, football intelligence, decision making is just piss poor. 
 

there’s always choices in the game ‘shall I make this pass or that? should I make that challenge or not? Do I take control of that situation or is some else better placed? Which type of cross am I putting in? Etc etc 

more often than not they all make the wrong decision. Then on top of that the execution is piss poor. So it either puts us in trouble or we waste the opportunity. 
 

yes they’re league 1 players so will not always get it right. But we seem to get it wrong more than getting it right. I used to think it was naivety. Just being a bunch of good lads, not particularly street wise in football terms. But it happens so often that the only explanation is they’re all Just thick as fuck. 
 

you can’t train stupid. 
 

But it’s also on the manager. He might have his “philosophy” and be clear on that he wants his players to do and the choices he insists on them making but it isn’t working. They’re not good enough to deliver it. So stop trying to flog the horse that died a long time ago. 

Edited November 27, 2024 by barrycowdrill

[Tonge moor green jacket]

8 hours ago, thebells said:

Harsh. Speculation only means his agent is throwing out bits to the media, nothing more. 

He’ll have offers from plenty of clubs and, as mentioned, there’ll be buyout figures in there designed to protect him and the club. We’ll get bids for him at the end of the season. You can choose not to believe that, or see it as rewarding failure, but a Welsh international who’s played at the top end of league one for 2 years AND been voted into team of the season by his colleagues, will attract clubs. 
 

 

We will see.

No previous offers that we know of.

A 2 year contract now signed, so it would require a decent wedge for us to be interested. 

Similarly for the player, he'd want at least a 2 year deal, and likely more, to take the chance.

I simply can't see someone (decent) coming in with a longer contract and/or more money.

Yes he shone for Wales recently, but it still remains the case that he struggles I'm the physical stakes.

[Zico]

I had £5 on Collins first goal and anytime which was nice

I also had him last goal 

So that really pissed me off 

They cost me £32.50

[Eavesy]

Those last minute winners at home are going to do more damage than good. 
 

If we hadn’t won them he would have had to go (surely?)
 

You can try and be a super fan all you want about not wanting the team to lose but ultimately we need to save this season with a new manager and scabbing wins against 5hite teams at home is keeping him in a job. 

[Zico]

Should still be winning the next 3 

[DaveTheRave]

3 minutes ago, Eavesy said:

Those last minute winners at home are going to do more damage than good. 
 

If we hadn’t won them he would have had to go (surely?)
 

You can try and be a super fan all you want about not wanting the team to lose but ultimately we need to save this season with a new manager and scabbing wins against 5hite teams at home is keeping him in a job. 

So you'd rather we hadn't scored in the last minute against Blackpool?

[bwfc4ife]

I never want us to lose but I can see your point of view.

Surely Sharon must see how far we have gone backwards? Sentiment and loyalty aside, her arse must be twitching.

Someone made a good point last night that there may have been only 1 game this season so far when we’ve played well for the full 90. 
 

I kept thinking the players aren’t playing for him but I don’t think that’s the case. I just think we’ve been found out and we’ve never recovered from the loss of Paris’s influence in the second half of last season. We haven’t adapted at all this season. 
 

The attempt to change formation failed miserably and therefore the new plan A is out of the window. Now he doesn’t know what to do about it.

[desperado]

19 minutes ago, Eavesy said:

Those last minute winners at home are going to do more damage than good. 
 

If we hadn’t won them he would have had to go (surely?)
 

You can try and be a super fan all you want about not wanting the team to lose but ultimately we need to save this season with a new manager and scabbing wins against 5hite teams at home is keeping him in a job. 

And there we have it. Folk who want us to lose are amongst us.

There were folk who walked out at Forest at home because Parky was a twat.

To be honest our club is better off without folk like you.

A new manager would want points on the board, a chance to do something this year. Us losing serves no purpose to anyone. 

Super fan? Give me that anyday of the week over shit fan. 

See you at Bristol away… yeh right, will I fuck. 

You’ll wheedle your way back thinking you’re a great fan when we have a new manager, but it won’t take long before you get pissed off with something else. 

Edited November 27, 2024 by desperado

[ianofcleveleys]

47 minutes ago, jayjayoghani said:

Ludonautics. The guy who set it up was interviewed on The Price of Football podcast, Ian Graham. 

Lunatics might be a better handle

[ianofcleveleys]

7 hours ago, burnden said:

We had won the game so we didn't need to score again.......i despise this cunt

'Its not about scoring again'... Why the fuck not, against a bottom 4 side with 10 men? What on earth is wrong with killing the game off by scoring a quick second and having a 2 goal lead to manage, especially for a side with such a flaky mentality as ours.

Teams like Inter Milan kill games at 1-0, not teams like us

[Rizlar]

1 minute ago, ianofcleveleys said:

'Its not about scoring again'... Why the fuck not, against a bottom 4 side with 10 men? What on earth is wrong with killing the game off by scoring a quick second and having a 2 goal lead to manage, especially for a side with such a flaky mentality as ours.

Teams like Inter Milan kill games at 1-0, not teams like us

Unbelievable his comments when have we suddenly become a team that can defend a 1-0 lead he’s totally deluded . 

[barrycowdrill]

Considering we conceded a goal which turned a victory in to a draw it was absolutely about scoring again 

[Zico]

18 minutes ago, bwfc4ife said:

I never want us to lose but I can see your point of view.

Surely Sharon must see how far we have gone backwards? Sentiment and loyalty aside, her arse must be twitching.

Someone made a good point last night that there may have been only 1 game this season so far when we’ve played well for the full 90. 
 

I kept thinking the players aren’t playing for him but I don’t think that’s the case. I just think we’ve been found out and we’ve never recovered from the loss of Paris’s influence in the second half of last season. We haven’t adapted at all this season. 
 

The attempt to change formation failed miserably and therefore the new plan A is out of the window. Now he doesn’t know what to do about it.

I don't think there is any sense that he's lost the dressing room, on our day everyone is happy

The "we don't know what happened" comments are the issue 

Talk of players not putting a shift in during training, capitulation when teams come at us, slow ponderous play, not being able to take it to ten men, not seeing the warning signs during a game

That's the issue 

It all comes down to management of team 

During training, planning for a game, reading a game, adapting during a game, not half heartedly going through the motions 

Folk were saying about Blackpool that on another day it could've been 3 or 4 

But it wasn't, so we struggled along

Last gasp winners in the last two home games have kept us in touch with the top six 

[mickbrown]

58 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

We've been here before with Tomo on a yellow, and concerns he will get sent off.

Usually ends up playing better!

If there was an suitable replacement available, or we were further ahead then yes, sub him.

Only 1-0, not playing overly well, and the necessary, formulaic substitutions see us tweaken the midfield.

Of course we should have been able to cope, but we're not ripping up trees, and it comes down to the manager again.

As for the transfer window, I simply can't see how there will be money to spend without player sales first.

Moreover, if we fail to go up, then you'd imagine player sales would have to happen as well.

Sharon's comments about finances previously suggest such funding cannot continue. 

That's the big risk in waiting until the end of the season before deciding on his tenure; any new manager may have his first job involving reducing squad size/quality. May make recruitment tougher.

Make the decision earlier and a new gaffer still has the season with this squad, and can have the window to ship out ones he doesn't want.

‘Tweaken’

Absolute genius. Beautifully put. 
 

The regular 79th minute ‘tweaken’

[mickbrown]

That interview sums him up.

Papping on transitions and restarts. I bet his team meetings are a flurry of PowerPoints and bullshit bingo

Stop over complicating the fucking game.  Score one more than them. That’s all we frigging ask

[Hoppy]

I that IE is more concerned with stats rather than the game in front of him all players have trackers, all he looks at is passes made and possession etc what happens if we are 1:0 up against 10 men what do the stats say, he does not make any gut instinct changes i:e stats say make subs at 70 mins is the best time etc not  oh we are 1:0 up against 10 men let's stretch the game and I think this stops the players using their natural instincts 

[Rizlar]

16 minutes ago, Hoppy said:

I that IE is more concerned with stats rather than the game in front of him all players have trackers, all he looks at is passes made and possession etc what happens if we are 1:0 up against 10 men what do the stats say, he does not make any gut instinct changes i:e stats say make subs at 70 mins is the best time etc not  oh we are 1:0 up against 10 men let's stretch the game and I think this stops the players using their natural instincts 

Have the players got any natural instincts I severely doubt it ?

[wakey]

33 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

'Its not about scoring again'... Why the fuck not, against a bottom 4 side with 10 men? What on earth is wrong with killing the game off by scoring a quick second and having a 2 goal lead to manage, especially for a side with such a flaky mentality as ours.

Teams like Inter Milan kill games at 1-0, not teams like us

pretty sure there was an Evatt quote recently where he was banging on about the importance of not stopping at1-0 but pushing on for a 2nd, 3rd etc.

 

[Dr. Feelgood]

23 minutes ago, wakey said:

pretty sure there was an Evatt quote recently where he was banging on about the importance of not stopping at1-0 but pushing on for a 2nd, 3rd etc.

... aaah, but 2-0 is the most dangerous scoreline*.

(*Dougie Freedman. Not that we often put that to the test in his sad time here).

[L/H White]

1 hour ago, ianofcleveleys said:

'Its not about scoring again'... Why the fuck not, against a bottom 4 side with 10 men? What on earth is wrong with killing the game off by scoring a quick second and having a 2 goal lead to manage, especially for a side with such a flaky mentality as ours.

Teams like Inter Milan kill games at 1-0, not teams like us

he really doesn't do himself any favours does he

[gonzo]

Must say there's been a slight overreaction about a 1-1 draw away from home against a team set out out spoil the game from the off.

It could've been a lot worse. 

Win home, draw away. You won't be far off.

It's not easy playing against ten men either. Most teams in the land struggle to break a bank of ten down. 

Their game plan was getting fouls and deadballs around the box. Worked a treat and we fell for it hook line and sinker.

 

 

 

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, Zico said:

Should still be winning the next 3 

We will win the first two, get excited, then get turned over by Wigan. Our foundations are unstable so 90% of the time are fine but occasionally we collapse. That is how I would summarise our situation.

[barrycowdrill]

13 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Must say there's been a slight overreaction about a 1-1 draw away from home against a team set out out spoil the game from the off.

It could've been a lot worse. 

Win home, draw away. You won't be far off.

It's not easy playing against ten men either. Most teams in the land struggle to break a bank of ten down. 

Their game plan was getting fouls and deadballs around the box. Worked a treat and we fell for it hook line and sinker.

 

 

 

Thing is pal, whether we win lose or draw there’s always context and a manor of how you got the results. 
 

we can all take and accept defeat for the most part. But the manor of the defeat at Stockport, which we have seen before, where the players Just absolutely crumble and cause absolute embarrassment isn’t acceptable. 
 

Blackpool - Yes we won the game and deep down were all delirious we had. Particularly in the way we did. However we can all probably recognise that it was a win that papered over the same cracks. Very poor for half of the game. Better for the other half. When you factor in the players had been stewing on the stockport debacle for 2 weeks, it didn’t really give us any signs of reassurance. 
 

Cambridge - you’re right in the respect of looking to pick up points away from home generally. But after winning Saturday and the noise coming out about how the players recognise they have let everyone down, we would expect to go there and win. Now, the in game context… 1 up, 1 man advantage against a team in the bottom 3 low on confidence… so to concede an equaliser makes it feel like a defeat. Especially when you look at the performance level again too. 
 

It’s a hung fan base at the minute and the confidence and backing is brittle at best. Anything outside of wins off the back of good performances rightly or wrongly are going to get scrutinised. Perspective went out of the window a long time ago 

[mickbrown]

26 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Must say there's been a slight overreaction about a 1-1 draw away from home against a team set out out spoil the game from the off.

It could've been a lot worse. 

Win home, draw away. You won't be far off.

It's not easy playing against ten men either. Most teams in the land struggle to break a bank of ten down. 

Their game plan was getting fouls and deadballs around the box. Worked a treat and we fell for it hook line and sinker.

 

 

 

We were shit. End of story. 
 

If it was a one off, fair enough, you could pass it off as one of those games, but we’ve been shit all season