Burndens Bogs Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Making those substitutions on 44mins was disrespectful to the players hooked and smacked of desperation. He makes that many changes to our starting X1 that it's inevitable that we have a bunch of players who no longer give a shit. Quote
Tombwfc Posted January 10 Posted January 10 40 minutes ago, bwfc4ife said: Not sure I agree. Certain results have a huge impact on how things pan out. We get a new formation and come away with the points a team devoid of confidence transforms overnight. Similar to the new manager bounce. I think it's the kind of thing that might be retrofitted at the end of the season - 'that's where it all changed'. But certainly if you try to pick out turning points week to week you'll be wrong a lot more often than you're right. The late goals against Huddersfield were another that was supposed to kickstart something and never really did. Fact is over a long season there will be plenty of false dawns for bad teams. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted January 10 Posted January 10 35 minutes ago, Ani said: Home now annoyed and disappointed today but not surprised . 10th January and no one knows our best XI especially the Manager. I wanted SS as manager and have backed since he landed but today was a real breaking point. Never mind he sticks with the 2 wingers away from home that is not working. A disjointed midfield of EE and Sheehan, with Dempsey either as a 10 or an extra body in midfield you could not tell. They scored a goal from a long lump up field where the fuck was Toal ? Oh I see him playing them on. It was not working and needed a change , so drags of Sheehan and Gale , changes formation … makes sense but why in the 44th minute. Sending a message ? More like sending a plea for help. Of all the players at the club JS did not deserve that. Look forward to the excuses. Second half was a much competitive affair but a lad walks the defence, 2 down , then 2-1 but as soon as we know another soft as fuck goal and that’s it. Not sure why goal was disallowed , not sure what the fuck Burstow was doing when put through. On way back just not arsed about it, not sure what he can do to turn it around, but more worryingly not sure SS does. Players are going to be leaving like JDC so the squad is smaller and more manageable ! If he left tomorrow I would not care. When fans like Ani have enough of SS you know it’s a long way back for him. Quote
Alf Hartigan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 45 minutes ago, L/H White said: I'm selling my ticket I can't handle it No fucker would buy it. Quote
RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Burndens Bogs said: Making those substitutions on 44mins was disrespectful to the players hooked and smacked of desperation. He makes that many changes to our starting X1 that it's inevitable that we have a bunch of players who no longer give a shit. We seem to have had that problem for over two years Edited January 10 by RONNIE PHILLIPS Quote
Hoppy Posted January 10 Posted January 10 The players need a restoration of confidence things are not going well at the moment it's up to SS to restore this he needs to have a heart to heart with the players and change the system it's not working we can still turn this around top two I feel is out of the equation let's go into the play offs flying it doesn't matter how we go up as long as we do. this has to be one of the easiest open league 1 we have had for a while Quote
BoltonPro15 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 4 hours ago, meanderson93 said: He's gone to a much better and highly funded squad, I can't believe we're trying to point score over a lad scoring in a shootout. He was crap, we got a good feeling, move on. Not sure it's a great battle to pick this. He's playing (well) regularly in the league above. Meanwhile, we've replaced him with somebody who Hull let us have, who now can't get a start in a bang average league 1 team. I know who I'm picking 1000 times over. Quote
BoltonPro15 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 4 hours ago, meanderson93 said: I couldn't give a flying fuck, I'm sure plenty in our squad could go to better teams and look the part. Simons is a far superior footballer. Let us know when this happens please 🙏 Quote
Stig Posted January 10 Posted January 10 5 hours ago, Eddie said: Ignoring the specifics of how it’s calculated, would you not agree that we miss chance after chance, but it takes fuck all for the opposition to score against us? That’s essentially what xG is saying. I’m not using it to defend us at all, it’s shit, we’re shit, but when I see that it rings very true with what I watch. We need to create a hell of a lot of chances to get a goal, yet our defence and keeper only need the slightest pressure and it’s in the back of our net. Yes, but the interpretation is that xg stats look good therefore we must be the better team, completely ignoring the fact that most teams are happy to let us have 10 pot shots that add to 1.36 xg but actually lead to nothing at our level. And then nick a goal and are happy to sit back and let us have another 10 pot shots. Xg isn't even calibrated by the standard of player in our division so is completely pointless. Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted January 10 Posted January 10 32 minutes ago, Burndens Bogs said: Making those substitutions on 44mins was disrespectful to the players hooked and smacked of desperation. He makes that many changes to our starting X1 that it's inevitable that we have a bunch of players who no longer give a shit. I've thought this for a while. The only players that can justifiably feel invested in our results are the 2 CBs, Conway and Sheehan. Every other player is either on loan and/or just trying to get in the team, they won't want their replacements to succeed. If they aren't picked, how much are they invested in us winning? When they look at the table and see we're under achieving, they are entitled to say "not my fault, I get 25 minutes every other game". Nobody's telling me Randall or Forino care if we go up, I bet half of them can't be arsed with extending the season into the play offs just to train for another 2 weeks to sit on the bench. Quote
Eddie Posted January 10 Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, Stig said: Yes, but the interpretation is that xg stats look good therefore we must be the better team, completely ignoring the fact that most teams are happy to let us have 10 pot shots that add to 1.36 xg but actually lead to nothing at our level. And then nick a goal and are happy to sit back and let us have another 10 pot shots. Xg isn't even calibrated by the standard of player in our division so is completely pointless. Maybe so, but when compared across just our league it’s a comparable metric - ie same non-calibration for all of us. Is it flawed? Yes. Does it put a statistic to what we all see on the pitch? Yes. Even today we miss a sitter and several ‘good’ chances. Gale had a couple in the first 20 mins that weren’t pot shots, Burstow misses another sitter. xG just puts a number to it and compared to the rest of the league we can’t finish our dinner. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Can’t right us off just yet… we smashed Oxford at home then a few months later they beat us at Wembley… league is so poor it can happen again. Quote
Rizlar Posted January 10 Posted January 10 He needs to go back to the drawing board and change our tactics as we all can see it’s not working , I hope he’s not like Evatt and thinks he knows best? Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 minute ago, Rizlar said: He needs to go back to the drawing board and change our tactics as we all can see it’s not working , I hope he’s not like Evatt and thinks he knows best? Were just fans and we can all see what the problems are… seems SS has seen the light today and called time on inverted wingers… they still a part to play on the opposite sides. Quote
Rizlar Posted January 10 Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Were just fans and we can all see what the problems are… seems SS has seen the light today and called time on inverted wingers… they still a part to play on the opposite sides. Hopefully he as I must admit he sounded deflated on his interview on the radio . Quote
bolton va va Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Just back, not good & P/boro were the better side though their 1st goal looked a bit offside. Our keeper should have done better with the 1st & 3rd & I wasn't keen on the subs 2 mins before h/t which looked like trying to be seen to be doing "something" rather than a plan ......& I wouldn't have taken Sheehan off. Small plusses........we created several very good, clear cut chances ( & missed them with Gale & Burstow the worst culprits) Dalby did well when he came on & at least we put up a fight in the 2nd half !! Quote
mickbrown Posted January 11 Posted January 11 5 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: Bad decision taking off Sheehan after 43 wasn’t playing badly and embarrassing to treat him like that. Thats how you lose players. Why? He above being subbed? Flatters to deceive that fella. Quote
Traf Posted January 11 Posted January 11 Same old story, lads. We don't take our chances and the opposition do. I don't want to jump on the SS bandwagon, but singling two players out a minute before HT was bizarre at best. All he's done there is piss two players off, two players who've been amongst our better performers this season. Wait until half-time, calmly explain you're changing shape and there's no issue. Instead you drag two off who both looked very angry about it. Quote
mickbrown Posted January 11 Posted January 11 6 minutes ago, Traf said: Same old story, lads. We don't take our chances and the opposition do. I don't want to jump on the SS bandwagon, but singling two players out a minute before HT was bizarre at best. All he's done there is piss two players off, two players who've been amongst our better performers this season. Wait until half-time, calmly explain you're changing shape and there's no issue. Instead you drag two off who both looked very angry about it. You come off the pitch after being subbed and display any sort of anger you can get fucked for me It ain’t about you. Quote
only1swanny Posted January 11 Posted January 11 8 minutes ago, mickbrown said: You come off the pitch after being subbed and display any sort of anger you can get fucked for me It ain’t about you. Gales shots were woeful. He's missed too many sitters. The wingers tactics just not right atm. Quote
Burndens Bogs Posted January 11 Posted January 11 1 hour ago, only1swanny said: Gales shots were woeful. He's missed too many sitters. The wingers tactics just not right atm. I'd rather have that than have players who look like they're not arsed or even worse, stomp off down the tunnel Quote
woolli Posted January 11 Posted January 11 9 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: Can’t right us off just yet… we smashed Oxford at home then a few months later they beat us at Wembley… league is so poor it can happen again. Your correct. Losing at Wembley again! Quote
bwfc4ife Posted January 11 Posted January 11 We’ve got to do simple things well. Gales delivery is hit/miss and I’m not sure how skillfull he is akin to a pace merchant. So use the pace and have him get to byline and cut it back/cross it. He looked like he struggled yesterday because the lad he was up against was also quick. Get Duberry on his natural side who is skillful and can beat a man, Horses for courses. Both lads don’t offer much cover so were exposed down both flanks. Add to that that both tutu and Conway can’t defend at full back, both pushing forward and it’s a recipe for disaster. A few people have said it but we need a big lad up top to make it stick especially when it goes long and we’re under pressure. Someone that wins a free kick or a throw and gets us up the pitch away from home especially. Every game, we have chances but it’s almost inevitable that the opposition will score and need to find a way of keeping a clean sheet to build from. I think both centre halves are too weak away from home, they both have a donkey moment in their lockers. Johnstons clearances for example each time never go to a White shirt and generally go out of play altogether. The exact same thing applies to the opposition and is the reason we need to get more balls in to the box earlier. I like Conway, but he’s weak and doesn’t have enough pace. Teams look to exploit that every week. Tutu just isn’t a right back, decent on the ball at times and can get forward but is not solid. Lisbie was causing all sorts of problems down that side yesterday. TSL should be starting, both backup keepers are miles off it. I think he saves their first and third goals yesterday. TBF to Miller he did make two good saves also. Then you come to our midfield, Sheehan got hooked yesterday and was understandably pissed off. He needs to be further up the pitch. He’s the only midfielder we have comfortable on the ball. He seems to naturally drop deeper and deeper and whilst his little turns in our half make him look good on the ball, it rarely starts off an attack. He needs to be doing that in the opponents half and getting half a yard to play a pass tha can hurt the opposition. Erhahon looks too slow and can’t play in a 2 for me. Might be decent in front of the back 4 in a three but otherwise shouldn’t be starting. Simon’s has gone backwards, looked like he has a decent engine, can put a a foot in but has massively regressed and seems to always take the easy option. We need someone in the middle that can pick up the ball and drive us forward. We don’t have that in the middle. Dempsey is an impact sub for me, isn’t very good on the ball but is good at arriving late, finishing and heading. Morley again isn’t the player. I think it’s clear we need some fresh blood asap. I think we need two new full backs who can defend, a target man and a centre mid who can drive us forward with the ball. Quote
Wullie Posted January 11 Posted January 11 I fully understand what you are all saying about tactics, but that first half today was down to players switching off, not covering and missing tackles and losing the ball in important areas of the pitch, that isn't down to tactics, that's down to the players....but also SS does need to figure out how to get this team to play away from home Quote
Zico Posted January 11 Posted January 11 16 hours ago, Eddie said: Bolton xG - 1.89 Posh xG - 0.97 Think what you want about it, but it’s another game where we’ve conceded goals we shouldn’t have and not scored the chances we should have. It’s a fucking terrible combination. Story of our season that Dunno if it's the players, or the manager Quote
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