Plymouth Argyle (A)

[Johnnyrotten]

3 hours ago, gonzo said:

We certainly know how to pull a rabbit out of the hat pull the exceptional off.

That only be a good thing heading into the play offs.

I'd trust us in any one off game. We've come back from the dead and pulled it off so many times this season.

It's rather commendable.

We've just missed the consistency of the bog standard results and the nitty gritty needed to test the top 2 properly, but christ we can pull it out the bag when we need to.

 

Not sure what you mean, genuinely.  We needed to in the previous 3 games, to name 3.  We didn't get a pen and an OG in them, so we didn't pull it out the bag.

Loving today's result and it gives us a massive shot in the arm, but we've under performed this season precisely by not pulling it out the bag when we needed to.  A strange statement given the season we've had.

[desperado]

16 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

4 or 5?  I can think of 2 (Conway and Sheehan).  And both had very underwhelming games today so they probably aren't referring to them.

I have no knowledge of the standard of other L1 keepers to know if Bonham is one of the better one's, can't recall many having a great game against us but may have forgotten some.

Plymouth fans are basing it on what they’ve seen today, not the inconsistencies we see from week to week.

I’ve chatted to a few after the game. There’s some who were a bit bitter not giving us much credit at all.

But most were very complimentary and picked out a few of our players who they thought were great.

The keeper (although they hated Bonham’s time wasting - nice to be in the receiving end of that moan 😂 -)  and all the back 4 were being praised very heavily (and rightly so).

Sheehan got a lot of praise too. Completely different qualities than what we are used to, along the lines of him competing, breaking up play etc.

I’ve got to say it was a fantastic effort from him considering he was our only true CM out there today. 

 

[desperado]

7 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Not sure what you mean, genuinely.  We needed to in the previous 3 games, to name 3.  We didn't get a pen and an OG in them, so we didn't pull it out the bag.

Loving today's result and it gives us a massive shot in the arm, but we've under performed this season precisely by not pulling it out the bag when we needed to.  A strange statement given the season we've had.

I get what @gonzo is saying.

I made the comparison earlier in the week about pre Huddersfield away.

In a similar way the large majority of our social media fanbase were predicting gloom and doom today - Along the lines of no way are we getting anything away at in form Plymouth with a shit defence up against two world class strikers.

So when you look at it like that, it’s very much pulling it out of the bag when it wasn’t expected. 

[Johnnyrotten]

3 hours ago, frank_spencer said:

Lincoln having a storming season has really put the cat among the pigeons.

From Cardiff down the table looks pretty much as pre season thoughts were.

I would have put my mortgage on Luton and Plymouth finishing in the top 4 or 5, if not winning the league.

Then again I think they could have made better managerial appointments, and that's played into the hands of the rest of us challengers.

And as much as Lincoln have been a surprise - who would have had Stevenage finishing about 15 places above Rotherham?

[Krimzon]

 

 

Only reason Im posting this is because it looks like (to my drunk eyes) that the ref had his whistle in his mouth to give us a foul in the build up to their goal . 

[Johnnyrotten]

2 hours ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

It's where he (Conway) will end up mid-career onwards.

Never in a million years IMO.  

[Chicken dippers]

12 minutes ago, desperado said:

Plymouth fans are basing it on what they’ve seen today, not the inconsistencies we see from week to week.

I’ve chatted to a few after the game. There’s some who were a bit bitter not giving us much credit at all.

But most were very complimentary and picked out a few of our players who they thought were great.

The keeper (although they hated Bonham’s time wasting - nice to be in the receiving end of that moan 😂 -)  and all the back 4 were being praised very heavily (and rightly so).

Sheehan got a lot of praise too. Completely different qualities than what we are used to, along the lines of him competing, breaking up play etc.

I’ve got to say it was a fantastic effort from him considering he was our only true CM out there today. 

 

Some Plymouth fans on the train said the difference was Bolton had a manager who knew how to win a game of football and Plymouth didn’t. Funny how opinions can change from one game to the next. 

[Johnnyrotten]

1 hour ago, wakey said:

Spent the best part of 2 years hoping he'll come good. Shocking waste of money, be glad to see the back of him.

(for the record, if he scores the winner in the play off final I always said he was a good un)

So scoring as many goals last season as Dalby and Burstow striker will score this season is not "coming good".  I'm not saying it is or isn't, but that's the standard we have and its not easy to get better, as SS has shown.

The "waste of money" isn't relevant, its whether we have better players now whether he cost £10mil or 50p, the fee is about IEs dodgy assessment of value that we can't do anything about now.

It isn't black and white.  Tell me which signings have come good and which haven't (rhetorical question, there's no right or wrong answer).

[Johnnyrotten]

2 hours ago, Eddie said:

Couldn’t disagree more - he’s wank and we have plenty more options that I’d see ahead of him up front or wherever the fuck he was meant to be playing today.

We really don't, unless you mean Randall but he's out on loan.

[frank_spencer]

2 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

We really don't, unless you mean Randall but he's out on loan.

Maybe he's joining in Zog in the Toby Ritchie fan club?

[Traf]

Proverbial game of two halves.

Awful first half, but the character, commitment and will to win after the break was incredible, backed up by another superb travelling support.

Ended up being a great day out, managed to get back to Exeter by 6.15pm and been on the lash since!

[Johnnyrotten]

29 minutes ago, desperado said:

I get what @gonzo is saying.

I made the comparison earlier in the week about pre Huddersfield away.

In a similar way the large majority of our social media fanbase were predicting gloom and doom today - Along the lines of no way are we getting anything away at in form Plymouth with a shit defence up against two world class strikers.

So when you look at it like that, it’s very much pulling it out of the bag when it wasn’t expected. 

Correct - pulling it out of the bag when not expected.  Eg Cardiff, Huddersfield, Wycombe 2 down, Plymouth.

As opposed to pulling it out the bag when its needed - Vale, Northampton.....you get my drift.  Lincoln have pulled out those results and that's the difference, they did it again today.  But that's because they are the best team in L1, rather than having better mentality or fighting qualities, they are just the best team clearly.

[Johnnyrotten]

18 minutes ago, Chicken dippers said:

Some Plymouth fans on the train said the difference was Bolton had a manager who knew how to win a game of football and Plymouth didn’t. Funny how opinions can change from one game to the next. 

Did we have a different manager in 6 of the previous 8 games?  Us football fans talk bollocks after a defeat, or a win.  Every game is a goal either way (if its not Exeter) and we all pretend we know what causes things to happen in one game and not in another.

[Johnnyrotten]

9 minutes ago, Traf said:

Proverbial game of two halves.

Awful first half, but the character, commitment and will to win after the break was incredible, backed up by another superb travelling support.

Ended up being a great day out, managed to get back to Exeter by 6.15pm and been on the lash since!

FWIW I thought it was a comfortable 1st half, relatively.  More than the previous 2 at Vale and Rotherham.

Useless but interesting stat: Last 9 away games, won 6 of the 2nd halves, drawn 3, lost 0.  So the character and will to win in the 2nd half has never been an issue, arguably.  But having a lead to hang onto makes all the difference, it allows us to show "character" by defending and allowing the opposition to be wasteful, not by attacking or creating.  

Lost 4 of the previous 8 2nd halves away for context.

[mickbrown]

7 hours ago, Leyther_Matt said:

McAtee holding his hands up in apology as he came off btw for those who doubted it 

Hopefully an apology for stealing a living for the last couple of years.

[TM Trotter]

2 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Yes its fantastic to get a win we didn't "deserve" (in terms of possession etc).   Do the 2 shots on target include the 2 goals?  So actually none from open play (can we count pens as a shot on target?!).

It just shows as well how some things are out of our control - Reading, Rotherham and Port Vale both had very similar chances to the one Plymouth had early in the game, in that inside right position, and they buried their chances, the Plymouth guy gave Bonham a chance to save it and he did that well.  On another day, we're a goal behind and its a different game.  Or the others don't score and we go onto win those games.  Its not always about how well we play, its just that things go for you one day and not another. 

 

I just went off Livescore stats. I'd imagine they were the pen and Gale's poor effort.

We rode our luck big time but we're due some. The games we have completely dominated this season and somehow not won, ergh!

[mickbrown]

2 hours ago, wakey said:

Spent the best part of 2 years hoping he'll come good. Shocking waste of money, be glad to see the back of him.

(for the record, if he scores the winner in the play off final I always said he was a good un)

In all my years watching us, he's top of the league in being one lazy, shit,  disinterested fucker. Couldn't give less of a shit if he tried.

Honestly, I've dredged the memory banks and I can't think of a single player that has pissed me off more than that twat over the last 40 years. He's fucking infuriating.

If he's here next season I'm storming the pitch (if that's possible from the upper tiers)

[Tombwfc]

3 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

In all my years watching us, he's top of the league in being one lazy, shit,  disinterested fucker. Couldn't give less of a shit if he tried.

 

If we'd lost today I think there's a decent chance it'd be the last time he played for us. And I reckon his days are numbered regardless.

However, the last thing I'd accuse him of is a lack of effort. And SS - who sees him most - has clearly been impressed by his will to fight for his place when he could've fucked it off and taken a loan somewhere.

He just isn't very good.

[mickbrown]

Just now, Tombwfc said:

 

If we'd lost today I think there's a decent chance it'd be the last time he played for us. And I reckon his days are numbered regardless.

However, the last thing I'd accuse him of is a lack of effort. And SS - who sees him most - has clearly been impressed by his will to fight for his place when he could've fucked it off and taken a loan somewhere.

He just isn't very good.

Nah.  I wouldn't mind him being not very good, we've seen loads of them over the years. 

It's the lack of effort that boils my piss.

You can't be a professional footballer and refuse to head the ball. It's like being a swimmer and just using one arm and one leg. He's half a footballer. No amount of pointing will cover that. Dog shit.

 

[Ani]

Been out all day watching Bradford City with a few mates for a lads birthday. 8 of us in the  evening, not one of them thought it was a red.

Today imo is the best result of the season. 

[Zico]

6 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Why didn't they play today?

Thinking they were due to pay port vale who are in the fa cup

[Eddie]

7 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

We really don't, unless you mean Randall but he's out on loan.

Strikers - Dalby, Kenny, Burstow

Wingers - Gale, Cissoko, Apter (Burstow probably)

10 - Rodrigues, Dempsey, Kenny

I’d rather any of those play ahead of him, and that’s just the ones who are fit at the moment. Clearly ACD, CBT would be ahead of him and probably Forss but that’s irrelevant to some extent.

Conclusion is that IMO (and absolutely appreciate that you see it differently) I have absolutely no concern with him missing the next 3 games.

[green genie]

Oh well, just back home from Sri Lanka to see the result. Well done and hope all that travellled had a great day(s) 

Limited feedback from friends and family is we weren’t at it and Pepple still jet lagged. Hopefully we can win at Barnsley to keep season alive.

[desperado]

Is it 

🎵 That’s the way, I like it 🎵

or

🎵Max Conway, I like it🎵

A bit of both..

Or whatever the fuck you want 😂

Whatever way 🎵 I like it 😂🎵

… and its in my head this morning ….

a bit like Dalby 😉

[Matt Lofthouse]

9 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

He looked like a fish out of water to me.  Uncomfortable, need him at left back or LWB.

Agreed, even in the closing stages of injury time he wasn’t pressing the ball where it was needed. Perhaps he was blowing out of his arse at that stage, but on initial thoughts he’s not the defensive midfield ratter it looks like we might need for a couple of weeks.