Terror Attacks

[jules_darby]

you're getting as bad as Mounts and Miami

I made a prediction

 

My social media feeds confirm it was right

 

As you were

[Guest]

I made a prediction

 

My social media feeds confirm it was right

 

As you were

 

Whoever is in government would get some blame for this. The Tories would be absolutely all over it, had Corbyn just won the election.

 

Fact is that there is no way to completely stop these sorts of attacks. No way at all. 

[Escobarp]

Politics shouldn't even come into this. It's a disgrace that it is really.

[Guest]

Politics shouldn't even come into this. It's a disgrace that it is really.

There should be a cross-party approach to terrorism. About time parties worked together to resolve the issues at hand. 

[Escobarp]

There should be a cross-party approach to terrorism. About time parties worked together to resolve the issues at hand.

 

Absolutely spot on Counter terrorism should be a given with no debates or point scoring. It's evil and it's spreading like a cancer and needs cutting out somehow.

[jules_darby]

Whoever is in government would get some blame for this. The Tories would be absolutely all over it, had Corbyn just won the election.

 

Fact is that there is no way to completely stop these sorts of attacks. No way at all.

Yeah I'm sure they would

 

"Blame the govt for everything" seems to have increased an awful lot recently though

[Jol_BWFC]

That's because we care not saying you don't but sometimes folk need to say it as they see it all this pc bollocks does not begin to deal with the problem, and there is a problem, hope you at least see that.

The way to deal with this problem is to bring back the death penalty for this bloke, isn't it?

[mickbrown]

The way to deal with this problem is to bring back the death penalty for this bloke, isn't it?

 

Why?

 

He was shouting at the crowd to kill him.

 

I'm not sure a sense of impending doom stops fuckwits like this unfortunately.

[Mounts Kipper]

The way to deal with this problem is to bring back the death penalty for this bloke, isn't it?

 

The death penalty should be available for a judge to use if necessary for terrorist atrocities in my opinion. What's your point?

[Escobarp]

Why?

 

He was shouting at the crowd to kill him.

 

I'm not sure a sense of impending doom stops fuckwits like this unfortunately.

Agreed 100% it wouldn't deter them mick. But on the flip side should we pay to incarcerate these bastards for ever and a day giving them a chance to radicalise somebody else?

[mickbrown]

Agreed 100% it wouldn't deter them mick. But on the flip side should we pay to incarcerate these bastards for ever and a day giving them a chance to radicalise somebody else?

 

In the US it's actually cheaper to lock 'em up for ever than to top 'em.

[Escobarp]

How does that work? Can't understand the maths behind that

[Guest]

Yeah I'm sure they would

 

"Blame the govt for everything" seems to have increased an awful lot recently though

 

Since the Tories and sections of the media tried to blame Gordon Brown and Labour for the banking crisis. I'd say since then the precedent for blaming a government for anything that occurs on "its watch" has largely been set. 

[Escobarp]

Only thing I can think is in the us they have them rotting for ever and a day before death. Charge convict kill would save a lot of that cost.

 

It's not as if theses things are the same as a murder etc as how do you have wrongful conviction of the guy last night who ploughed his van into those people with the intention of killing them

[little whitt]

Y that Mosque

 

is it the one were that Hook Hand Cunt was at

[Latham8WFC]

The death penalty can be up to 5 x more expensive than life imprisonment based on the current US regulations. 
 
1) Jury selection takes considerably longer - based on the jurors views on the death penalty etc.
2) The judge is legally bound to appoint a second attorney to assist in the defence.
3) Death penalty trials are also longer because of the separate sentencing phase, which does not take place in non-death penalty cases.
4) Capital defendants have the option of presenting mitigating information that often would not be presented in a non-death penalty trial. This information may include expert testimony,which takes time and can be quite expensive.
5) If defence attorneys do not spend the money to hire adequate experts in the initial trial, it is more likely that the case will be sent back to the trial court on appeal (and cost yet more money).
6) The appeals process is automatic, and a judge must appoint attorneys for both a direct appeal and state writ of habeas corpus.
7) Once all state appeals have been exhausted, the attorney will ask a U.S. district judge to appoint another attorney to handle the federal writ.
8 ) A separate housing facility for death row inmates.

The inmate will then sit on death row for up to 20 years (average 17 years).
 

Edited June 19, 2017 by Latham8WFC

[Jol_BWFC]

The death penalty should be available for a judge to use if necessary for terrorist atrocities in my opinion. What's your point?

 

Less of a point, more a question. I was checking that your view remains is still that the death penalty is the best way, in your opinion, to deter people from things like this. 

 

 

Why?

 

He was shouting at the crowd to kill him.

 

I'm not sure a sense of impending doom stops fuckwits like this unfortunately.

 

I agree 100%. I wasn't proposing / supporting the death penalty (I am very much against it) but was just asking Mounts if he still sees that as the "non-PC" approach we should be taking - as that was something I recalled him saying previously.  My view is put them on trial, convict them, lock them up and throw away the key. 

Edited June 19, 2017 by Jol_BWFC

[tyldesley_white]

That about suns it up Latham

[Smiley]

TWO THINGS...

 

1) Whoever apprehended this nut job and then landed a few punches on him...... will he be afforded the same hero status the Millwall fan was the other week?

 

2) The guy that actually died, wasn't he already on the floor in a bad way before the van hit? And may not have died as a result of the attack? If so, should it make this less of a crime than it already is?

[Widnes Two Hats]

Hasn't he been charged with attempted murder rather than murder

[Widnes Two Hats]

I made a prediction

 

My social media feeds confirm it was right

 

As you were

 

Well don't keep us in suspense, what was the prediction?

[Mounts Kipper]

Less of a point, more a question. I was checking that your view remains is still that the death penalty is the best way, in your opinion, to deter people from things like this.

 

 

 

I agree 100%. I wasn't proposing / supporting the death penalty (I am very much against it) but was just asking Mounts if he still sees that as the "non-PC" approach we should be taking - as that was something I recalled him saying previously. My view is put them on trial, convict them, lock them up and throw away the key.

 

The death penalty isn't something I'd want using lightly but for certain crimes it might act as a deterrent and I'm thinking of aiding terrorists would act as a big deterrent.

[bolty58]

Propaganda value for IS immense. What a clown. Innocents killed and maimed again for what?

 

Sad times indeed but predictable for a long, long time. Enoch in 1968 with his 'rivers of blood' prediction was far sighted. This is not a new phenomenon - just a natural progression. Oil and water.

[Sweep]

I wasn't born at the time, and haven't ever heard the speech, but is it true he never actually coined the phrase "rivers of blood" at all - I think I heard this recently so it might not be true

[mickbrown]

I wasn't born at the time, and haven't ever heard the speech, but is it true he never actually coined the phrase "rivers of blood" at all - I think I heard this recently so it might not be true

 

He actually said 'As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood."'