Terror Attacks

[madthatter]

Or even analyses.

 

Steady on, the left, commy wanker is offering you a balanced argument - don't push it

 

edit - I know he's a wanker as he started a thread about how many he has a day - or something like that  

Edited June 20, 2017 by madthatter

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Well read the headlines then. Better to look at something factual than someone's 'life experiences'.

 

Read more than that actually; as I said no reason to dispute it.

 

In fairness to Bolty, many of us make assessments of economics etc based on their own experiences.

 

The folk left homeless after the grenfell fire have tended to express their belief that they're poor and that the government and economy doesn't work for them.

Plenty of others, including guys on here would argue the opposite, they've done or are doing OK for themselves.

Articles like that above, will do little to change that.

[Guest]

Read more than that actually; as I said no reason to dispute it.

 

In fairness to Bolty, many of us make assessments of economics etc based on their own experiences.

 

The folk left homeless after the grenfell fire have tended to express their belief that they're poor and that the government and economy doesn't work for them.

Plenty of others, including guys on here would argue the opposite, they've done or are doing OK for themselves.

Articles like that above, will do little to change that.

 

Ones lived experience is different to say a factual analysis of which party spends more on average....

 

I totally think there is a need to look at facts rather than the media wings of each main party. Because the amount of totally incorrect information or weighted bias from both sides is ridiculous.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Agree. But even if you do read facts, as is said above, always a doubt/belief of the facts dependent upon your view.

Very few will take the time to thoroughly research genuine independent and accurate facts; rightly or wrongly. Most don't really give too much of a toss. Me included.

[Widnes Two Hats]

To me it just seemed like Tommy Robinson was stating facts, and Piers Morgan didn't have much to come back at him with so he decided he wouldn't let him speak from then on

 

Piers Morgan doesn't come accross as very bright so he tends to talk over the person who he's supposed to be interviewing, ask irrelevant questions then keep repeating the same question before the other person has the opportunity to respond. I don't know why people agree to go on the show, he's irritates me more that anybody else on TV by a long way

[miamiwhite]

If ISIS's short history is anything to go by, we could well see a spectacular tomorrow.

 

That's due to it being the 27th day of Ramadan and the celebration of the Night of Power.

 

Fingers crossed nothing happens here or abroad, stay safe children.

[miamiwhite]

Explosions just now at Brussels Central Station.

[gonzo]

Terror attack foiled in Finland.

 

Must have missed the fins bombing Syria.

[birch-chorley]

Did they invade Iraq

 

Must have this all started there didn't it?

[Casino]

It's irrelevant which country it is

 

It's arabs v the west

[e2e4]

Did they invade Iraq

 

Must have this all started there didn't it?

we are only about 8-10 years away from being as far away from the iraq and 'meddling americans' business in the 80s ; as the 80s are away from iraq being on the axis side in ww2.

 

holy shit.

[bolty58]

 

In fairness to Bolty, many of us make assessments of economics etc based on their own experiences.

 

 

 

Can't even be arsed reading all that but, I suspect that what it fails to assess is the situation countless conservative governments have been left with after profligate spending by a socialist predecessor meaning that they have been forced to take measures from time to time which would be at odds with conservative values.

 

The imaginatively named bwfcfan5 can witter on all he likes but he cannot dispute that around the world a big majority of folk have the perception that conservative governments are better managers of economies than socialist spendaholics. This perception has not been arrived at by chance but by life experience over many decades.

[Zico]

Meanwhile in America

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/virginia-mosque-nabra-hassanen-17-abducted-killed-way-home-a7796941.html?cmpid=facebook-post

[Traf]

Piers Morgan doesn't come accross as very bright so he tends to talk over the person who he's supposed to be interviewing, ask irrelevant questions then keep repeating the same question before the other person has the opportunity to respond. I don't know why people agree to go on the show, he's irritates me more that anybody else on TV by a long way

 

 

Morgan is as thick as month old lobby

[Guest]

Can't even be arsed reading all that but, I suspect that what it fails to assess is the situation countless conservative governments have been left with after profligate spending by a socialist predecessor meaning that they have been forced to take measures from time to time which would be at odds with conservative values.

 

The imaginatively named bwfcfan5 can witter on all he likes but he cannot dispute that around the world a big majority of folk have the perception that conservative governments are better managers of economies than socialist spendaholics. This perception has not been arrived at by chance but by life experience over many decades.

 

Hang on a second. You're saying that a Tory governments have spent more on average than Labour ones because Labour ones spent more? None of that makes sense. In fact the analysis builds in some sort of corrections for perceived "economically difficult" periods for governments...for example it removes Cameron's spending post 2010 given the financial crisis. And the result is still the same.

 

The thing with perceptions is they are often wrong. There would be a wide perception amongst left and centre voters that Labour spend money to fix the mess the Tories have left the NHS in, again this would be wrong. Whilst Blair did heavily invest in the NHS this was not immediate. So was not a repair job.

 

I can see an issue where polarised politics leaves people on both sides talking within their own circles and reinforcing factually incorrect perceptions. I'm not convinced that will do anyone any good. 

[enzo gambaro]

Hang on a second.

Let me stop you there - he's lived longer than you.

[mickbrown]

Now that's how you write a headline

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/finsbury-park-mosque-terror-attack-muslims-darren-osborne-van-driver-family-neighbour-troubled-a7798256.html

[Guest]

Rumour has it the DUP are putting considerable spending demands onto the Tories as part of the deal. 1 billion worth of NI investment for health and a billion for NI infrastructure. Greater defence spending - mainly concentrated for NI firms. Scrapping air passenger duty. 

 

So to remain in government the Tories have to commit to largescale spending a lot of which would be focused on one small part of the UK. That doesn't strike me as sensible or sustainable or in the national interests. 

[Traf]

Rumour has it the DUP are putting considerable spending demands onto the Tories as part of the deal. 1 billion worth of NI investment for health and a billion for NI infrastructure. Greater defence spending - mainly concentrated for NI firms. Scrapping air passenger duty. 

 

So to remain in government the Tories have to commit to largescale spending a lot of which would be focused on one small part of the UK. That doesn't strike me as sensible or sustainable or in the national interests. 

 

No, but it serves Tory interests, so it's fine.

[Guest]

No, but it serves Tory interests, so it's fine.

 

Seems that way. Feels to me like the worst possible situation. Being held to ransom by 10 MPs with little stake at all in the wider national picture. 

[ZiggyStardust]

Seems that way. Feels to me like the worst possible situation. Being held to ransom by 10 MPs with little stake at all in the wider national picture. 

so what you are saying, is no deal is better than a bad deal ?

[Mounts Kipper]

Seems that way. Feels to me like the worst possible situation. Being held to ransom by 10 MPs with little stake at all in the wider national picture. 

 

 

It was clear that the recent election that a vote for any other party than the Tories would work against the interests of the British position in negotiating a better deal and a subsequently a better future economically for the UK outside of Europe, we now reap that reward. 

[Sweep]

Rumour has it the DUP are putting considerable spending demands onto the Tories as part of the deal. 1 billion worth of NI investment for health and a billion for NI infrastructure. Greater defence spending - mainly concentrated for NI firms. Scrapping air passenger duty. 

 

 

 

Fair fucks to them, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for them, they should demand everything they can get their hands on

[Sweep]

It was clear that the recent election that a vote for any other party than the Tories would work against the interests of the British position in negotiating a better deal and a subsequently a better future economically for the UK outside of Europe, we now reap that reward. 

 

So do we still hold the advantage over the EU and we'll get pretty much what we want, as you've suggested all along, or do you now think we won't get everything that we want?  -  if we do still hold all the cards and everything is still stacked in our favour, then surely it makes no difference if the Tory party has a majority or not.

 

For what it's worth, I still think that the Brexit negotiations should be done by a cross party team - so we show the EU a united show of strength. Everybody know's that we're leaving, they said as much in their manifestos (apart from the now defunct UKIP and Lib Dems) so should they not work together for the greater good of the UK (I know this can never happen....)

[madthatter]

 

For what it's worth, I still think that the Brexit negotiations should be done by a cross party team - so we show the EU a united show of strength. Everybody know's that we're leaving, they said as much in their manifestos (apart from the now defunct UKIP and Lib Dems) so should they not work together for the greater good of the UK (I know this can never happen....)

 

Sensible policies for a sensible and united Britain - that won't catch on