Politics

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I’ve seen a few Tory commentators say the abuse of Rayner directed by the Tory party was a mistake because she is popular. I think yougov satisfaction ratings make her second most popular politician in the country only behind Starmer. I do think they misread the national mood a bit - people had heard her story seen her standing up for herself in parliament and a lot of people liked that. 

The attack ads against her were a huge own goal

[Spider]

Just now, bwfcfan5 said:

I’ve seen a few Tory commentators say the abuse of Rayner directed by the Tory party was a mistake because she is popular. I think yougov satisfaction ratings make her second most popular politician in the country only behind Starmer. I do think they misread the national mood a bit - people had heard her story seen her standing up for herself in parliament and a lot of people liked that. 

Nah

People want posh accents, and to have their “betters” in charge. The English class system still holds appeal to a lot of folk and they prefer some Bullingdon Club type to make their decisions for them.

Some scrubber from a council estate isn’t good enough. 

[kent_white]

18 minutes ago, Spider said:

Some scrubber from a council estate isn’t good enough. 

I think people forget that a lot of scrubbers from council estates (like me) find it an inspiration that somebody who talks like them is in a position of influence. And I also find that (most) British people don't like bullies. If she spoke with received pronunciation - I very much doubt she would be the target of much ire.

[Zico]

#flatdicks

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Clearly, it isn't just FPTP that produces skewed results

This is mad

Even more so given a smaller share of the vote over here has resulted in a majority of over 150

[deeane Koontz]

Rayner does seem to make certain folk's piss boil doesn't she 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The attack ads against her were a huge own goal

For a few reasons. The Tories campaign really is odd. They were never outflanking reform on the right but Labour lost the votes they did to the left. They very easily could have come out with some more centre left economic stuff ala Boris and whilst it wouldn’t have saved the defeat it would have saved them the crushing result they did suffer. Pointing out Rayner continually who appeals to those Labour were maybe losing to the greens etc was another massively flawed strategy. 

[Casino]

12 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

For a few reasons. The Tories campaign really is odd. They were never outflanking reform on the right but Labour lost the votes they did to the left. They very easily could have come out with some more centre left economic stuff ala Boris and whilst it wouldn’t have saved the defeat it would have saved them the crushing result they did suffer. Pointing out Rayner continually who appeals to those Labour were maybe losing to the greens etc was another massively flawed strategy. 

tories, like me, who had seen enough, weren't being drawn back in the last few months

reform/brexit types werent coming back cos of some centre/left stuff

they fucked it

[Ani]

7 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

For a few reasons. The Tories campaign really is odd. They were never outflanking reform on the right but Labour lost the votes they did to the left. They very easily could have come out with some more centre left economic stuff ala Boris and whilst it wouldn’t have saved the defeat it would have saved them the crushing result they did suffer. Pointing out Rayner continually who appeals to those Labour were maybe losing to the greens etc was another massively flawed strategy. 

When I worked in Marketing one of the biggest most common mistakes made was people who produced activity that they liked but they never understood their target market. The Tories in the election seemed to produce stuff that appealed to people who would already vote for them rather looking to attract floating voters. Their biggest issue however was their track record. Given their record of spacfing money away, no surprise they messed up the campaign

Reform on the other hand targeted the very groups they wanted, people disaffected by the Tories, people in areas that were pro Brexit in deprived areas who were ignored by main parties. Add in people in those parties lazily labelling their support as 'thick and racist' which  just emphasises the earlier point it is clear why they did so well. 

[Ani]

Did not realise that there is 'prize money' for an election you get about £21k for each MP and about 21p for each vote, called short money

Nigel and the grifters could pocket nearly £1m if I understand this properly. Probably does not cover the election costs tbf. 

[little whitt]

New Chancellor 

Talking A lot of Sance  here

getting on with the job 

 

[London Wanderer]

11 hours ago, athywhite1958 said:

Why are you getting personal you fucking keyboard warrior, it is a football forum, I have my views and you and your little army of pathetic keyboard warriors have yours, 

 

You were the only one on here who started getting personal. And now you’re clearly triggered when folk give it back, though it was pretty harmless to be fair. Which is why I added the smile. But if you’ve been offended, then I apologise 👍
 

See Swanny’s post above. Says it better than I could. Commenting on an MPs shaggabity is fairly harmless if done in the right way. But labelling them as scruffy / ugly bitches isn’t you voicing your ‘views’ . It’s pathetic & misogynistic. Nowt wrong with people questioning it. 
 

Do your daughters know you speak about women like this? 

 

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, Ani said:

 

Reform on the other hand targeted the very groups they wanted, people disaffected by the Tories, people in areas that were pro Brexit in deprived areas who were ignored by main parties. Add in people in those parties lazily labelling their support as 'thick and racist' which  just emphasises the earlier point it is clear why they did so well. 

Aye

 They’ve got a lot more young people interested in politics as well. Think even I’ve underestimated the breadth of people they’ve targeted. 
 

They will keeping growing I think, though I can’t see them mounting a serious challenge on Labour . But never underestimate Nigel. 

[gonzo]

Headlines today that Labour want to relax rules on building on greenbelt.

When's the next election

[BobyBrno]

11 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

You were the only one on here who started getting personal. And now you’re clearly triggered when folk give it back, though it was pretty harmless to be fair. Which is why I added the smile. But if you’ve been offended, then I apologise 👍
 

See Swanny’s post above. Says it better than I could. Commenting on an MPs shaggabity is fairly harmless if done in the right way. But labelling them as scruffy / ugly bitches isn’t you voicing your ‘views’ . It’s pathetic & misogynistic. Nowt wrong with people questioning it. 
 

Do your daughters know you speak about women like this? 

 

As I said earlier, much worse things have been said about the Tory women. Doesn’t make it right of course but there does seem to be an element of double standards. 
Anyway, I interrupted their honeymoon period last night so I’ll leave off them until the first Budget. Expected in the Autumn I think.😊👍

[Cheese]

22 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Headlines today that Labour want to relax rules on building on greenbelt.

When's the next election

You've obviously become used to Government Policy being announced by newspapers. That's not how it works any more.

[deeane Koontz]

The prison minister appointment is refreshing. 

Rather than the usual juggling of retards they've gone and  got someone in charge who has actual expertise in the field. 

[DirtySanchez]

25 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Headlines today that Labour want to relax rules on building on greenbelt.

When's the next election

If they do, let's see how many major developments get passed by planning committees. Developments will get bogged down at appeals and the appeal system is far slower than the worst councils 

People all saying need more houses but just not near them. There's also the perception that greenbelts are lush meadows and rolling hills when often it isn't 

[gonzo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/07/07/the-muslim-vote-sectarian-insurgency-gaza-shocked-britain/?WT.mc_id=e_DM356374&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_Edi_New_Reg&utmsource=email&utm_medium=Edi_Edi_New_Reg20240708&utm_campaign=DM356374

 

The editior of the telegraph must have been reading my posts last week

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/07/07/the-muslim-vote-sectarian-insurgency-gaza-shocked-britain/?WT.mc_id=e_DM356374&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_Edi_New_Reg&utmsource=email&utm_medium=Edi_Edi_New_Reg20240708&utm_campaign=DM356374

 

The editior of the telegraph must have been reading my posts last week

More likely it was the other way round...

[deeane Koontz]

The Telegraph is more hysterical than the Daily Mail. 

[London Wanderer]

30 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Doesn’t make it right of course

In a nutshell 

[Duck Egg]

I thought this was a pretty classy response and proof that not all Tories are tossers.

 

 

[gonzo]

13 minutes ago, Cheese said:

More likely it was the other way round...

It was published yesterday.

[royal white]

12 hours ago, only1swanny said:

Absolutely pathetic reading this thread. 

I'm a Conservative party member, so here's my outlook despite that,  

Calling a woman scruffy etc is misogynistic, you wouldn't say it about a bloke etc, absolutely no need to be doing that regardless of your opinion on her looks etc. Reading opinions about women in politics on here's like stepping back into the 70's, looks first, shaggability second, anything else comes last.. it's like stepping back into the 70's.

I hope she does well, we need a shake up rather than the posh types running the show, because if she doesn't it sets the bar back for other women and those from diverse backgrounds.. May, Truss and Thatcher were all given a hard ride from the start, what's the connection, this one needs a chance rather than being hounded before she starts her first day of work. Not many Grandma's that are second in charge of a country.. 

Even as a tory member I want labour to do well, hoping they're all booted out next election but do well for the country till that point. Anyone wanting them not to is a bit of a narcissist I'm afraid. Opposition is there to hold them to account, not to block progress, which is what's happened for the last 14 years.

 

Surely on a wind up here?