gonzo Posted February 10 Posted February 10 Most folk I know who work from home spend all day tossing it off. Quote
Popular Post Cheese Posted February 10 Popular Post Posted February 10 7 minutes ago, gonzo said: Most folk I know who work from home spend all day tossing it off. Most folk you know are Blackpool Rent Boys though, so that's literally their job. Quote
Winchester White Posted February 10 Posted February 10 9 hours ago, bolty58 said: WTF are you on about? Outperforming the EU mainstay - Germany. Of course everyone will benefit when he 'gets in power'. Brexit benefits properly delivered in place of sinister cunts running interference. From a low starting point, Germany has also been hit the most through sanctions on Russian energy. Between 6% & 8% hit to GDP, yeah great stuff. https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/new-research-finds-uk-investment-up-to-18-per-cent-lower-as-a-result-of-brexit Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 10 Posted February 10 As much as there is significant criticism, and justifiably at times, our pursuit of renewables, in and of itself, is no bad thing. Green- yes, but also a step on the road to greater energy security. Farage in particular, and Conservatives to a lesser extent have become critical of net zero, so it will be very important to see how their specific policies unfold. Don't want to see the baby tossed out with the bathwater, nevertheless, the current way the nation is going about things is dreadful. Industry, and the public suffering from high prices, and this plays into the hands of the sceptics. Quote
kent_white Posted February 10 Posted February 10 11 hours ago, bolty58 said: Pretty simple. Clear and decisive competent leadership preferably with close to zero U turns. This shower of shite are rewriting the dictionary definition of 'shambolic'. It should be modified in all dictionaries to read "Starmers Labour". It started with the political incompetence of the winter fuel allowance and has snowballed from there. I think you're going to be sorely disappointed. Every government is going to make u-turns based on a variety of different factors. Public opinion/changes in the political or economic spheres/black swan events etc. What you're describing is a government that don't listen, adapt or change plans when something isn't working. I'm not sure any of us want that do we? On one hand you seem to applaud DT U-turns)/lack of clarity/indecision as soon kind of laudible qualities/art of the deal/see where the cards land/great disrupter. But on the other hand - boo loudly from the sidelines when similar things happen over here. I'm trying to be non-partisan about it whenever I can. Labour have been genuinely messy in their communications and some decisions, particularly around winter fuel payments, but "shambolic" is doing a lot of work here. Most of their difficulties stem from inherited fiscal constraints rather than incompetence? Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 10 Posted February 10 Of course governments should have a change of heart when necessary. This is entirely different though. Policies introduced after the election that there was no mention of beforehand. Some contrary to their pre election statements. This within a very short space of time after being voted in. The biggest of all "smash the gangs". What a joke. Folk have had enough. Simple as that. Quote
kent_white Posted February 10 Posted February 10 12 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Of course governments should have a change of heart when necessary. This is entirely different though. Policies introduced after the election that there was no mention of beforehand. Some contrary to their pre election statements. This within a very short space of time after being voted in. The biggest of all "smash the gangs". What a joke. Folk have had enough. Simple as that. Fair enough. I think people are unrealistic - but we'll have to agree to disagree! None of this will be relevant after Nigel's Great Leap Forward anyway! 😉 Quote
mickbrown Posted February 10 Posted February 10 10 hours ago, green genie said: Wonder which lobby group has inspired his rant against working from home? Think he may have misread the room as not the usual extreme public division on this as his usual targets He’s a cheeky fucker. Hardly ever in HP or Clacton What a twat Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 10 Posted February 10 4 hours ago, kent_white said: Fair enough. I think people are unrealistic - but we'll have to agree to disagree! None of this will be relevant after Nigel's Great Leap Forward anyway! 😉 Well, when someone explains where things have actually got better, without government style gaslighting, then there maybe something tangible for people to rethink the situation. Not just this government, but previous ones too: with far more access to data and analysis than before, a lot of the spin can be readily debunked. Separately, it now seems that Lammy has ordered the deletion of court data, under a dodgy premise. Apparently, an organisation (can't remember it's name) has been working towards making such information more readily available. As soon as the independent grooming gangs enquiry starts (whether it should be happening or not) this move happens. Which frankly, fucking stinks. There is an explanation of all this on the latest output on the blackbelt barrister YouTube channel. The chap is also launching a petition for the availability of court transcripts to anyone at no cost. Which can be a big help to anyone wishing to appeal for example. Quote
Popular Post kent_white Posted February 10 Popular Post Posted February 10 34 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Well, when someone explains where things have actually got better, without government style gaslighting, then there maybe something tangible for people to rethink the situation. Not just this government, but previous ones too: with far more access to data and analysis than before, a lot of the spin can be readily debunked. Separately, it now seems that Lammy has ordered the deletion of court data, under a dodgy premise. Apparently, an organisation (can't remember it's name) has been working towards making such information more readily available. As soon as the independent grooming gangs enquiry starts (whether it should be happening or not) this move happens. Which frankly, fucking stinks. There is an explanation of all this on the latest output on the blackbelt barrister YouTube channel. The chap is also launching a petition for the availability of court transcripts to anyone at no cost. Which can be a big help to anyone wishing to appeal for example. I can tell you what I think they've done well FWIW. Passed the Employment Rights Act. Scrapped the two child benefit cap. Concluded the (then) BMA and Nurses industrial action. Removed the ban on land based wind farms. Legislation to renationalise the railways. Improved funding for NHS and public services. Halted the rise in NHS waiting times and begun to see a reduction in them. Introduced the NHS Long Term Plan. Raised the minimum wage for about 3 million low paid workers. These are all things that are going to take a while to see a pay off, and I can empathise with their situation. I run services across Bolton. And even when things are going great - the changes I make can take 24 months minimum to really start paying dividends. And that's with relatively few people working on it and limited to just one town. Add in the complexities of multiple agencies and doing it across the UK and it's going to take a LONG time to start to see benefits. That's what I'm getting at. And what used to drive me mad when the Tories used to talk about the need for change after so long in power. I think Labour have made some sensible decisions - with very little resource. They've made one or two calamitous decisions too. But show me a government that hasn't. And they do tend to listen to the public and the party when they have gone down the wrong route. Whether you see that as a strength or a weakness probably depends on what kind of leadership style you prefer. Policy wise - I think they've done alright. I think they should really be talking to the public with greater urgency around the need to spend money on defence and where that money is going to come from. And I think they need to be seen to be achieving more on immigration (although I do get the impression that things are steadily improving). Other than that I think they've been slow and steady. If somewhat unremarkable at this moment in time. For me they should get one full stint in parliament before I make any definite decisions about whether it has/hasn't worked. Appreciate people read it differently though. Quote
Spider Posted February 10 Posted February 10 45 minutes ago, kent_white said: I can tell you what I think they've done well FWIW. Passed the Employment Rights Act. Scrapped the two child benefit cap. Concluded the (then) BMA and Nurses industrial action. Removed the ban on land based wind farms. Legislation to renationalise the railways. Improved funding for NHS and public services. Halted the rise in NHS waiting times and begun to see a reduction in them. Introduced the NHS Long Term Plan. Raised the minimum wage for about 3 million low paid workers. These are all things that are going to take a while to see a pay off, and I can empathise with their situation. I run services across Bolton. And even when things are going great - the changes I make can take 24 months minimum to really start paying dividends. And that's with relatively few people working on it and limited to just one town. Add in the complexities of multiple agencies and doing it across the UK and it's going to take a LONG time to start to see benefits. That's what I'm getting at. And what used to drive me mad when the Tories used to talk about the need for change after so long in power. I think Labour have made some sensible decisions - with very little resource. They've made one or two calamitous decisions too. But show me a government that hasn't. And they do tend to listen to the public and the party when they have gone down the wrong route. Whether you see that as a strength or a weakness probably depends on what kind of leadership style you prefer. Policy wise - I think they've done alright. I think they should really be talking to the public with greater urgency around the need to spend money on defence and where that money is going to come from. And I think they need to be seen to be achieving more on immigration (although I do get the impression that things are steadily improving). Other than that I think they've been slow and steady. If somewhat unremarkable at this moment in time. For me they should get one full stint in parliament before I make any definite decisions about whether it has/hasn't worked. Appreciate people read it differently though. Yeah but he’s REALLY BORING Quote
Sweep Posted February 10 Posted February 10 1 minute ago, Spider said: Yeah but he’s REALLY BORING at least Boris had funny hair and creased suits Quote
Spider Posted February 10 Posted February 10 4 minutes ago, Sweep said: at least Boris had funny hair and creased suits And he quoted Greek shit from 2000 years ago so he must have been WELL more clevererer than us Joe Normals and deserving of our fawning supplication. Quote
RoadRunnerFan Posted February 10 Posted February 10 7 minutes ago, Sweep said: at least Boris had funny hair and creased suits A classic English eccentric and top shagger Quote
kent_white Posted February 10 Posted February 10 1 hour ago, Spider said: Yeah but he’s REALLY BORING And he also campaigned for Jimmy Savile or something? Quote
royal white Posted February 10 Posted February 10 (edited) What a great idea. Why didn’t anyone over here think of something similar. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/10/eu-moves-closer-to-creating-offshore-centres-for-migrants-and-asylum-seekers Edited February 10 by royal white Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 10 Posted February 10 Employment right act. Potentially disastrous, not wanted by industry and has been reduced from it's initial position. 2 child benefit cap scrapping is fine, though it shouldn't be carte blanched and must have caveats. Studies showing how much some individuals can be better off by doing fuck all, claiming benefits, and having kids. Nice intention but badly designed. Wind farms- yes allow them on land. However (I may have linked this previously) there are cases where farmers are being chucked off their land, the push for wind farms isn't being matched by the necessary energy storage to smooth supply when wind/sun is reduced. Supply network is also grossly inadequate. NHS- you have mentioned just how difficult things have become since Wes introduced his policies. I think they were correct in their intention, but again it seems the wrong folk are going. An even bigger issue is the incorrect claims by the government over their increase in NHS appointments. https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-starmer-wrongly-claims-record-increase-in-nhs-appointments https://fullfact.org/government-tracker/40000-nhs-appointments-per-week/ Additionally, figures are available over the number of NHS appointments cancelled by the NHS. This continually remains between 9 and 10 percent, as it has done for a while. More appointments therefore mean more cancellations. Frankly, all these claims are just spin. Something that labour invented some time ago, and are expert at. Furthermore, spending is unaffordable- every pound borrowed means £1.05 owed or thereabouts on current rates. Wherever this "extra money" is being spent, it is increasingly unaffordable, and the necessary cuts are being thrust onto some future government to sort. Rinse and repeat. A more economically savvy lot will come in, gradually start undoing the mess, but with it's inevitable difficulties. Then they will make all the usual claims to get back in. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 10 Posted February 10 22 minutes ago, royal white said: What a great idea. Why didn’t anyone over here think of something similar. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/10/eu-moves-closer-to-creating-offshore-centres-for-migrants-and-asylum-seekers Don't worry, the ECHR will put a stop to it. Quote
Marc505 Posted February 10 Posted February 10 So, I've been trying to watch less news recently but I'm suddenly seeing quite a swell of people hammering Chris Mason on the BBC, saying he's a right wing shill. I hadn't really picked that up when I last watched it regularly, is he really that bad? I thought the BBC was too left wing?! 😀 Quote
Cheese Posted February 10 Posted February 10 6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: A more economically savvy lot will come in, gradually start undoing the mess, but with it's inevitable difficulties. Are you talking about Farage, who said Liz Truss' budget was the best thing to happen to Britain since Thatcher? Quote
kent_white Posted February 10 Posted February 10 43 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Employment right act. Potentially disastrous, not wanted by industry and has been reduced from it's initial position. 2 child benefit cap scrapping is fine, though it shouldn't be carte blanched and must have caveats. Studies showing how much some individuals can be better off by doing fuck all, claiming benefits, and having kids. Nice intention but badly designed. Wind farms- yes allow them on land. However (I may have linked this previously) there are cases where farmers are being chucked off their land, the push for wind farms isn't being matched by the necessary energy storage to smooth supply when wind/sun is reduced. Supply network is also grossly inadequate. NHS- you have mentioned just how difficult things have become since Wes introduced his policies. I think they were correct in their intention, but again it seems the wrong folk are going. An even bigger issue is the incorrect claims by the government over their increase in NHS appointments. https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-starmer-wrongly-claims-record-increase-in-nhs-appointments https://fullfact.org/government-tracker/40000-nhs-appointments-per-week/ Additionally, figures are available over the number of NHS appointments cancelled by the NHS. This continually remains between 9 and 10 percent, as it has done for a while. More appointments therefore mean more cancellations. Frankly, all these claims are just spin. Something that labour invented some time ago, and are expert at. Furthermore, spending is unaffordable- every pound borrowed means £1.05 owed or thereabouts on current rates. Wherever this "extra money" is being spent, it is increasingly unaffordable, and the necessary cuts are being thrust onto some future government to sort. Rinse and repeat. A more economically savvy lot will come in, gradually start undoing the mess, but with it's inevitable difficulties. Then they will make all the usual claims to get back in. I didn't mention extra appointments. I was talking about waiting lists. Like I said though - we all see things differently. I can't say I feel materially any different than I did under the Tories. Any government is going to have to start by making up the damage that Brexit has caused. Just to break even. If and when that's done (and that's a very big if) we might feel a bit different. My best guess is that we'll continue in a state of managed decline, sadly. Barring some hitherto unexpected event (like we crack nuclear fusion or GAI) for example. We're in an awful spot. Quote
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted February 10 Posted February 10 The best thing this or any government could do to increase prosperity is get a grip on energy costs Energy costs are killing us Quote
bolty58 Posted February 10 Posted February 10 12 hours ago, kent_white said: I think you're going to be sorely disappointed. I think you're wrong. According to one (if not both) of your 'likers', it's not going to happen anyway. Silly Starmer sycophants. Quote
bolty58 Posted February 10 Posted February 10 7 hours ago, mickbrown said: He’s a cheeky fucker. Hardly ever in HP or Clacton What a twat Give it a rest FFS. He's into the HP every morning from what I've been told. Quote
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