Ani Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 18 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said: The last time I read up on this (2017 I think) there were around 12000 kids on academy and scholarship contracts with English professional clubs. Most have intensive training 4 times a week from the age of 8 or 9. Less than 1% of the under 16s registered with clubs end up becoming professional footballers so the kids we have out there have already come through a brutal selection process, are as fit as a butcher's dog and are under no illusion as to what is required of them. IMO there are 3 possible key reasons for them getting battered: they aren't yet fully formed physically, the tactics are wrong for this group or that they just aren't good enough. It's clear that some of them still have some growing to do physically and mentally and that will come with time, patience and opportunity but they should theoretically be OK tactically and positionally after years of training and playing competitive games together which begs the question are they good enough? And the answer to that is I don't know but what I do know is that as long as we keep giving them opportunities to play, we'll sort the wheat from the chaff early doors AND we become a very attractive proposition to better quality young players who are not getting opportunities with e.g. Premiership clubs and top clubs around the world so IMO it's a harsh process/strategy but one that has a decent chance of rebuilding a solid foundation for the future on a limited/non-existent budget. They are simply physically not strong enough. Plus lacking in experience. They 100% deserve our support. But slagging the manager off for being concerned about their long term future as some have done is bollocks. If you think it through playing at such a high level physically at their age could affect them add in their incredible commitment and you are increasing the chance of doing some harm. When people express their concern about this it is (for me anyway) all about making sure these kids in their commitment and endeavour to respond to the experience and support they are getting do not harm themselves. For some of them this might be better than they would got in normal circumstances but we still need to at least think about their welfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter HomerJay Posted August 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, RUREADY2ROLL said: Losing 5-0 and 5-2 in the last two games tells us collectively the present available players cannot compete at this level (especially against 2 shit teams) but the effort is excellent and some of this group will come through this and challenge for a first team place once we bring in senior players. The so called senior players last season where mostly shit houses and unfortunately PP did not bring any youth into the side until it was too late and relegation was inevitable. I believe Murphy and Lowe have the losing, head down mentality and should be shoved to one side when eventually we get some experienced players in. If the sale drags on another month we will be too far away from the pack but if something happens soon we have half a chance of finishing 19th or 20th with a blend of these kids and some pros who know this level. Lowe has been fine. Talking the lads through the game. Hate to think what might have have happened in last two games without him. Jury is out on Murphy, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUREADY2ROLL Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Just now, HomerJay said: Lowe has been fine. Talking the lads through the game. Hate to think what might have have happened in last two games without him. Jury is out on Murphy, unfortunately. They did fine without them against Coventry; I agree an old head directing them is a good thing so maybe Lowe does help but he is a loser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowball Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 4 hours ago, birch-chorley said: Why doesn’t he just Fuck off, the cretin I’d rather watch the kids running through walls get beat every week 5 or 6 than what he swerved up last season with pro’s who didn’t give a fuck Why do we need a senior manager if we are playing kids? Fuck off Parky If it does all end then i really will.not miss folk like this. Manager (who i have slated in the past) gives an honest and heart felt plea and he gets told to fuck off. Unbelievable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Ratwhite Posted August 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 hours ago, anthonyj said: I know it might not feel that way to some, but i think what we are actually experiencing is the rebirth of out football club. The bond between the football club and the fans is healing. Slowly yes, but very surely. Results really really don't matter at the moment. COYWK Great post. Think you may be reet. Top day out yesterday. Proud as fuck. And met a hat trick of scoundrels @victor meldrew@BOWTUN BAKED and @gonzo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Lofthouse Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 8 hours ago, bolton va va said: & what horrible cunts Tranmere are.....the despicable foul on Brockbank that should have been a red card, the twattish behaviour of their keeper & their soppy fans acting up from a safe distance. In their keepers defence he was clapping our fans support when the 4th goal went in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nordkurve Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Breightmet Boy said: We didn’t have any senior players in our team for Coventry, our best result yet. As long as these lads have the guts, they’re first teamers, they’ve played together before and know each other’s game. In reply to your last sentence, our hope is that somebody buys our club and allows them in charge of the footballing side to build something, there’s not going to be miracles overnight, worth watching. The club hasn’t been able to sign a single player yet, let’s see what happens after the inks dry on the sale firstly then go on from there. None of us know what’s around the corner, as do players who may want to sign for the club, we ain’t going to attract anyone at all if we postpone games left, right and centre. The only thing certain when the ink has dried on the sale contract is that we can't buy any players. We can only get free agents and loanees. Indeed the result against Coventry was great. We rode our luck at times, but the lads should be proud of themselves for sure. The problem I see is that every game we are going to get weaker, and risk more injuries. there is a massive difference between playing a team with the same aged players week in/week out compaired to playing a team with 10 seasoned professionals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter HomerJay Posted August 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) there are no shortage of uncontracted players out there, so we can assume signing players is reasonable straight forward. the quality of those players, what kind of money they want and length of contract we will offer is debatable https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spieler/vertragslosespieler/statistik/1/plus//galerie/0?ausrichtung=alle&spielerposition_id=alle&land_id=189&altersklasse=&wettbewerb_id=alle&seit=2019&yt0=Show Edited August 18, 2019 by HomerJay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, HomerJay said: there are no shortage of uncontracted players out there, so we can assume signing players is reasonable straight forward. the quality of those players, what kind of money they want and length of contract we will offer is debatable https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spieler/vertragslosespieler/statistik/1/plus//galerie/0?ausrichtung=alle&spielerposition_id=alle&land_id=189&altersklasse=&wettbewerb_id=alle&seit=2019&yt0=Show And how fit they might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 21 minutes ago, HomerJay said: there are no shortage of uncontracted players out there, so we can assume signing players is reasonable straight forward. the quality of those players, what kind of money they want and length of contract we will offer is debatable https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spieler/vertragslosespieler/statistik/1/plus//galerie/0?ausrichtung=alle&spielerposition_id=alle&land_id=189&altersklasse=&wettbewerb_id=alle&seit=2019&yt0=Show There's loads of realistic signings in that lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 hour ago, snowball said: If it does all end then i really will.not miss folk like this. Manager (who i have slated in the past) gives an honest and heart felt plea and he gets told to fuck off. Unbelievable Apologies I thought everyone was moving heavon on earth to get these matches on, however possible For the manager to write to the league and ask them to step in and stop it seems crazy to me Thats IF he has done of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowball Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Just now, birch-chorley said: Apologies I thought everyone was moving heavon on earth to get these matches on, however possible For the manager to write to the league and ask them to step in and stop it seems crazy to me Thats IF he has done of course Parky is i think genuinely worried about the young lads and was asking for help to bring in some experienced pros. Can see him walking anyway if this goes beyond transfer window Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter barryk32 Posted August 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Matt said: In their keepers defence he was clapping our fans support when the 4th goal went in. And at the final whistle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolton va va Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 hours ago, HomerJay said: Lowe has been fine. Talking the lads through the game. Hate to think what might have have happened in last two games without him. Jury is out on Murphy, unfortunately. Agreed, i thought Lowe was our best player yesterday & was definitely helping the lads through. Lowe made more blocks & tackles than Zouma & less mistakes. That's not a pop at Zouma who is great entertainment, defended really well at times & gives us a physical presence ( i hate seeing a Bolton team bullied ) but he needs to learn when not to lunge in - a couple of times i had to cover my eyes when he went flying into challenges in the area - & when the ball just needs launching clear, but hopefully that's just experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter barryk32 Posted August 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 18, 2019 On the train back there was some bloke who sits behind Casino. He actually said "You didn't stop and clap that shower of shit off did you. They were useless, an absolute discrace". Never have I heard a more cretinous statement. If you're on here you're a fucking bellend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted August 18, 2019 Author Share Posted August 18, 2019 11 hours ago, radcliffewhite1 said: Tranmere are all over social media claiming bolton ran😀 Can’t actually believe this. Hard not to get drawn into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 37 minutes ago, snowball said: Parky is i think genuinely worried about the young lads and was asking for help to bring in some experienced pros. Can see him walking anyway if this goes beyond transfer window Again In danger of confusing a game of football with a war, these lads will be fine. Great opportunity for them! I think our situation would feel a hell of a lot worse if we were postponing matches like Bury Does anyone really want us to start postponing games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted August 18, 2019 Moderators Share Posted August 18, 2019 It would feel worse But, if there's to be no penalty for suspending games, we would probably be better off suspending til we have some reinforcements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted August 18, 2019 Moderators Share Posted August 18, 2019 Fwiw, I'd expect a dozen, at least, points penalty for bury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted August 18, 2019 Members Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 hour ago, HomerJay said: there are no shortage of uncontracted players out there, so we can assume signing players is reasonable straight forward. the quality of those players, what kind of money they want and length of contract we will offer is debatable https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spieler/vertragslosespieler/statistik/1/plus//galerie/0?ausrichtung=alle&spielerposition_id=alle&land_id=189&altersklasse=&wettbewerb_id=alle&seit=2019&yt0=Show Josh MacEachran. I remember people speaking about him in similar ways to the way they do about Foden now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted August 18, 2019 Members Share Posted August 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: Again In danger of confusing a game of football with a war, these lads will be fine. Great opportunity for them! I think our situation would feel a hell of a lot worse if we were postponing matches like Bury Does anyone really want us to start postponing games? I agree on some of the rhetoric but it is fair enough to be concerned about the physical effects these matches might have on the youngest players. It's not just about energy and enthusiasm, senior football is a notable step up in physicality and intensity. It's common to manage the minutes of very young players when they first break into the first team for that reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breightmet Boy Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 The way I see it is we fight on, we cannot show weakness at this time, we have to show that anyone can carry on and give hope to Bury and the others that will go through the same, because there will be others. To be honest i dont think we'd of took as many fans to these away games if it wasn't for our predicament, the fans have really come into their own and it makes me so bloody proud to be part of it. I've loved the games I've been to and the quality of support has been better than I've witnessed before, bar the glory days. It's definately better than the 80's we had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 It's worth pointing out that we have earned 1 point from 3 games, just like Wimbledon, Peterborough and Bristol Rovers. Also Gillingham and Accrington have 1 point from 2 games. OK our goal difference is -7, like Southend, who have no points from 3 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolton va va Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Aye, not just about managing the minutes they play but also that they would normally be helped by being surrounded by senior players. FWIW I think we have to soldier on, but personal abuse towards Parky for trying to protect his young players is shameful but not that surprising after the lies about him not acknowledging the fans at Wycombe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Ok, in reflection, cretin was a bit heavy I don’t think he should be writing to the league in order to get games postponed though, completely counter productive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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