Mental Health/Depression

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Propanolol- yyyuck!

lad went on it briefly, fuckin ell, made him feel dreadful.  😁

 

[gonzo]

49 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Propanolol- yyyuck!

lad went on it briefly, fuckin ell, made him feel dreadful.  😁

 

Not good ....suppose all these meds come with side effects, especially beta blockers like them.

Come in handy for panic attacks mind, especially alcohol withdrawal related ones

[Gonk]

2 hours ago, Dr Faustus said:

i'm ok bud- cheers... looking at my options, i know it cant carry on. tethered withdrawal might be favourite

 

Prior to my heart attack I was a daily drinker. Couple of glasses of red wine of a weekday evening, and sometimes a bit more, and 'a few' pints on a Friday and Saturday. After my heart attack / Stent  in September, started on a regime of new tablets. Having a chat with the consultant before I was discharged and he said  "you can have a drink in moderation, but promise me you will have 2 days off (don't have to be together) a week to give your liver a chance to recover. Whilst your liver is processing the alcohol it's not metabolising the drugs so they won't be as effective."  I just thought to myself "OK I'll have a couple of weeks off then, in case there were any side effects, I'll know it wasn't the alcohol getting in the way".

0.0 lagers tasted weak, somebody suggested Guinness 0.0 and it became my 'crutch'. It's so close taste wise to 'normal' Guinness. I soon realised I slept better, had less anxiety and generally felt better too. The reason I was having the alcohol was to mask the effects of how it was making me feel.

From there just kept going. 

Over 3 months later, still off it and even the 0.0 lagers taste ok, as I've lost a point of reference to the taste of a normal pint of lager.

 

[batton carrier]

On 18/12/2024 at 01:40, Dr Faustus said:

anyone ever gone cold turkey? i admit o using alcohol to mask both physical and emotional pain... i know i need to stop, cos i'm functioning where i shouldnt be- but i'll be honest i'm scared

i dont like this time of year anyway, but i'm facing those fucking demons

I hope u are ok pal.

I went cold turkey after years of drinking every day for forever. Something just clicked in my head  and I quit . I did nearly 3 months at the start of this year and it was the best decision i have ever made. Physical and mental health improved massively and as a result personal and working relationships went back to what they once were and my family got the real me back.

Jan and Feb is fairly easy as loads are off it ,weather's shit etc so a great time to have a go. I broke the cycle with drinking and I can now go out and drink a reasonable amount and come home and not wake up feeling like a twat because I don't remember coming home or what i said or did. ( i used to fucking hate myself). I filled the void with exercise and have kept that up so much so that I am ashamed of myself when I can't train due to having had a few the night b4.

Aim for a month off it buddy you won't believe how well you will feel and take it one day at a time from then on. 

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

13 hours ago, gonzo said:

Not good ....suppose all these meds come with side effects, especially beta blockers like them.

Come in handy for panic attacks mind, especially alcohol withdrawal related ones

I once had a different beta blocker, but, like him, it just made my heart beat stronger to compensate for fewer beats.

Felt like it would burst out of my chest.

He suffers from a touch of social anxiety- always has since being a toddler- but covid hit at the worst time for his social development, when he was 15.

Work is now helping him, but it's a slow process.

[gonzo]

3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I once had a different beta blocker, but, like him, it just made my heart beat stronger to compensate for fewer beats.

Felt like it would burst out of my chest.

He suffers from a touch of social anxiety- always has since being a toddler- but covid hit at the worst time for his social development, when he was 15.

Work is now helping him, but it's a slow process.

Good to hear he's getting there pal

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, gonzo said:

Good to hear he's getting there pal

He's developing a greater view of what he wants in life, but tends to see things very much from his perspective. All about growing up, learning to suffer fools etc.

He'll get there.

[mickbrown]

20 hours ago, batton carrier said:

I hope u are ok pal.

I went cold turkey after years of drinking every day for forever. Something just clicked in my head  and I quit . I did nearly 3 months at the start of this year and it was the best decision i have ever made. Physical and mental health improved massively and as a result personal and working relationships went back to what they once were and my family got the real me back.

Jan and Feb is fairly easy as loads are off it ,weather's shit etc so a great time to have a go. I broke the cycle with drinking and I can now go out and drink a reasonable amount and come home and not wake up feeling like a twat because I don't remember coming home or what i said or did. ( i used to fucking hate myself). I filled the void with exercise and have kept that up so much so that I am ashamed of myself when I can't train due to having had a few the night b4.

Aim for a month off it buddy you won't believe how well you will feel and take it one day at a time from then on. 

 

That Guinness is a midgie’s widgie away from being the same. Just lacks the feel in the mouth. 

[only1swanny]

I've been on propranolol for a long time, I have to take a low dose as my resting heart rate is about 50-54 bpm. 

Makes me feel very chilled haha

[Cheese]

 

[gonzo]

Why the rocket has Steve Peters in his life.

Ronnie O'Sullivan takes steps to stop torment: 'It's like an illness, an obsession' | Metro News https://search.app/ZHovwK6ZeH1BLUUx7

 

 

[Cheese]

53 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Why the rocket has Steve Peters in his life.

Ronnie O'Sullivan takes steps to stop torment: 'It's like an illness, an obsession' | Metro News https://search.app/ZHovwK6ZeH1BLUUx7

Tried reading that Chimp Paradox book a few years back and couldn't take it seriously. I've heard it's helped a lot of people though, so each to their own.

[Sweep]

26 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Tried reading that Chimp Paradox book a few years back and couldn't take it seriously. I've heard it's helped a lot of people though, so each to their own.

same here, I really struggled with it, I think I got about half way through and gave up, as you say though, it does seem to have helped a lot of people understand why they are like they are

[kent_white]

40 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Tried reading that Chimp Paradox book a few years back and couldn't take it seriously. I've heard it's helped a lot of people though, so each to their own.

I think it's fair to say that a few people on here talk primarily with their inner chimp. 

I found it helpful in understanding when to listen to the thoughts in my head and when to put them to one side. 

[little whitt]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

Tried reading that Chimp Paradox book a few years back and couldn't take it seriously. I've heard it's helped a lot of people though, so each to their own.

i read it in GERMANY 

after i read Guy Martins 

he said it helped him a lot 

[Cheese]

12 minutes ago, little whitt said:

i read it in GERMANY 

after i read Guy Martins 

he said it helped him a lot 

Good. Anything that helps can only be a good thing. Be it books, medication, going to the gym, wanking, bird watching, open air swimming, open air wanking, skydiving, skywanking. Whatever it takes. Try it all and stick with whatever makes you feel better.

[gonzo]

Must admit I read that amongst other books on the subject.

I soon realised they made me actually worse and made me over evaluate everything I felt.

If you're sick of feeling fucked up and anxious it's probably not a good idea to keep reading stuff about being fucked up and anxious

[L/H White]

53 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Must admit I read that amongst other books on the subject.

I soon realised they made me actually worse and made me over evaluate everything I felt.

If you're sick of feeling fucked up and anxious it's probably not a good idea to keep reading stuff about being fucked up and anxious

best off going on a bender

[thebells]

4 hours ago, Cheese said:

Good. Anything that helps can only be a good thing. Be it books, medication, going to the gym, wanking, bird watching, open air swimming, open air wanking, skydiving, skywanking. Whatever it takes. Try it all and stick with whatever makes you feel better.

What about wanking, whilst bird watching, in the gym? I got banned for that so important to be selective of your suggestions.

In all seriousness, what works for one doesn't work for the other, so everyone needs to find their own path. 

Form my own experience, the one thing I would encourage ANYONE who is struggling is to talk. People (men) worry about judgement. Fair enough. But if your mates judge you for struggling, they're cunts and the wrong mates.

Said it before, but I've been through a ton of shit and come out the other side. If anyone wants to talk, DM me. Just don't moan about how shit you think Vic is.

[kent_white]

2 hours ago, gonzo said:

Must admit I read that amongst other books on the subject.

I soon realised they made me actually worse and made me over evaluate everything I felt.

If you're sick of feeling fucked up and anxious it's probably not a good idea to keep reading stuff about being fucked up and anxious

Yeah - it's definitely one for times when you are NOT at crisis point. Get it in while you're in a relatively good place though and it will help when the shit inevitably hits the fan. At least that's what worked for me!

Marcus Aurelius and a bit of stoicism helped me the most though! 

'The past cannot harm me, and the future does not concern me yet' is a good mantra for us chronic overthinkers!

Plus it's amazing to read something written by an actual Roman Emporer who had everything - but was still struggling with the same demons as a 47 year old scratbag from Astley Bridge in 2025! 😁

Edited January 16, 2025 by kent_white

[Tonge moor green jacket]

What a guy!

[Not in Crawley]

I find reading history books calms me down. Knowing the context and our small place in things.

Understanding is the best way to crush worry.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

I find reading history books calms me down. Knowing the context and our small place in things.

Understanding is the best way to crush worry.

A good book that "takes you away" is brilliant.

As above, one that is a bit close to home, so to speak, may not be a good idea.

[Not in Crawley]

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

A good book that "takes you away" is brilliant.

As above, one that is a bit close to home, so to speak, may not be a good idea.

I find TV programmes that are close to home worse than a book.

Not be able to get through that documentary on 7/7 - tried about 3 times this week.

[RoadRunnerFan]

8 hours ago, Cheese said:

Tried reading that Chimp Paradox book a few years back and couldn't take it seriously. I've heard it's helped a lot of people though, so each to their own.

Have you tried Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman? Similar subject matter presented less cartoonishly.