Coronavirus

[leigh white]

Bent's Garden Centre is right on the GM/Warrington border, packed out to the rafters everyday and especially this time of year with their overpriced Christmas bling, I doubt they are refusing punters to enter because their postcode is in Tier 3.

[Mounts Kipper]

5 minutes ago, leigh white said:

Bent's Garden Centre is right on the GM/Warrington border, packed out to the rafters everyday and especially this time of year with their overpriced Christmas bling, I doubt they are refusing punters to enter because their postcode is in Tier 3.

Garden centres allowed to open even in lockdown. 

[leigh white]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

Garden centres allowed to open even in lockdown. 

That's my point, the pub across the road will reopen again next week so anybody can go in for a pint and a meal, it makes the situation so ridiculous.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, leigh white said:

That's my point, the pub across the road will reopen again next week so anybody can go in for a pint and a meal, it makes the situation so ridiculous.

To be fair, there's always going to be things like that no matter how they do it.

[Spider]

46 minutes ago, Traf said:

Just catching on the last few pages and...

Blaming Burnham is bollocks. North West was always going to be Tier 3. Liverpool have T2 as a thank you for being he mass test guinea pigs and for the extreme measures they had earlier. They'll be T3 in a fortnight.

Talk of nipping "over borders" for a pint is part of the wider problem. Stick to the rules FFS, you're not exempt because you're close to somewhere that is.

This

Most of us want a pint.

But if everyone just acts like a grown up for a bit longer, this can be put to bed.

Facebook is awash with people acting all confused.

Theyd be the first ones invited for a jab, and it wouldn’t be just the vaccine, the brain dead boring cunts.

[Carlos]

Reminder that Facebook is just your own actual "friends". Unless you are in groups full of boring cunts (every area has one!).

[mickbrown]

Tier 2 for me, but to be honest I'm hanging fire with my return to the boozer.

It's just a fucking bind, not enjoyable at all. Sit here, eat this, order from here, put your mask on for a piss.................I just can't be arsed with it anymore.

I'd rather have a pint with a couple of mates in my garden. Which I think I can do now. I'll have to check the rules as I'm losing track

 

[MancWanderer]

Can I officially go to my uncle’s funeral next week? I’m obvs Tier 3 but the Wirral is Tier 2. Or am I locked in as it would be classed as non-essential travel?

[L/H White]

is this correct 

London R right is higher than the north, but we're in Tier 3 while they their in 2?

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, L/H White said:

is this correct 

London R right is higher than the north, but we're in Tier 3 while they their in 2?

Yes.

[mickbrown]

5 minutes ago, L/H White said:

is this correct 

London R right is higher than the north, but we're in Tier 3 while they their in 2?

But don't they take other factors into consideration? ICU capacity, if you're a Northern monkey, etc etc

[Mounts Kipper]

10 minutes ago, L/H White said:

is this correct 

London R right is higher than the north, but we're in Tier 3 while they their in 2?

Think infection rates higher up here than London.

[L/H White]

 

[Mounts Kipper]

At least in tier 3 you can still get the big bird to the sun and forget about this for a week or 2. 

[Not in Crawley]

I thought it was lower.

Its also because we're more important.

[Guest]

53 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Tier 2 for me, but to be honest I'm hanging fire with my return to the boozer.

It's just a fucking bind, not enjoyable at all. Sit here, eat this, order from here, put your mask on for a piss.................I just can't be arsed with it anymore.

I'd rather have a pint with a couple of mates in my garden. Which I think I can do now. I'll have to check the rules as I'm losing track

 

A couple of friends?

 

[Not in Crawley]

I'll be going back on the 3rd, no doubt about it. Got a press night in town, looking forward to getting my gladrags on for the first time in a while. Sick of the suburbs now, its getting bloody boring.

[Mounts Kipper]

3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

A couple of friends?

 

He’s got 2 mirrors. 😂

[birch-chorley]

2 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It's not 300 v. 17,000 but, yes, we should probably see a sharp reduction in the number of flu cases

According to this...

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsduetocoronaviruscovid19comparedwithdeathsfrominfluenzaandpneumoniaenglandandwales/deathsoccurringbetween1januaryand31august2020
 

‘and 394 deaths due to influenza.’

It also has the 5 year average at over 17k on the Bar chart further down 

But we are agreed, the NHS won’t be needing to worry about any huge spikes of flu cases over the next couple of months 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, birch-chorley said:

Surely they aren’t expecting much of an influx due to Winter Flu? 

So far this year only 300 have died from flu (if numbers are to be believed) vs the normal average of 17,000

I’d imagine the restrictions in place for Covid will also reduce Winter Flu transmission, both here and abroad, I wonder if the Southern Hemisphere Winter Flu was lower this year? That normally comes our way 

Add that to the fact 30m are being vaccinated for it this Winter this year vs the usual 15m and I doubt Hospitals have anything to worry about that way 

I agree, I reckon flu will be less this year. However, given places like Blackburn are already bursting and flu season peaks in the new year months they're very worried.

Won't take much to push things over capacity. 

Also don't forget other ailments and injuries that still need treating.

[birch-chorley]

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I agree, I reckon flu will be less this year. However, given places like Blackburn are already bursting and flu season peaks in the new year months they're very worried.

Won't take much to push things over capacity. 

Also don't forget other ailments and injuries that still need treating.

Aye, of course, but the point was they will be expecting a Winter Flu surge soon 

30m vaccines (vs the the normal 15m) with restrictions in place that reduce all viruses spreading makes me think they won’t have any issues that way 

Winter Flu deaths are down -98% YTD which tells its own story (if correct of course) 

[Leyther_Matt]

1 hour ago, MancWanderer said:

Can I officially go to my uncle’s funeral next week? I’m obvs Tier 3 but the Wirral is Tier 2. Or am I locked in as it would be classed as non-essential travel?

You're allowed to travel out of tiers to attend funerals

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, Traf said:

Just catching on the last few pages and...

Blaming Burnham is bollocks. North West was always going to be Tier 3. Liverpool have T2 as a thank you for being he mass test guinea pigs and for the extreme measures they had earlier. They'll be T3 in a fortnight.

Talk of nipping "over borders" for a pint is part of the wider problem. Stick to the rules FFS, you're not exempt because you're close to somewhere that is.

In fairness, Liverpool has rate of less than 150 now, so level 2 seems reasonable. As you say, I can't see it staying that way though.

As for London, its growth is upward, ours is downward. There are 5 different factors used in calculation of tiers though, including actual numbers and hospital capacity. 

On those figures London will be in a better position currently. Might well not stay that way though.

All will be revealed on the 16th.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

28 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

According to this...

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsduetocoronaviruscovid19comparedwithdeathsfrominfluenzaandpneumoniaenglandandwales/deathsoccurringbetween1januaryand31august2020
 

‘and 394 deaths due to influenza.’

It also has the 5 year average at over 17k on the Bar chart further down 

But we are agreed, the NHS won’t be needing to worry about any huge spikes of flu cases over the next couple of months 

The 17,000 figure is the figure for influenza and pneumonia combined.

January 2019 - August 2019: 17,432

January 2020 - August 2020: 14,013

So a reduction of around 3,000 on last year.

I'm sure we discussed this a few weeks ago.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Aye, of course, but the point was they will be expecting a Winter Flu surge soon 

30m vaccines (vs the the normal 15m) with restrictions in place that reduce all viruses spreading makes me think they won’t have any issues that way 

Winter Flu deaths are down -98% YTD which tells its own story (if correct of course) 

Get that.

But nhs planners can't assume there won't be a surge later. Also more strokes occur in winter for example so other things to consider. There'd be outcry if they were struggling to admit folk.