Coronavirus

[only1swanny]

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Krankie saying that lockdown (in Scotland) to, most likely, continue until next review on 28 May

then be another 3 weeks after that at least.. 

[Wanderlust]

1 hour ago, ZiggyStardust said:

Doctor in France claiming they have looked at samples of those in Hospital in December, and one had Covid-19 then, a month before it was apparently imported to Europe from China.

 

May add weight to those that claim to have had it earlier than thought possible.

There have been a few doctors including some in the UK who say that Covid has been around for a while, but this is the first time that doctors have actually revisited blood samples taken from patients seen with breathing issues last year. When they found Covid was present in one of the 2019 cases they retested it several times to be absolutely certain and sure enough there it was - in France - long before the Wuhan outbreak.

I know that doesn't 100% rule out the idea that it started in China but it's pretty convincing evidence that it didn't start there.

Perhaps doctors in the UK should also run some tests on blood samples from 2019 patients here? If we're ever going to get to the root of where it came from - and perhaps thereby find something that may lead to a cure - I'd have thought it would be a priority instead of Trumpesque posturing wasting time throwing accusations at China and demanding explanations when the answer is probably far closer to home - not necessarily Europe or the USA but only through retrospective testing and tracing are we likely to get some kind of definitive answer.

[Escobarp]

8 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said:

There have been a few doctors including some in the UK who say that Covid has been around for a while, but this is the first time that doctors have actually revisited blood samples taken from patients seen with breathing issues last year. When they found Covid was present in one of the 2019 cases they retested it several times to be absolutely certain and sure enough there it was - in France - long before the Wuhan outbreak.

I know that doesn't 100% rule out the idea that it started in China but it's pretty convincing evidence that it didn't start there.

Perhaps doctors in the UK should also run some tests on blood samples from 2019 patients here? If we're ever going to get to the root of where it came from - and perhaps thereby find something that may lead to a cure - I'd have thought it would be a priority instead of Trumpesque posturing wasting time throwing accusations at China and demanding explanations when the answer is probably far closer to home - not necessarily Europe or the USA but only through retrospective testing and tracing are we likely to get some kind of definitive answer.

Although I know now of at least one person who was due to go to China in September and didn’t due to the existence of a nasty virus then. Unsure what part of China he was due to go as he is the husband of a customer of mine but that would imply some form of virus was around much earlier than their stated outbreak and it must have been bad to stop him from traveling 

[Sweep]

21 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Although I know now of at least one person who was due to go to China in September and didn’t due to the existence of a nasty virus then. Unsure what part of China he was due to go as he is the husband of a customer of mine but that would imply some form of virus was around much earlier than their stated outbreak and it must have been bad to stop him from traveling 

I went to China last September, and there was definitely some virus there, they translated it to "pig virus" I think they told us it was and sometimes they called it the "African virus" - they implied that it only infected livestock I seem to recall. When we flew from Wuhan to Taiwan, we had some proper searching of our luggage (for food products apparently) and testing of our temperatures before we were allowed to board the plane. we didn't really think much of it until we quite recently

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I can't help thinking we would've known about it sooner if it had been here last year. 

Although, I've just read that researchers in Germany estimate the true number of infected over there is ten times higher than the official figure.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

A bit of positive news:

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1257281917763891201?s=19

[Guest]

50 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

then be another 3 weeks after that at least.. 

BBC don’t seem to have picked up on the significance of this

[Sweep]

9 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I can't help thinking we would've known about it sooner if it had been here last year. 

Although, I've just read that researchers in Germany estimate the true number of infected over there is ten times higher than the official figure.

I'm of the same mind, why did we not have 400+ people passing away every day back then if it was already here?.......unless it's mutated of course

Edited May 4, 2020 by Sweep

[Ani]

8 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

A bit of positive news:

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1257281917763891201?s=19

Let’s wait for people slagging government off for wasting money. 

[peelyfeet]

44 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said:

There have been a few doctors including some in the UK who say that Covid has been around for a while, but this is the first time that doctors have actually revisited blood samples taken from patients seen with breathing issues last year. When they found Covid was present in one of the 2019 cases they retested it several times to be absolutely certain and sure enough there it was - in France - long before the Wuhan outbreak.

I know that doesn't 100% rule out the idea that it started in China but it's pretty convincing evidence that it didn't start there.

Perhaps doctors in the UK should also run some tests on blood samples from 2019 patients here? If we're ever going to get to the root of where it came from - and perhaps thereby find something that may lead to a cure - I'd have thought it would be a priority instead of Trumpesque posturing wasting time throwing accusations at China and demanding explanations when the answer is probably far closer to home - not necessarily Europe or the USA but only through retrospective testing and tracing are we likely to get some kind of definitive answer.

Virologists can trace how the virus spreads geographically by the mutations in the genome. 

As far as I'm aware there's no mutation going further back than China yet.

this explains it better than i can

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/30/science/coronavirus-mutations.html

 

[Ani]

Is the virus really a bad thing ? 
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52528149

[Sweep]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

Let’s wait for people slagging government off for wasting money. 

No doubt there will be some who do, the fact that it's not been needed is a great thing - had we needed it, it was there. The cost doesn't really matter in this instance I don't think

[Escobarp]

18 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I went to China last September, and there was definitely some virus there, they translated it to "pig virus" I think they told us it was and sometimes they called it the "African virus" - they implied that it only infected livestock I seem to recall. When we flew from Wuhan to Taiwan, we had some proper searching of our luggage (for food products apparently) and testing of our temperatures before we were allowed to board the plane. we didn't really think much of it until we quite recently

Sounds like something “similar” was around then. But given the lack of disclosure from the Chinese it will be nigh on impossible to accurately figure out when and how this started and we just need to accept that. But for every story about it “couldn’t be China because ...” there are counter stories highlighting and pointing the finger firmly still in that direction. 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Sweep said:

No doubt there will be some who do, the fact that it's not been needed is a great thing - had we needed it, it was there. The cost doesn't really matter in this instance I don't think

Too right

Imagine the screeching if the NHS didn’t have sufficient beds 

[ZiggyStardust]

1 hour ago, Hoppy510 said:

There have been a few doctors including some in the UK who say that Covid has been around for a while, but this is the first time that doctors have actually revisited blood samples taken from patients seen with breathing issues last year. When they found Covid was present in one of the 2019 cases they retested it several times to be absolutely certain and sure enough there it was - in France - long before the Wuhan outbreak.

I know that doesn't 100% rule out the idea that it started in China but it's pretty convincing evidence that it didn't start there.

Perhaps doctors in the UK should also run some tests on blood samples from 2019 patients here? If we're ever going to get to the root of where it came from - and perhaps thereby find something that may lead to a cure - I'd have thought it would be a priority instead of Trumpesque posturing wasting time throwing accusations at China and demanding explanations when the answer is probably far closer to home - not necessarily Europe or the USA but only through retrospective testing and tracing are we likely to get some kind of definitive answer.

I'm not sure it says anything of the sort. It doesn't provide evidence either way, as we don't know when the first diagnosis in China was, and it was the same month as China publically admitted the presence, not long before.

It was long before (at least 5 weeks) any other diagnosed cases in Europe.

With this, and the 2011 document that proves China didn't lie or withold infomation on 2019, I'm guessing you have a dog in thsi fight, and want it to be anywhere other than China that can be blamed for this (if, indeed, anyone can be 'blamed' for this).

 

[peelyfeet]

Just now, ZiggyStardust said:

I'm not sure it says anything of the sort. It doesn't provide evidence either way, as we don't know when the first diagnosis in China was, and it was the same month as China publically admitted the presence, not long before.

It was long before (at least 5 weeks) any other diagnosed cases in Europe.

With this, and the 2011 document that proves China didn't lie or withold infomation on 2019, I'm guessing you have a dog in thsi fight, and want it to be anywhere other than China that can be blamed for this (if, indeed, anyone can be 'blamed' for this).

 

We know what the genome in the bats is, we know what the genome in the pangolins is, we know what the genome of the first diagnosed in Wuhan in Dec is - we know roughly how long it takes for genomes to mutate. we can see all the cases in Europe and USA are after Wuhan

There's no evidence yet to suggest this didn't start in China in Oct/Nov as far as I'm aware. 

Whereabouts it started in china is another matter.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Thinking about it, if it was just an individual pangolin that had converted the bat virus, it's probable that not too many folk had contact with it, so it might have taken a little while to take off.

[peelyfeet]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Thinking about it, if it was just an individual pangolin that had converted the bat virus, it's probable that not too many folk had contact with it, so it might have taken a little while to take off.

Yeah, I think they haven't confirmed yet where the human mutation jumped from - they can see it went from bat to pangolin, but I'm not sure if they've traced it properly yet - they've probably eaten the evidence already!

Some suggest it went through dogs, others snakes - could be anything 

Apparently, Bat shit and piss mixed together "guano" is really good fertiliser,  and is collected throughout south east Asia, and south America and used by farmers - some are suggesting it jumps from here and not the bats directly.

[ProfessorWoland]

1 hour ago, Hoppy510 said:

 they found Covid was present in one of the 2019 cases they retested it several times to be absolutely certain and sure enough there it was - in France - long before the Wuhan outbreak.

 

What's the source for this? The telegraph article has Yves cohen saying they found it in France on December 27th. The wuhan outbreak was already underway then.

Edited May 4, 2020 by ProfessorWoland

[Mannyroader]

2 hours ago, Sweep said:

I went to China last September, and there was definitely some virus there, they translated it to "pig virus" I think they told us it was and sometimes they called it the "African virus" - they implied that it only infected livestock I seem to recall. When we flew from Wuhan to Taiwan, we had some proper searching of our luggage (for food products apparently) and testing of our temperatures before we were allowed to board the plane. we didn't really think much of it until we quite recently

African swine flu. China has had to import its' pork for a couple of years now. 

[Zico]

So this is what a dystopian future looks like

 

[Rudy]

3 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Lifted off Facebook from a good friend of mine, he has a point:

The premier league have issued testing kits to all players so they can check twice weekly for covid.my daughter works on d ward at bolton her youngest was I'll last week and she had to nearly beg to have her tested. (she is fine now) What a joke these overpaid prima donnas are laughing at us on there inflated wages. SHOCKING !!!  THE PREMIER LEAGUE THINK THEY ARE ROYALTY ,ARE THEY WORTH IT ?

Any kits bought are paid for privately. 
None have been issued

Players haven’t asked for tests. And if they have they have paid for them privately.

[DazBob]

16 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Lifted off Facebook from a good friend of mine, he has a point:

The premier league have issued testing kits to all players so they can check twice weekly for covid.my daughter works on d ward at bolton her youngest was I'll last week and she had to nearly beg to have her tested. (she is fine now) What a joke these overpaid prima donnas are laughing at us on there inflated wages. SHOCKING !!!  THE PREMIER LEAGUE THINK THEY ARE ROYALTY ,ARE THEY WORTH IT ?

If your friend believes that and is genuinely angry I'd suggest your friend is a moron.

[Guest]

Coronavirus TTI

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[DazBob]

I'd have thunk it's pretty obvious that the tests for footballers are all privately funded.

I'd also be amazed if any PL footballer is sat at home laughing about it.

That's Facebook for you though.