Coronavirus

[dave2980]

8 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

I am pretty sure they review the stategy and evaluation on a daily basis they, its just that you probablt don't agree on anything they do. 

Some say review this now, some say after, who is right and who is wrong, after all, we are all experts aren't we? 

I thought we were just nob heads on a football forum?

[Not in Crawley]

19 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

I am pretty sure they review the stategy and evaluation on a daily basis they, its just that you probablt don't agree on anything they do. 

Some say review this now, some say after, who is right and who is wrong, after all, we are all experts aren't we? 

No, not at all - I was just saying it needs constant updating and they need to be questioned now, not after the event.

Now is precisely the time not to cut any government slack, and especially when there are very pertinent questions hanging over the current strategy.

Nobody is saying it’s an easy job, but that’s not a reason to raise points when they are there to be raised.

Its not point scoring, it’s Parliament doing its job.

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, dave2980 said:

I thought we were just nob heads on a football forum?

We are

certainly

[mickbrown]

We all know what’s coming once this is over. 
 

‘Time to move on’

’We need to get back to work’

[Farrelli]

7 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

We all know what’s coming once this is over. 
 

‘Time to move on’

’We need to get back to work’

All sides were lying.......

[Escobarp]

😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴

[Not in Crawley]

28 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

We all know what’s coming once this is over. 
 

‘Time to move on’

’We need to get back to work’

It'll be a masterclass in obfuscation and circumlocution. Well, in any case, it'll need to be better than this; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-52562188/pmqs-starmer-and-johnson-on-uk-coronavirus-death-rates 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, ZicoKelly said:

more about Q&As to fit narratives

I'll go with that.

Much of what goes on in the hoc is just this. Very frustrating at times.

Other times, when they put their minds to it, they can be very good.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 hours ago, Duck Egg said:

Has it really?

I dont bother with newspapers these days but I must admit, my impression was that the Govt had been getting a relatively easy ride until lately.

The opposition, weak as they are, seem to be bending over backwards not to be antagonistic or seen as point scoring.

There's still lots to come out in the wash yet but if this had been Corbyn in charge I'm sure there'd be a lot more furore over us currently appearing to be the worst performing country in Europe.  

Worst performing in Europe?

You've already decided where to plant your flag I see, and there are months to go yet.

[Not in Crawley]

Well you are right TMGJ that we need to approach any statistic with caution, what criteria countries are using to measure deaths etc However, if the government themselves are using this data to celebrate successes, it's also right that the same methodology is used when it shows that are ahead of the rest of Europe. Its not flag planting, its just presenting the current position. 

[Duck Egg]

5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Worst performing in Europe?

You've already decided where to plant your flag I see, and there are months to go yet.

You'll see I used the word appearing.

It's the Govts own figures I'm using.  Their figures suggest they might be making a feck up of this, if you compare them with any other countries figures.

If you cant hold the Govt to account on matters of life and death. When can you?

It smacks of Conservative supporters who are planting flags.  Refusing to acknowledge the possibility of mistakes from their party and encouraging us all to move on, save scrutiny for later etc

[Not in Crawley]

Exactly - any party who is in government need to be held to account, and in the greatest crisis since the second world war even more so.

This is not about partisanship, its about ensuring we have a government fit for purpose to take us through this.

It isn't about gloating if you  are not a Conservative supporter, I'm willing them to succeed, to be better - learn from mistakes and be transparent. 

[deane koontz]

2 hours ago, Sweep said:

I feel a lot better, and am almost back to full strength, it's taken four weeks though and I was "fairly" healthy before hand. I'm now overly paranoid about getting it again, so I've hardly left the house (expect for walking the dog) in a month. It's fair to say, when you've had it once, you don't fancy getting it again

That's good to hear. I bet you are wary it sounded grim as fuck how you described it. Has anybody had it twice yet? Probably not a risk worth taking 

 

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, deane koontz said:

That's good to hear. I bet you are wary it sounded grim as fuck how you described it. Has anybody had it twice yet? Probably not a risk worth taking 

 

They can't decide apparently, there is a thought that some people have tested positive after being given the all clear (in South Korea I think) - but they still don't know if you are immune once you've had it. If you can't become immune, then the whole "Herd Immunity" thing goes out the window presumably

[mickbrown]

4 hours ago, Hoppy510 said:

It's a bit of a poor choice TBH. The Europeans are predominantly going with Apple and Google based systems prompting the usual accusations levelled against the IT giants harvesting personal data - but most European Governments reckon that their security is better than most and - let's be honest - they have us by the nuts already.

We on the other hand are going with a much dodgier app that is being marketed as "the NHS app" but is in fact made by Faculty, the firm formed by ex-Cambridge Analytica employees who have been rewarded for engineering Brexit with multiple Government contracts including work for NHSX and Palantir, the Californian data mining software company. The development of the Covid app wasn't even put out to tender by the NHS in the usual way - instead an extension to an existing Faculty contract was given.

But in going with a non-compatible non-mainstream platform it suggests that UK residents might not be able travel freely in Europe or the USA when restrictions are lifted.

Here is one article about the awarding of Government contracts to Faculty.

What stood out for me was "Faculty’s government work with Palantir on Covid-19 is based out of NHSX, the digital technology arm of the health service. This work was awarded to Faculty in March under the government’s fast-track procedures to respond to the pandemic, without any other firms being asked to bid for it."

"Anonymised data" is a myth as tests have shown so it comes down to who you actually trust and I trust Facult and Palantir about as far as I can chuck Blackpool Tower given their track record.

So in answer to the question, I won't be downloading the pseudo-NHS app but may download one of the Apple ones as they already have all my data.

 

Apparently doesn't work properly.

Relies on a shit load of Android users being nearby to stop iPhones bluetooth from switching off.

" iOS apps are forbidden from using Bluetooth for long after they are minimised. To keep iPhones registering contact events appears to require either the user to constantly remember to reopen and refresh the app, or stranger still, sufficient Android ‘herd immunity’ among app users, where a nearby user of a non-iPhone, if in range, nudges nearby iPhones to not fall asleep, and to keep listening out."

[peelyfeet]

46 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Exactly - any party who is in government need to be held to account, and in the greatest crisis since the second world war even more so.

This is not about partisanship, its about ensuring we have a government fit for purpose to take us through this.

It isn't about gloating if you  are not a Conservative supporter, I'm willing them to succeed, to be better - learn from mistakes and be transparent. 

Our restrictions aren't comparatively stringent, and we were too slow at first - measured here https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-lockdowns/

Been much better after the bad start IMO, and continuing to do so 

 

Edited May 6, 2020 by peelyfeet

[Not in Crawley]

Yes - they were caught short through complacency and are rapidly having to play catch up. We are seeing the consequences of lack of planning at the start now.

When the Telegraph is posting articles like the one below, then there needs to be questions.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/06/britain-criticised-around-world-dither-delay-coronavirus-response/amp/

Edited May 6, 2020 by Not in Crawley

[little whitt]

4 hours ago, Rudy’s Message said:

Suns out and it’s a bank holiday on Friday, every cunt and their dog will be out this weekend, might as well go and lick a bus pole in London. 

😂🤣🤣😂

[peelyfeet]

11 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Yes - they were caught short through complacency and are rapidly having to play catch up. We are seeing the consequences of lack of planning at the start now.

When the Telegraph is posting articles like the one below, then there needs to be questions.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/06/britain-criticised-around-world-dither-delay-coronavirus-response/amp/

as I've said a few times before, I think UK and the US law and policy making process is very good in terms of detail, but too slow, and I think we were distracted by Brexit, the new cabinet and Labour leadership.

In short, too much bureaucracy, (ironically caused by a desire to remove bureaucracy), and some bad luck with the timing.    

I think we'll fare better than most from now on though , looks like they're going to watch Germany and copy the good aspects of their removal  

[Tombwfc]

69,000 tests yesterday. 6,111 positive. 649 deaths.

Absolutely mad how demand for tests was so high (above and beyond capacity) on the 30th April and has fallen back down every day since. A staggering coincidence.

Edited May 6, 2020 by Tombwfc

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

69,000 tests yesterday. 6,111 positive. 649 deaths.

Absolutely mad how demand for tests was so high (above and beyond capacity) on the 30th April and has fallen back down every day since. A staggering coincidence.

Give it a rest

[Ani]

34 minutes ago, Sweep said:

They can't decide apparently, there is a thought that some people have tested positive after being given the all clear (in South Korea I think) - but they still don't know if you are immune once you've had it. If you can't become immune, then the whole "Herd Immunity" thing goes out the window presumably

Think latest is that there is immunity but at this stage do not know how long for. 
 

The Korean re tests were false positives as it picked up antibodies and thought these were actual infection. 

[Sweep]

8 minutes ago, Ani said:

Think latest is that there is immunity but at this stage do not know how long for. 
 

The Korean re tests were false positives as it picked up antibodies and thought these were actual infection. 

I hope so, it would be nice to get a test, and confirm if I am or am not immune

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 minutes ago, Ani said:

Think latest is that there is immunity but at this stage do not know how long for. 
 

The Korean re tests were false positives as it picked up antibodies and thought these were actual infection. 

Aye. 

Some belief that the antigen test can show a positive some time after the person seems to have got better, so it appears they've got I'll again, when it's still the same infection. (Can't remember where that report was from).

Poor bugger on the box this morning: it's come back twice since he though he'd got over it. Plenty of people say it comes in waves, but this poor buggers waves are a couple of weeks apart.

[Guest]

First question from the public;

 

Why are losing at deaths?

FFS