Covid-19

[Youri McAnespie]

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3 hours ago, MickyD said:

Glycerin based smoke was a thing used in nightclubs in the 80s. It transferred to the fire service for use in mocking up a “real life” escape from fire scenario where we filled an enclosed room to teach kids how to react in a given situation.
 

After a few weeks of use, we noticed all surfaces had an oily sheen and feel to them. Someone pointed out the smoke was, in fact, oil vapour and the oil on the surfaces would also be on our lungs and the lungs of school kids we’d been teaching. It was then decided this may be carcinogenic so it’s use was stopped. A few years later, ‘vaping’ became a thing. A vaping machine, in effect, is a miniature disco smoke machine; that same disco smoke which may be carcinogenic and which was no longer used.

 

That's how I felt, like the lining of my lungs were greasy...

I think if you exercise regularly you notice little changes more readily. You don't have to be an elite athlete either.

A mate once gave me a pile of really good quality bacon from a batch he'd got from some farm shop, so it was bacon butties for dinner every day for a week, bread toasted in the fat in the griddle pan...

My times went to shit on my runs week after, felt knackered halfway around too.

I'm surprised if the Fire Service knows this why it's been approved as 'safe'?

Perhaps they think people pegging it off vape-COPD is a cheaper route than cig-related lung cancer (treatment wise)..?

[Youri McAnespie]

3 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

I've got a BP monitor on my watch. When I was running, my resting heart rate was great, its now around 56-59.

Take it off when I've had a drink, its scary how much it increases.

Still decent that for your advanced years 😉

Mine was 46 tested repeatedly about six months ago, when doing 12 miles twice a week. I was actually perturbed about that...

There's an equation for one's 'max' when exercising and I reckon' it sets the bar pathetically low.

But when I was treadmill running (on high incline) due to a dodgy knee, I was using what I could do in my early thirties as a benchmark.

I'd be sat home later and would feel skipped/irregular beats.

Happened more than once, shit myself and swallowed my pride, accepted age reluctantly, and toned it down (a bit 😃).

I think that's why so many buy £3k bikes, they can't hack the thought the body won't behave like it once could.

I love overtaking a MAMIL on a £4k bike on my fifteen yr old 2nd hand Claud Butler I paid £130 for...

[burnden]

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Nice one. 

He has presence that fella, like him.

[stevieb]

On 14/09/2021 at 09:59, Dimron said:

I am of the opinion that there are many more variants than just alpha, delta, mu etc. etc. and it is pot luck which one you get, some are more deadly than others and I picked up a strong un.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201

As of 2 weeks ago there were 31 variants under surveillance. 

Update due any time. 

[Spider]

7 minutes ago, stevieb said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201

As of 2 weeks ago there were 31 variants under surveillance. 

Update due any time. 

Don’t these variants tend to get weaker, less deadly over time though?

We all became experts last year of course, but I think I a link off here that suggested the virus refines itself so it can occupy the host without causing lasting damage in order to survive?

Fuck knows, really, just hoping it’s starting to settle a bit like flu. Dangerous but easily manageable with vaccines.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

Don’t these variants tend to get weaker, less deadly over time though?

We all became experts last year of course, but I think I a link off here that suggested the virus refines itself so it can occupy the host without causing lasting damage in order to survive?

Fuck knows, really, just hoping it’s starting to settle a bit like flu. Dangerous but easily manageable with vaccines.

Supposedly. Not sure there's much difference between them in terms of lethality, just the increased ability to infect means more get it. Then follows more get ill and die.

Seems all isn't lost though on the benefits of the vaccine in reducing transmission. 

Two studies- after two jabs, transmission reduces between 40 and 60%

Another showing a 30% reduction after 1 jab. 

Very encouraging. 

[Not in Crawley]

There was a protest outside the kids' school when vaccinations for younger people was annouced . Loonbags handing out anti-vax leaflets.

[stevieb]

26 minutes ago, Spider said:

Don’t these variants tend to get weaker, less deadly over time though?

 

Someone should tell the media. 

Fear porn gets views and sells papers. 

[Spider]

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

There was a protest outside the kids' school when vaccinations for younger people was annouced . Loonbags handing out anti-vax leaflets.

It's one thing when they're telling adults not to have the vaccine, easily ignored.

But some scruffy cunt telling me how to look after my kids would be getting chinned, no question.

 

[Rudy]

10 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

There was a protest outside the kids' school when vaccinations for younger people was annouced . Loonbags handing out anti-vax leaflets.

They are aware that most kids have already been vaccinated for a few things by now aren’t they?

[Spider]

11 minutes ago, Rudy said:

They are aware that most kids have already been vaccinated for a few things by now aren’t they?

That doesn’t get likes on Facebook for them though

[bolton_blondie]

5 minutes ago, Spider said:

That doesn’t get likes on Facebook for them though

And they are a bit retarded. Little Chardonnay-Navaeh and Mckenzie-Liam won't be getting no fake jabs from the big pharma. 

[Rudy]

8 minutes ago, Spider said:

That doesn’t get likes on Facebook for them though

BIL Mrs (34c at a push) said since when do vaccines have boosters? I relied you don’t have kids do you?

[Not in Crawley]

Got a letter from the Head, seems the group are linked to an alt right movement in kent unsurprisingly.

[kent_white]

8 hours ago, burnden said:

 

He was brilliant in Goldfinger

[paulhanley]

9 hours ago, burnden said:

 

This chap comes out of this pandemic with immense credit. Not only is he a public health and medical expert par excellence he is also a master communicator. He works in professions that are extremely prone to mystifying jargon and acronyms and he cuts through it all effortlessly.

[Winchester White]

Our vaccination upstart was very bloody good (Boris btw wrongly said it was because we were out of the EU) with a great start but we have now lost our lead in terms of population vaccinated. Several weeks ago infact, which is why he doesn't mention it anymore in PMQs for every answer.

So, how do we get reluctant folk jabbed for the good of us all?  France has simply gone for the direct option of no jab no nightclub but nobhead backbenchers of the Tory Party boo Boris just mentioning face masks. We are almost being run by some weird cult. 😀

[stevieb]

5 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Our vaccination upstart was very bloody good (Boris btw wrongly said it was because we were out of the EU) with a great start but we have now lost our lead in terms of population vaccinated. Several weeks ago infact, which is why he doesn't mention it anymore in PMQs for every answer.

So, how do we get reluctant folk jabbed for the good of us all?  France has simply gone for the direct option of no jab no nightclub but nobhead backbenchers of the Tory Party boo Boris just mentioning face masks. We are almost being run by some weird cult. 😀

Jab doesn't stop transmission so why would you want to exclude people based on a jab that doesn't stop you from getting it or passing it on. 

Israel is one of the most vaccinated nations on earth that isn't some provincial city... 

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/israel

They are on their 3rd boosters and 4th for vulnerable boosters now with significant take up.

Yet they are still seeing rise in cases and deaths.

A vaccine passport for a vaccine that doesn't stop transmission makes zero sense. 

 

[BobyBrno]

3 minutes ago, stevieb said:

Jab doesn't stop transmission so why would you want to exclude people based on a jab that doesn't stop you from getting it or passing it on. 

Israel is one of the most vaccinated nations on earth that isn't some provincial city... 

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/israel

They are on their 3rd boosters and 4th for vulnerable boosters now with significant take up.

Yet they are still seeing rise in cases and deaths.

A vaccine passport for a vaccine that doesn't stop transmission makes zero sense. 

 

Which is why we won’t have one. However, countries with a low take up are using it as a carrot/stick to encourage people to have the vaccine.

[stevieb]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

Which is why we won’t have one. However, countries with a low take up are using it as a carrot/stick to encourage people to have the vaccine.

Very much a stick if Australia is owt to go by! 

[Winchester White]

1 minute ago, stevieb said:

Jab doesn't stop transmission so why would you want to exclude people based on a jab that doesn't stop you from getting it or passing it on. 

Israel is one of the most vaccinated nations on earth that isn't some provincial city... 

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/israel

They are on their 3rd boosters and 4th for vulnerable boosters now with significant take up.

Yet they are still seeing rise in cases and deaths.

A vaccine passport for a vaccine that doesn't stop transmission makes zero sense. 

 

No it doesn't stop transmission but it reduces it by 30-40% for Covid-19. No vaccine stops you getting a virus of any kind, it simply enables your immune system to eradicate it very quickly, hence the reduction in transmission to others.

It is a cunt of a virus and I can't help thinking this shower of a Government have learned absolutely fuck all.

[ErnestTurnip]

Israel has summat like 30% unvaccinated so it's way behind us for example. They got a good lot of first doses done early on but never kept that momentum up.

[fatolive]

2 minutes ago, stevieb said:

Jab doesn't stop transmission so why would you want to exclude people based on a jab that doesn't stop you from getting it or passing it on. 

Israel is one of the most vaccinated nations on earth that isn't some provincial city... 

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/israel

They are on their 3rd boosters and 4th for vulnerable boosters now with significant take up.

Yet they are still seeing rise in cases and deaths.

A vaccine passport for a vaccine that doesn't stop transmission makes zero sense. 

 

Context. 
It’s true to say it doesn’t stop you getting it and transmitting it 

however , it it significantly reduces the chances of you getting it in the first place . You can’t pass it on if you haven’t got it . 
it significantly reduces the chance of you passing it on if you do get it while jabbed 

it significantly reduces the risk of serious illness if you do get it . 
 

The statement Re not stopping it is true in isolation but with context it fails as an argument 

[stevieb]

4 minutes ago, fatolive said:

Context. 
It’s true to say it doesn’t stop you getting it and transmitting it 

however , it it significantly reduces the chances of you getting it in the first place . You can’t pass it on if you haven’t got it . 
it significantly reduces the chance of you passing it on if you do get it while jabbed 

it significantly reduces the risk of serious illness if you do get it . 
 

The statement Re not stopping it is true in isolation but with context it fails as an argument 

All facts. 

So why stop a negative test result also being allowed as a condition of entry.