Wanderlust Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) I don't get the concept of "virtue signalling" - it's a stupid concept as it's predicated on the definition of what is virtuous - and that all comes down to personal perception. For example, if Brexiteers argue that leaving the EU is for the express reason of improving the lot of the British people, do they consider (rightly or wrongly) that improving the lot of British people is a virtue? If so, is promising to stop immigration "virtue signalling"? Or supplying arms to Ukraine? Or skewing the economy to favour corporate business over individuals? Surely every political standpoint or policy is promoted on the basis of it being "the right thing to do" i.e. is virtuous. The reality is that no political party, movement, religion or perspective is ever promoted on the basis of non-virtuous underlying motives such as greed, power, self-interest or the need to be proven right - and the reality of accusing others of "virtue signalling" is little more than a thinly veiled attempt to avoid discussing or simply discounting the opinions of others? If folk don't like something they should have the balls to say it and explain why rather than trot out propaganda slogans designed to avoid having to justify their own position. It's weak and lazy. Edited September 11, 2023 by Wanderlust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Surely if Southgate was a virtue signaler sinister woke slag he wouldn't have picked Henderson as he plies his trade in Saudi? Tbf to GS is comments backing Hendo and mentioning the governments dealings with Saudi etc was pretty brave and he spoke brilliantly. Anything but woke or pandering to causes. Told it how it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 11, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted September 11, 2023 36 minutes ago, gonzo said: Surely if Southgate was a virtue signaler sinister woke slag he wouldn't have picked Henderson as he plies his trade in Saudi? Tbf to GS is comments backing Hendo and mentioning the governments dealings with Saudi etc was pretty brave and he spoke brilliantly. Anything but woke or pandering to causes. Told it how it is. I agree, and in some quarters he will no doubt get pelters for not refusing to pick him. Therein is the impossible position he, and Kane (who got stick for playing in the wc) will get for embroiling themselves in issues that are "no win" situations. Always folk pressurising them then willing to turn on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted September 12, 2023 Members Share Posted September 12, 2023 20 hours ago, Wanderlust said: I don't get the concept of "virtue signalling" I stopped there as this has been plain to see by anyone with even a modicum of grey matter. Interwoven with political correctness it is/has been the scourge of our times. Both products of US faux socialism, we have allowed this shit to become 'mainstream' to the detriment of one of the cornerstones of true democracy - free speech. Having said all of that, when I turn through 180 this evening when I know the first ball will be kicked, I am hoping for a comfortable victory with Bellingham providing something similar to this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted September 12, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted September 12, 2023 I went to both them play off games, hampden was a superb day out. We couldn't have been made any less welcome. Superb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 23 hours ago, Wanderlust said: I don't get the concept of "virtue signalling" It's a handy bullshit enabler. People can say it before pretty much anything they disagree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 I can see us getting beat tonight and the knives will be out tomorrow big style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 21 minutes ago, gonzo said: I can see us getting beat tonight and the knives will be out tomorrow big style They definitely have a lot of momentum behind them at the moment. This should be treated as if its an extra qualifying group game really, its going to be a battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Nah. We'll put em back in their box and remind them what a good international side looks like. 3-0 England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 12, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Marc505 said: It's a handy bullshit enabler. People can say it before pretty much anything they disagree with. It is a bit of a catch all. Exactly the same as using "Gammon". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 59 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: It is a bit of a catch all. Exactly the same as using "Gammon". Agreed. Two sides of this relentlessly boring culture war that if it hasn't ruined society as a whole, has definitely not done this place any favours at the very least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted September 12, 2023 Members Share Posted September 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Marc505 said: It's a handy bullshit enabler. People can say it before pretty much anything they disagree with. I disagree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Duck Egg said: Nah. We'll put em back in their box and remind them what a good international side looks like. 3-0 England I'll take that! Watch Leigh Griffiths rise from the dead to score 2 free kicks again now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted September 12, 2023 Members Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Duck Egg said: Nah. We'll put em back in their box and remind them what a good international side looks like. 3-0 England TBF, I think you are likely correct here. Euro finalists, World Cup semi-finalists in recent times against Faroe Island conquerors. If it goes the wrong way of course there is the bonus of seeing the bearded schnozz squirm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 12, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted September 12, 2023 Echoes of us against Wigan? I do hope we're up for the battle, because they certainly will be. Players need to thrive in the hostility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 4-1 toneet. Walk in the park. New 5 year extension for Sir Gareth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L/H White Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) zero interest in this all the weird rangers shit makes it unbearable seen loads of england fans having pics with rangers flags etc ffs Edited September 12, 2023 by L/H White Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 4 hours ago, Marc505 said: Agreed. Two sides of this relentlessly boring culture war that if it hasn't ruined society as a whole, has definitely not done this place any favours at the very least. Yup - Gammon, Snowflake, virtue-signalling.....all should be consigned to the bin. Along with fishing 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySanchez Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Not in Crawley said: Yup - Gammon, Snowflake, virtue-signalling.....all should be consigned to the bin. Along with fishing 🙂 You forgot champagne socialist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breightmet Boy Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Some shithouse has just put a home end ticket on a England page on Facebook, I'd of give my nuts for one, bit late isn't it ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 29 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said: You forgot champagne socialist Sorry? What's that? Just about the crack open the Bolly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 12, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted September 12, 2023 Who will Glasgow Rangers supporters be cheering for tonight then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little whitt Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 24 minutes ago, Spider said: Who will Glasgow Rangers supporters be cheering for tonight then? BOTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 12, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted September 12, 2023 17 minutes ago, little whitt said: BOTH Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowack Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Gareth will probably be wearing one of these tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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