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Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 6, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) "Redfern Froggatt". What a name! I'm guessing this is the full-colour picture: Edited July 6, 2022 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Interesting they use the word soccer in 1953 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briannz Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 8 hours ago, Cheese said: "Redfern Froggatt". What a name! I'm guessing this is the full-colour picture: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briannz Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) I remember a Jimmy Froggatt playing for Wednesday I think but don’t remember this guy. Edited July 7, 2022 by briannz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted July 7, 2022 Moderators Share Posted July 7, 2022 Just now, briannz said: I remember a Jimmy Froggatt playing for Wednesday I think but don’t remember this guy. Cousins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 7, 2022 Moderators Share Posted July 7, 2022 Any relation to Steve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Zico said: Any relation to Steve? or Selwyn ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannyroader Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, Zico said: Any relation to Steve? Selwyn used to be a regular at Burnden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyther_Matt Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 4 hours ago, jayjayoghani said: Interesting they use the word soccer in 1953 It’s a common misconception that it’s an Americanism. I’m sure @MalcolmWwill correct me if I’m wrong, but it was in common use since the early 1900s (if not earlier) to avoid confusion with rugby, which was presumably known as football in certain areas, and still is in the rugby league areas of Australia. Fairly sure I’m correct in thinking that it was along those lines that a lot of football clubs in the north (Huddersfield Town, Bradford City, Hull City, Leeds United, Wigan Athletic and presumably others) are ‘AFC’ (as in association football) rather than plain old FC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfc2003 Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Soccer is a term that really gets on my tits - but not as much as people - usually women - referring to the beautiful game as "Footy" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underpants Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Leyther_Matt said: It’s a common misconception that it’s an Americanism. I’m sure @MalcolmWwill correct me if I’m wrong, but it was in common use since the early 1900s (if not earlier) to avoid confusion with rugby, which was presumably known as football in certain areas, and still is in the rugby league areas of Australia. Fairly sure I’m correct in thinking that it was along those lines that a lot of football clubs in the north (Huddersfield Town, Bradford City, Hull City, Leeds United, Wigan Athletic and presumably others) are ‘AFC’ (as in association football) rather than plain old FC. I knew the etymology of the word too. I don't know if it's an urban myth but the word Soccer came about because the word Association wouldn't fit on the plaque outside Football HQ. So they abbreviated it to Assoc. Yes, the word football is all encompassing, but soccer (technically Association) is actually more definitive and accurate. It's our word the world is using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny The Ball Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Leyther_Matt said: It’s a common misconception that it’s an Americanism. I’m sure @MalcolmWwill correct me if I’m wrong, but it was in common use since the early 1900s (if not earlier) to avoid confusion with rugby, which was presumably known as football in certain areas, and still is in the rugby league areas of Australia. Fairly sure I’m correct in thinking that it was along those lines that a lot of football clubs in the north (Huddersfield Town, Bradford City, Hull City, Leeds United, Wigan Athletic and presumably others) are ‘AFC’ (as in association football) rather than plain old FC. I reckon you are more or less right - seen it in 1890s articles for sure- often spelt as Socker - back of my mind think it might have originally been a slang word used by university teams ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 3 hours ago, bwfc2003 said: Soccer is a term that really gets on my tits - but not as much as people - usually women - referring to the beautiful game as "Footy" Generally by people who don't follow the game, like the generic office bloke trying to make small talk "did you see the footy last night?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 7, 2022 Members Share Posted July 7, 2022 12 hours ago, jayjayoghani said: Interesting they use the word soccer in 1953 Not really mate. The Americans had truncated the word 'Association' well before 1953. A painful result for England in the 1950 WC Finals proved that. One of the best headlines ever though was 'USA beats England 1-1'. Great post LW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 8 hours ago, Leyther_Matt said: It’s a common misconception that it’s an Americanism. I’m sure @MalcolmWwill correct me if I’m wrong, but it was in common use since the early 1900s (if not earlier) to avoid confusion with rugby, which was presumably known as football in certain areas, and still is in the rugby league areas of Australia. Fairly sure I’m correct in thinking that it was along those lines that a lot of football clubs in the north (Huddersfield Town, Bradford City, Hull City, Leeds United, Wigan Athletic and presumably others) are ‘AFC’ (as in association football) rather than plain old FC. I'm from Warrington, and as kids we played soccer or rugby (by which I mean league). The clubs you name have an interesting history and all need to be distinguished from RFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 7, 2022 Members Share Posted July 7, 2022 8 hours ago, Leyther_Matt said: It’s a common misconception that it’s an Americanism. Every days a school day. You are correct. Charles Wreford somebody or other. The twat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcuk Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 8 hours ago, Mannyroader said: Selwyn used to be a regular at Burnden. Big mate of Frank Worthington.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted July 7, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 7, 2022 38 minutes ago, bwfcuk said: Big mate of Frank Worthington.. And how the terrace song, “We all agree, Frankie Worthy is magic!” started in homage to Bill Maynard’s catchphrase, “Magic, our Maurice.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breightmet Boy Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 3 hours ago, MickyD said: And how the terrace song, “We all agree, Frankie Worthy is magic!” started in homage to Bill Maynard’s catchphrase, “Magic, our Maurice.” I seem to remember the Burnden Paddock on that day singing “who the fucking hell is that” to Bill Maynard in front of the Manny Road End. We didn’t have a clue to who he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breightmet Boy Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 4 hours ago, bwfcuk said: Big mate of Frank Worthington.. Reckoned he wasn’t a football fan, just a huge Frankie Worthy fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannyroader Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Breightmet Boy said: Reckoned he wasn’t a football fan, just a huge Frankie Worthy fan He wrote the foreword for Frank's autobiography "One Hump or Two?" A very entertainig read if you can get a copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted July 8, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 8, 2022 11 hours ago, Mannyroader said: He wrote the foreword for Frank's autobiography "One Hump or Two?" A very entertainig read if you can get a copy. And if you enjoy reading more about his sexual exploits than his football prowess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members bolty58 Posted July 30, 2022 Members Share Posted July 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, leigh white said: What a cracker of a photo that is M. Brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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