Wanderlust Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said: See I don't get this. We don't have to employ people just because they played for us. Which academy has been more successful? I would say huge questions about our youth development in the past two decades. Not saying it was a failure - you need a full context for that. But certainly in terms of output I don't think it has come close to what was expected of it. Totally agree that without context it's difficult to assess how well the academy has done in recent years, but we did get fees and playing time out of Vela, Holden and Clough and a few bits and bobs from others so despite not knowing the full cost of the academy I'd guess it's probably washed it's face financially. Difficult seeing as a handful of clubs mop up all the best youth prospects whilst they're still in the womb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger_Dubuis Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said: Totally agree that without context it's difficult to assess how well the academy has done in recent years, but we did get fees and playing time out of Vela, Holden and Clough and a few bits and bobs from others so despite not knowing the full cost of the academy I'd guess it's probably washed it's face financially. Difficult seeing as a handful of clubs mop up all the best youth prospects whilst they're still in the womb. If a Championship club brings through an England under 21 centre half who is good enough for Arsenal, it should pay for all academy costs for 5 years, but Ken undersold Holding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Roger_Dubuis said: If a Championship club brings through an England under 21 centre half who is good enough for Arsenal, it should pay for all academy costs for 5 years, but Ken undersold Holding Absolutely. He was playing in the Europa League (and scored) within minutes of leaving us and didn't look out of place. He's won the FA Cup and Community Shield too. We might have got a bit more from add-ons if he hadn't done his ACL though. Even so, it was about £5 million short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burnden Posted September 2, 2019 Members Share Posted September 2, 2019 What system /formation does KH prefer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane57 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 (edited) Just now, burnden said: What system /formation does KH prefer? Attacking 4-3-3 according to summat Iles wrote earlier Edited September 2, 2019 by Kane57 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 2, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, burnden said: What system /formation does KH prefer? Two wingers on each side I reckon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted September 2, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2019 Proper looking forward to Hill's first press conference now. Maybe my optimism is going into overdrive, but something just feels right about all of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUREADY2ROLL Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 6 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Two wingers on each side I reckon! what 4 wingers? 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Site Supporter Cheese Posted September 3, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2019 https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17877172.boltons-new-boss-keith-hill-gives-update-bradford-city-plans/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burnden Posted September 3, 2019 Members Share Posted September 3, 2019 We are going to War Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomRepWanderer Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, burnden said: We are going to War Fucking hell, bit Hollowayesque there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Finally a manager who’s sounds like he something about them self looking forward to the Keith regime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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W.cramp Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, burnden said: Love that "I was at astley bridge cricket club". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burnden Posted September 3, 2019 Members Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) Full interview ......Brilliant !!! #KHSWA Edited September 3, 2019 by burnden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Steejay Posted September 3, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, burnden said: That's fantastic. Seems genuinely honoured to get the job. We're gonna be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter superjohnmcginlay Posted September 3, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2019 Cracking first interview, also loved the fact he was Astley Bridge Cricket Club when he got the call. When he said, we are a stable club and it’s all about building. I reckon this will be ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter HomerJay Posted September 3, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) On 02/09/2019 at 11:59, ErnestTurnip said: I posted some stuff up a few months ago on this but no idea what thread it was in. BWFC academy is very good. Ranks really high in the county on what ever they are benchmarked on. EPPP? Which i do believe i player productivity. OK, they make not be top level multi-million pound player but they are league players. We have lost 3 over the summer havent we to premier league clubs? Edited September 3, 2019 by HomerJay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter HomerJay Posted September 3, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2018/march/bolton-wanderers-academy-celebrates-productivity-success/ 2nd in the county Bolton Wanderers are delighted to announce that the club’s academy has been ranked top of the standings in terms of productivity out of the 72 English Football League sides and second out of all 92 EFL and Premier League clubs. tonight my lad signs for burnley. i have the forms in front of me... i may try and talk him out of it on the way down later... Edited September 3, 2019 by HomerJay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eavesy Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 And yet we have the lowest representation ever of youth and home grown players in our first team (prior to this season) Last season we had 1 in Luca connell. Pritchard isn’t homegrown and even then he barely played. brockbank only came in at the end of the season for 2 or 3 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErnestTurnip Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Don't like quoting myself but here was the info: Quote Posted March 6 Sorry for another long post, I seem to be trying to take up the slack that Sluffy has temporarily left. Our academy getting mentioned in this thread and the way Brentford run their set up being mentioned somewhere else got me wondering if we know how much it costs us to run it and if it is actually worth doing ? We've had the two obvious ones who got sold, Vela, and there's the likes of maybe Connell/Turner/Politic currently who may or may not make it. I don't know the figures and the gut feeling is that you should always have one to bring your own lads through to the first team or make them saleable assets but I had a quick search and it appears that although academies get audited that data is kept private. We have this news from the club website on 7th March 2018 saying we were ranked 2nd in the whole 92 in terms of productivity for season 2013/2014 - 2016/2017: https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2018/march/bolton-wanderers-academy-celebrates-productivity-success/ Then there's this article that gives us the figures for 2016/2017 showing us as 24th : https://the72.co.uk/95878/top-10-most-productive-academy-set-ups-in-football-league/ - the link to the data is towards the bottom of the page or here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/s73sf44j08345af/Academies .JPG?dl=0 And then there's this for the 2017/2018 season showing us to be 31st : http://trainingground.guru/articles/academy-productivity-rankings-2017/18 Obviously I can't vouch for any of the data in any of the 3 links but we have a bit of a feel good buzz about the academy as they do well in academy level cups and leagues but in reality that doesn't actually matter because that's not their primary goal - it could be a side effect but doesn't seem to be ? The productivity rating would seem to cover us selling them on (early or not) and so although it might feel like we are putting decent investment into the youth is it actually doing us any good? Like I said it "feels" the right thing the do and it also "feels" like they are doing a good job but if we've gone from 2nd to 31st then summat has gone wrong and gone wrong quickly, whether that is down to the current administration is another discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L/H White Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 58 minutes ago, HomerJay said: https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2018/march/bolton-wanderers-academy-celebrates-productivity-success/ 2nd in the county Bolton Wanderers are delighted to announce that the club’s academy has been ranked top of the standings in terms of productivity out of the 72 English Football League sides and second out of all 92 EFL and Premier League clubs. tonight my lad signs for burnley. i have the forms in front of me... i may try and talk him out of it on the way down later... burnley have a great setup don't they? Lad i know, he's lad is there and doing fantastic my godson has also just been invited down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 KHSWA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted September 3, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2019 Got a lump in my throat reading this. https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17878300.keith-hil-david-flitcroft-getting-bolton-wanderers-job/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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