L/H White Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 34 minutes ago, gonzo said: We currently have the elite in our team. Absolute top line, cant get any higher elite. Treble winners, Real Madrid and future ballon dor winners. Gazza was ace as he stood out in a completely shit generation on the back of a club ban in Europe. Hes an icon, a cult figure, tortured genius. But never in a million years the level we have now in Foden and Bellingham. Every player who's played with Foden and every manager says hes the most talented on the ball kid theyve ever seen. You cant have a career on what ifs. You've got to do it to be the best. Spot on this father Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 45 minutes ago, tomski said: Absolute Myth. 😂 Why they used to make all them made up statements from Works greats saying Scholes was the best. Crap for England as well. Not even close Up there with blokes that used to fancy Philipa Forrester ‘as thinking man’s totty’ haha You need to get over it pal😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 Just now, radcliffe white said: You need to get over it pal😀 Never. Wankers to a man. That said. This sidesteps this. Scholes will be remembered for licking his daughters toes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 The whole 'can't tackle' thing was bollocks too. There's a difference between not being able to tackle and being a dirty ginger cunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted October 14, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 14, 2023 3 hours ago, gonzo said: We currently have the elite in our team. Absolute top line, cant get any higher elite. Treble winners, Real Madrid and future ballon dor winners. Gazza was ace as he stood out in a completely shit generation on the back of a club ban in Europe. Hes an icon, a cult figure, tortured genius. But never in a million years the level we have now in Foden and Bellingham. Every player who's played with Foden and every manager says hes the most talented on the ball kid theyve ever seen. You cant have a career on what ifs. You've got to do it to be the best. Completely shit generation? Robson when injury free, Beardsley, John Barnes, Waddle, Lineker..... and the best of the lot... Glenn Hoddle ( light years ahead of Maddison and his like), unfortunately it was a time when it was 442 & square pegs in round holes & elite talents weren't trusted..... We've seen with the new generation how they can be hampered by poor management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 I never quite 'got' Gazzer. Obviously very capable, but not so much dim as psychologically disturbed. Reading & hearing of him he sounds a sweet kid, seeking acceptance and very funny in a rather annoying way. Easily led & a bit needy. A lost talent really, because he could have been one of the greats but his temperament meant he never quite made it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underpants Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 3 hours ago, gonzo said: We currently have the elite in our team. Absolute top line, cant get any higher elite. Treble winners, Real Madrid and future ballon dor winners. Gazza was ace as he stood out in a completely shit generation on the back of a club ban in Europe. Hes an icon, a cult figure, tortured genius. But never in a million years the level we have now in Foden and Bellingham. Every player who's played with Foden and every manager says hes the most talented on the ball kid theyve ever seen. You cant have a career on what ifs. You've got to do it to be the best. Good enough to be wanted by Lazio. The most prestigious league in Europe at that time. By using your argument, if that's what we call it, you're going down the road of saying that Pele, Maradona, Puskas & Finney were rubbish if you put them up against today's top talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 1 hour ago, DazBob said: The whole 'can't tackle' thing was bollocks too. There's a difference between not being able to tackle and being a dirty ginger cunt. Spot on He was always a snidey fucker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 14, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 14, 2023 20 hours ago, desperado said: was taking us to places we never thought was possible as an Englishman. Where was that then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter desperado Posted October 14, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 14, 2023 21 minutes ago, Zico said: Where was that then? Semi final of a World Cup! 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter desperado Posted October 14, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 14, 2023 Crazy really that now a semi would be seen as Southgate out! But back then we’d had the quarter in 86, but everything else was failure. And that semi could and should have been a lot more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 14, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 14, 2023 23 hours ago, tomski said: Never the same after the 91 cup final. Before then, One of the best ever. His performances in the run to the final were top drawer At least in my mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 22 minutes ago, Casino said: His performances in the run to the final were top drawer At least in my mind Yep. He was incredible. Arsenal in semis and sure a televised performance against Man City. Might be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 14, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 14, 2023 Port vales the one I remember! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 14, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 14, 2023 59 minutes ago, desperado said: Semi final of a World Cup! 🤣 Spose if you'd forgotten about the last one then fair enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 8 hours ago, Underpants said: Good enough to be wanted by Lazio. The most prestigious league in Europe at that time. By using your argument, if that's what we call it, you're going down the road of saying that Pele, Maradona, Puskas & Finney were rubbish if you put them up against today's top talent. By using your argument, if that's what we call it, you're going down the road of saying Gazza is in the same bracket of those you mention. Absolute horseshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said: Completely shit generation? Robson when injury free, Beardsley, John Barnes, Waddle, Lineker..... and the best of the lot... Glenn Hoddle ( light years ahead of Maddison and his like), unfortunately it was a time when it was 442 & square pegs in round holes & elite talents weren't trusted..... We've seen with the new generation how they can be hampered by poor management. Good old rose tinted specs eh Edited October 14, 2023 by gonzo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Casino said: His performances in the run to the final were top drawer At least in my mind I was a big Gazza fan for elevating the game from the doldrums of the 80s almost single handedly at times, but that FA Cup run pre-semi was 4 games v Blackpool, Oxford, Pompey and Notts County! It probably helped in them days that we only ever saw highlights, just the best moments and Gazza had a lot of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter desperado Posted October 14, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Zico said: Spose if you'd forgotten about the last one then fair enough I wasn’t even born in 66! Cant forget something you weren’t there for! 🤣 70 - quarter 74-Not there 78 - Not there 82- 2nd group stage 86 - quarter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted October 14, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 14, 2023 3 hours ago, gonzo said: Good old rose tinted specs eh Rose tinted specs would say Bobby Robson was a good England manager when in fact only another injury to a half fit Robson & a Wilkins sending off shaped 86 & in 90 player power led to Mark Wright playing in a back three. Let's have a bit of balance here, today's lot have come up short in knock out football against any quality team they've played..... Hopefully that will change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burndens Bogs Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 Loved Gazza, he was like a breath of fresh air after the likes of Robson,Wilkins etc, he offered something a bit different. If he hadn’t cut his toenails we’d have won Euro ‘96. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted October 15, 2023 Members Share Posted October 15, 2023 Another 'opinion' thread. Scholes and Gazza were absolutely brilliant in England shirts for my money. Comparison with players from Southgate's virtue signallers are as futile as comparisons with Stanley Matthews, Tom Finney and Nat Lofthouse. Different era's. I know one thing - I would much rather watch the five players mentioned in their era's than todays overpaid and over rated automotons. It's like fucking chess these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underpants Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 12 hours ago, gonzo said: By using your argument, if that's what we call it, you're going down the road of saying Gazza is in the same bracket of those you mention. Absolute horseshit. Fair enough. I concede. Gazza was no better than Carlton Palmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 Different eras are pointless comparing. Current crop wouldn’t of made it then for being too soft and being laughed at for not supping. Agree on the heroes of yesteryear looking ordinary now too as it’s evolved. Always used to watch clips of 50/60/70’s teams and used to think how shit it looked but in reality those chaps had different attributes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainmed Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 The one thing all these supposed “England greats” have in common. Won FUCK ALL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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