Transfer Gossip

[Dr Faustus]

4 minutes ago, perth_white said:

Good to see you haven't changed any, still a patronising bellend.

Genuinely think he’s autistic or lacking social skills. Referred to RS as Rival Sun (maybe he’s from Krypton?) and is so condescending it’s hard to believe he’s not deliberately being insulting. Perhaps sarcastic? Either way, I still read his (quoted) quotes in the voice of Desmond Llewelyn, regardless of his punctuation.

[masi 51]

9 hours ago, Sluffy said:

It was reported that there were initially five investors, Sharon, Luckock, Mike James, Nick Mason and Keith Morris.

Interestingly though Mason and Morris are not shown as holding any shares in FV BUT it is recorded in one of FV's accounts that Sharon acts as a proxy for other share holdings.

To be pedantic none of the share holders owned any of the assets - Football Ventures Whites Ltd do - and the shareholders own shares in FV - the point being none of them could actually sell any of FV assets if they wanted to - but they could sell their shares in FV and then only with the permission of the other four shareholders as per the companies Memorandum and Articles of Association.

Buying the club and hotel is one thing, then have then to staff and run both business and that takes additional money.

They could of course have financed that themselves but Covid hit within six months of them buying the club and they ended up by wangling a government Covid loan of £2.5m for less than 10% of FV's share ownership.

Since then the Swiss have put in significant equity leading to what I assume the EFL consider to be 'significant' ownership of BWFC and that is why the three lots of share issues allotments (totalling £20m) were made in July and August 2025 and not before FV's financial year end (30th June) as was intended - I assume the Swiss were subject to the EFL's fit and proper owners test (or whatever the new checks are now called) before the share issues were allowed.

I say this because on paper at least as at the 10th January, 2026 their shareholding was still showing as fractionally under 50%.

I think that may have been done deliberately because as I understand it, once someone owns more than 50% of FV, it triggers the club to buy back the government share holding - I think FV were wanting to avoid this for now when they could instead be strengthening the club for next season with that money.

I won't know if the government shares were bought back or not until the 10th January next year when the club has to list all its current shareholders, shareholdings.

I'm sorry you could not follow some of what I typed in my previous post because in your view I didn't write it in lay mans terms, I did actually attempt to dumb it down as much as I could but in future I'll attempt to dumb it down even further for you.

There is a saying save the best for last. My this place has certainly done that. You getting yourself barred must have hit Cheese hard because before you was barred..... His thoughts got sheltered.

You have gone around the houses and not told me anything i really did not know. Average Joe does not really care who own the car/parks hotel 

You kind of contradicted yourself in the first reply you state BMLL own 55% of the shares yet in this one it is just below 50%

We can both agree me as a simple fan does not have the intelligence to understand your posts, so perhaps it best we leave it there.

 

Enjoy Sunday

[Cheese]

57 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

There is a saying save the best for last. My this place has certainly done that. You getting yourself barred must have hit Cheese hard because before you was barred..... His thoughts got sheltered.

You have gone around the houses and not told me anything i really did not know. Average Joe does not really care who own the car/parks hotel 

You kind of contradicted yourself in the first reply you state BMLL own 55% of the shares yet in this one it is just below 50%

We can both agree me as a simple fan does not have the intelligence to understand your posts, so perhaps it best we leave it there.

 

Enjoy Sunday

Can you repeat that in English?

[Dr. Feelgood]

I'd like to say "I've missed this imput".

I'd LIKE to.

[Sluffy]

4 hours ago, masi 51 said:

There is a saying save the best for last. My this place has certainly done that. You getting yourself barred must have hit Cheese hard because before you was barred..... His thoughts got sheltered.

You have gone around the houses and not told me anything i really did not know. Average Joe does not really care who own the car/parks hotel 

You kind of contradicted yourself in the first reply you state BMLL own 55% of the shares yet in this one it is just below 50%

We can both agree me as a simple fan does not have the intelligence to understand your posts, so perhaps it best we leave it there.

 

Enjoy Sunday

Thank you for your reply and self identifying that you are simple.

Obviously I don't know what you know and what you don't know but I knew of course from your original question to me that you clearly didn't know that the 'Swiss' are in fact part of Football Ventures and not some group separate from it.

"Who owns the club now Football Ventures or the Swiss?"

And yes like everyone I do make mistakes but on this occasion the mistake is yours as you can't seem to understand simple statements.

What I wrote in previous posts above was this...

"The 'Swiss' have bought shares in it (via BMLL Ltd...)".

"Nick Luckock controlling BMLL Ltd shareholdings combined with his own holdings and that of his brothers share holdings, control approximately 55% of FV shares as at the 10th January, 2026"

Percentage Share Holdings of Football Ventures as at 10th January, 2026

BMLL Ltd - 46.21%

Nick Luckock - 3.78%

Ben Luckock - 7.27%

Total - 57.26%

I hope that now clarifies your misunderstanding of what was written?

 

Understanding the clubs accounts is not easy and I understand most fans find them boring and of no interest to them, however without the club becoming self financing we are totally dependant on the personal wealth of the club owners to keep us afloat.

Eddie Davies ploughed in over £200m before he decided enough was enough, Holdsworth took on the club but financed it by putting more debt on it by taking on a loan (Blu Marble) secured upon the clubs assets (and reportedly took £1m of that loan for himself as commission).  Anderson refused to put any of his wealth in at all and the club came close to being liquidated, and now we have FV who have already put in £60m from their own pockets (few on here seemed even be aware of that when I mentioned it just a few days ago?) with little chance of getting most of it back - and from the information contained in the clubs last accounts, there simply isn't enough money left to see out next season unless more is invested into the club.

I'm no greater or lesser a Bolton fan than anyone else on here, I simply try to understand the money side of the club and the legal requirements of its owners and try to share my understandings with fellow fans.

If you don't want to read what I post then simply put me on ignore, if you do want to know more about the clubs finances as per the published accounts or statutory requirements, then please ask and I will try to answer you the best way I know how to.

Is that ok with everyone?

And yes I will enjoy Sunday when we win!

 

[DirtySanchez]

I think Zico has opened the W/ways equivalent of Pandora's box 

[Dr. Feelgood]

If you have to post several times, using 10-15 paragraphs on most occasions you can assume people are thick, or bored, but no fckrs going to read it all.

[Alf Hartigan]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

If you have to post several times, using 10-15 paragraphs on most occasions you can assume people are thick, or bored, but no fckrs going to read any of it.

 

[Marc505]

6 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

I think Zico has opened the W/ways equivalent of Pandora's box 

 

[Sluffy]

9 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

If you have to post several times, using 10-15 paragraphs on most occasions you can assume people are thick, or bored, but no fckrs going to read it all.

Then just put me on ignore - problem solved.

 

No one can give a one line answer to the questions that were asked.

All I did was answer them because I knew what the answers were.

If you or anyone else do not wish to read what some poster writes then simply place me on your ignore list, as that's what the facility is there for.

Isn't it?

[Dr. Feelgood]

1 hour ago, Sluffy said:

Then just put me on ignore - problem solved.

 

No one can give a one line answer to the questions that were asked.

All I did was answer them because I knew what the answers were.

If you or anyone else do not wish to read what some poster writes then simply place me on your ignore list, as that's what the facility is there for.

Isn't it?

So was you being barred.

[TroySwoosh]

@Zico

 

[Sluffy]

5 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

So was you being barred.

Being barred would not have answered Rival Son's question, enlightened Masi to the fact that the Swiss and FV are not two separate groups, or informed the forum as to the clubs aggregated losses amounted to £40m at the last accounts, with FV having to put in another £20m to see us through this season.

I understand that you might not want to know these things but others clearly do as they wouldn't be asking questions as RS did, or be clearly confused as Masi was, or go out of their way to thank me publicly as RS kindly did, or even having a couple of people  go to the bother of liking my post answering Masi's questions.

Simply put me on ignore and let others who do want to know more about the clubs financial position to be able to do so.

Look I've never posted often on here and mainly when I do it is about the financials.  I seemed to have upset folk when I predicted that the Supporters Trust wouldn't amount to much, and later on when I informed the site that companies have limited liability - meaning the owner doesn't suffer any personal loss above the money he's invested as shares in the company - ie Ken Anderson legally did not have to pay the clubs wages from his own pocket.

History has shown that I was correct on both occasions but clearly there are several on here who have issues with me stemming back to those times as evidenced by the posts having a pop at me, even though I've not posted on here for the best part of six years.

It's time to move on.

I won't be posting much and when I do it will mainly be about the clubs accounts.

Just use the sites ignore feature if even that is too much for your liking and let us all just live in peace - after all we do support the same club.

How about it eh?

 

[masi 51]

6 hours ago, Sluffy said:

Thank you for your reply and self identifying that you are simple.

Obviously I don't know what you know and what you don't know but I knew of course from your original question to me that you clearly didn't know that the 'Swiss' are in fact part of Football Ventures and not some group separate from it.

"Who owns the club now Football Ventures or the Swiss?"

And yes like everyone I do make mistakes but on this occasion the mistake is yours as you can't seem to understand simple statements.

What I wrote in previous posts above was this...

"The 'Swiss' have bought shares in it (via BMLL Ltd...)".

"Nick Luckock controlling BMLL Ltd shareholdings combined with his own holdings and that of his brothers share holdings, control approximately 55% of FV shares as at the 10th January, 2026"

Percentage Share Holdings of Football Ventures as at 10th January, 2026

BMLL Ltd - 46.21%

Nick Luckock - 3.78%

Ben Luckock - 7.27%

Total - 57.26%

I hope that now clarifies your misunderstanding of what was written?

 

Understanding the clubs accounts is not easy and I understand most fans find them boring and of no interest to them, however without the club becoming self financing we are totally dependant on the personal wealth of the club owners to keep us afloat.

Eddie Davies ploughed in over £200m before he decided enough was enough, Holdsworth took on the club but financed it by putting more debt on it by taking on a loan (Blu Marble) secured upon the clubs assets (and reportedly took £1m of that loan for himself as commission).  Anderson refused to put any of his wealth in at all and the club came close to being liquidated, and now we have FV who have already put in £60m from their own pockets (few on here seemed even be aware of that when I mentioned it just a few days ago?) with little chance of getting most of it back - and from the information contained in the clubs last accounts, there simply isn't enough money left to see out next season unless more is invested into the club.

I'm no greater or lesser a Bolton fan than anyone else on here, I simply try to understand the money side of the club and the legal requirements of its owners and try to share my understandings with fellow fans.

If you don't want to read what I post then simply put me on ignore, if you do want to know more about the clubs finances as per the published accounts or statutory requirements, then please ask and I will try to answer you the best way I know how to.

Is that ok with everyone?

And yes I will enjoy Sunday when we win!

 

Not a problem you need to get rid of your window cleaner as obviously he cannot lick windows in your 6 bedroom house in Lostock as you can.

Why would i ban or ignore you...You are great entertainment value . Not really interested in the money side of things......Every one of our owners is far wealthier than me and you.

Why would i put you on ignore......You come out swinging and fighting......I asked about the clubs finances but you answered as though i was after pinching your abicas

[SalCity Biggie]

So...transfer gossip??

[masi 51]

Sluffy to Bolton nuts on a free.......Cheese driving the Taxi

[Sluffy]

7 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

Not a problem you need to get rid of your window cleaner as obviously he cannot lick windows in your 6 bedroom house in Lostock as you can.

Why would i ban or ignore you...You are great entertainment value . Not really interested in the money side of things......Every one of our owners is far wealthier than me and you.

Why would i put you on ignore......You come out swinging and fighting......I asked about the clubs finances but you answered as though i was after pinching your abicas

???

What the Devil are you talking about?

I never asked you to put me on ignore?

You might not be interested in the money side of things but others clearly are - someone has kindly liked yet another of my posts (the one that I answered your questions of me).

I come out "swinging and fighting" you say?

I simply answered all the questions you asked of me in a way that I though people could easily understand and even  enlightened you on your misconception that the Swiss and FV were two rival groups.

In reply to your response saying that I had not answered you in lay mans terms, which I had specifically endeavoured to do in the first place, I offered to attempt to dumb things down even further for you in future.

You replied by saying something about Cheese, that even he did not know what you meant, that I had contradicted myself over shares held, and you ended by self identified yourself as being simple!

I went to the trouble of explaining that you got the wrong end of the stick in respect to what I had said about the share holdings and then made a general statement to all that if they were not interested in reading my posts then simply put me on ignore.

I wasn't addressing you specifically.

I've done nothing but tried to help you understand the answers to the questions that you asked of me.

I don't see a problem in the way I've done that - clearly you do?

 

[boogs]

Im quite torn between relief at the realisation that it wasnt just a Covid based fever dream, or despair that it was actually real and happening again. 😂

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Perhaps another containment thread is in order

[jmjhb]

This is putting people off accountancy for life

[Winchester White]

3 minutes ago, jmjhb said:

This is putting people off accountancy for life

I don't know if it's the numbers or the posters tbh.

[only1swanny]

I have to deal with this at work, I come here for some sanity..

It's reminding me of the chaos unleashed last week in work when I said the Flying Scotsman had passengers.. 

 

[Alf Hartigan]

On 20/05/2026 at 01:03, Zico said:

didn't realise he was banned 

I'll lift that 

Any regrets?

[Sluffy]

I asked to return to here after a six year absence because I noticed a question on this thread from Rival Son that I knew the answer to, that few if any others would know, because the article he was questioning was factually incorrect.

I was kindly allowed to do so but before I'd even logged in there were already people posting not to allow me back.

Six years people have been carrying internet grudges.

For Christ sake isn't it about time we moved on?

I answered RS question and the questions asked of me by Masi.

That's all that I've done.

A number of people have thanked me for my input, either publicly or with likes, so there are at least a few posters on here that are interested in the clubs financial position.

I post mainly about the clubs financials, so I won't be anything like a frequent poster, so it is easy to avoid me by just by using the forums ignore feature.

There is simply no need for any poster to hound me for something I may have said or did on an internet forum from years back, the internet is not real life.

Isn't it about time to forgive and forget - six years is long enough isn't it?

I'm not here to wind anybody up or piss on their chips, or whatever it is you think I do?

I've answered all the questions asked about the accounts, I've seemingly been the first to let people know that FV have invested £60m to cover most of the clubs accrued trading debts up to the end of this season, so I'll just stop posting for a while to let things settle down and won't post again until someone has a question about FV and their accounts that I know the answer to.

I'm sorry that my reappearance seems not to have gone down well with many of those who carry these long held internet grudges against me but as they say it takes two to tango, and I've only been one side of the 'noise' that has been occurring over the last few days.

 

[perth_white]