Transfer Gossip

[onefinfrandsen]

3 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

100% correct, not getting the comments he was decent when he played for us, had loads of chances and was mediocre. 

When he joined in January that first season he seemed hungry and looked like he had something about him, but last season and this he’s just not progressed, nothing against the lad wish him well.

[L/H White]

2 hours ago, Zico said:

Aye, always thought when he got a chance he did enough to warrant further chances and more game time than he did 

Still not quite sure what nlundulus exact role is but he clearly does it well enough to get a contract and regular appearances

The new Kachunga 

 

[Zico]

10 hours ago, L/H White said:

The new Kachunga 

 

See I thought Kachunga was alright and did a job, he didn't score much but he could do other things that helped the team

[Casino]

its a very low bar but i think there may have been an improvement in lulu last night

 

he seemed to me more interested and seemed much more mobile

if he was 19, i'd be saying theres every chance, its just that hes not a kid

[Cheese]

 

[L/H White]

24 minutes ago, Casino said:

its a very low bar but i think there may have been an improvement in lulu last night

 

he seemed to me more interested and seemed much more mobile

if he was 19, i'd be saying theres every chance, its just that hes not a kid

prob because we was against much lesser competition, he still didnt contribute 

 

[Dr. Feelgood]

22 minutes ago, Casino said:

its a very low bar but i think there may have been an improvement in lulu last night

As ever, we can only rely of IE & his team who clearly see something in him in training that makes it all worthwhile.

But it's currently quite an ask to get the fans to see it in his play. ... & that's not just half a dozen games in this season, but half a season last year.

[meanderson93]

15 minutes ago, Cheese said:

 

It's getting to the point now that you have to start questioning whether Evatt/Markham have an insane ability to scout RWBs or if the system we use just heavily favours creating to the right side of the formation. 

It seems somewhat unlikely that we have had Fossey, Bradley and now JDC all be our most important creative outlets in the final 3rd purely by chance of them being that good. When you sprinkle in that Jones, Kioso and even Hickman and Isgrove have looked capable and influential at times operating in that role, it starts to become quite clear that the system is heavily weighted on the right side being key to how we play. 

Makes you wonder why more oppositions haven't keyed into that more, and I wonder if it's a conscious thing from us or just a subconscious bias by our midfield and defence to favour playing that way as the majority are right footed? 

[Whitesince63]

7 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

As ever, we can only rely of IE & his team who clearly see something in him in training that makes it all worthwhile.

But it's currently quite an ask to get the fans to see it in his play. ... & that's not just half a dozen games in this season, but half a season last year.

It’s not just IE or in training that something can be seen in Dan I think most can see the ability there it’s just not really come out yet. I thought last night he looked much sharper and was unlucky not to break his duck but I’m sure when he does it’ll do worlds for his confidence and then we’ll see what he’s got. It may not, that’s the risk clubs in our position have to take but if Evatt can get a tune out of him then it’s happy days. 😉

[Cheese]

15 minutes ago, meanderson93 said:

It's getting to the point now that you have to start questioning whether Evatt/Markham have an insane ability to scout RWBs or if the system we use just heavily favours creating to the right side of the formation. 

It seems somewhat unlikely that we have had Fossey, Bradley and now JDC all be our most important creative outlets in the final 3rd purely by chance of them being that good. When you sprinkle in that Jones, Kioso and even Hickman and Isgrove have looked capable and influential at times operating in that role, it starts to become quite clear that the system is heavily weighted on the right side being key to how we play. 

Makes you wonder why more oppositions haven't keyed into that more, and I wonder if it's a conscious thing from us or just a subconscious bias by our midfield and defence to favour playing that way as the majority are right footed? 

Probably a bit of both, plus LWB's are a lot more scarce.

[Traf]

30 minutes ago, meanderson93 said:

It's getting to the point now that you have to start questioning whether Evatt/Markham have an insane ability to scout RWBs or if the system we use just heavily favours creating to the right side of the formation. 

It seems somewhat unlikely that we have had Fossey, Bradley and now JDC all be our most important creative outlets in the final 3rd purely by chance of them being that good. When you sprinkle in that Jones, Kioso and even Hickman and Isgrove have looked capable and influential at times operating in that role, it starts to become quite clear that the system is heavily weighted on the right side being key to how we play. 

Makes you wonder why more oppositions haven't keyed into that more, and I wonder if it's a conscious thing from us or just a subconscious bias by our midfield and defence to favour playing that way as the majority are right footed? 

I think there are just more right footed players than left footed ones.

[bolton va va]

My view on Dan is that he isn't a striker, he doesn't seem to have the instinct/movement of a striker ( unlike Victor )but has had brief good moments running with the ball....maybe he's more of an attacking midfielder type thing.

Trouble is that he's 24 but plays more like an inexperienced 19 year old......but it's too soon to write him off.

[radcliffe white]

It’s the length of the deal that’s the worry 3years!, Potentially what you do loan him out? but he ain’t a kid like others say 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

6 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

It’s the length of the deal that’s the worry 3years!, Potentially what you do loan him out? but he ain’t a kid like others say 

Thing is, he's not going to improve being sat on the bench all the time.

As you say, he's still young but not a kid, so does need games.

It may be that a goal or two will set him off, but how long would that take?

A quandary for Evatt, and he may have to bite the bullet and give him more time, with the risk that entails. Or bite the bullet and loan him out.

Edited September 6, 2023 by Tonge moor green jacket

[radcliffe white]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Thing is, he's not going to improve being sat on the bench all the time.

As you say, he's still young but not a kid, so does need games.

It may be that a goal or two will set him off, but how long would that take?

A quandary for Evatt, and he may have to bite the bullet and give him more time, with the risk that entails. Or bite the bullet and loan him out.

Last night is for sort of game where your looking for him to impress

personally our attacking options could be a problem unless something changes in January, lots of pressure on Charles as our back up isn’t good enough for me

Vic is slowly getting better but I wouldn’t expect a good return of I’m honest

JDB not prolific and will only work with someone who can hold the ball up (only Charles) and of course his injuries

Dan & Jerome as we seen against Derby they can’t even sow the game down for the last 15 mins as they can’t keep hold of the ball!

 

[Cheese]

14 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

It’s the length of the deal that’s the worry 3years!, Potentially what you do loan him out? but he ain’t a kid like others say 

No, you trust Evatt and the recruitment team that we've signed him for a reason and he'll come good given enough game time.

[Traf]

4 minutes ago, Cheese said:

No, you trust Evatt and the recruitment team that we've signed him for a reason and he'll come good given enough game time.

He won't.

They don't get everything right.

[radcliffe white]

4 minutes ago, Cheese said:

No, you trust Evatt and the recruitment team that we've signed him for a reason and he'll come good given enough game time.

We went through time with kachunga sometimes you have to move on (I’m not saying ditch him now) but 3 years seemed very excessive imagine we go up how would he fair in the championship 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, Traf said:

He won't.

They don't get everything right.

That is my concern.

As above, he needs a run to see if he can build confidence etc, but I'm not sure Evatt trusts him enough to give him that run.

Catch 22.

[Eddie]

8 minutes ago, Traf said:

He won't.

They don't get everything right.

Weird thing is though, I’d expect them to not get everything right but to get one wrong when you’ve already had him for 6 months would seem pretty strange. This wasn’t a gamble based on scouting reports, he knows exactly what he’s getting with Dan and still thought he was paying a fee for - he’s seen something that none of us have, it’s the only explanation.

[Cheese]

9 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Weird thing is though, I’d expect them to not get everything right but to get one wrong when you’ve already had him for 6 months would seem pretty strange. This wasn’t a gamble based on scouting reports, he knows exactly what he’s getting with Dan and still thought he was paying a fee for - he’s seen something that none of us have, it’s the only explanation.

Exactly.

[Casino]

22 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Weird thing is though, I’d expect them to not get everything right but to get one wrong when you’ve already had him for 6 months would seem pretty strange. This wasn’t a gamble based on scouting reports, he knows exactly what he’s getting with Dan and still thought he was paying a fee for - he’s seen something that none of us have, it’s the only explanation.

apart from 5 mins v cambridge, when ultimately we failed to maintain the lead, i thought last night was his best yet

just seemed to get more ball and put more effort in

im sure hes not as lethargic as he sometimes looked, specilaly v wigan, but if you are scared of getting the ball, you dont go looking for it

[Tonge moor green jacket]

30 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Weird thing is though, I’d expect them to not get everything right but to get one wrong when you’ve already had him for 6 months would seem pretty strange. This wasn’t a gamble based on scouting reports, he knows exactly what he’s getting with Dan and still thought he was paying a fee for - he’s seen something that none of us have, it’s the only explanation.

I don't think anyone would disagree; they clearly see something. 

Unfortunately it hasn't come to fruition, and he isn't getting the game time to show it.

Scored a pearler at Bristol Rovers last season, so it's in there, but how does that become a regular occurrence?

[frank_spencer]

Problem is Vic is a bigger goal threat but offers less than sod all in the build up play. Big Dan offers more outside the area but doesn't have the end product.

So Evatt and the staff are trying to coach 2 players up to play the way they want and at the moment neither of them are up to snuff.

[Zico]

2 hours ago, Cheese said:

No, you trust Evatt and the recruitment team that we've signed him for a reason and he'll come good given enough game time.

yep

Sadlier though

whatever

as long as he's not starting and we're not relying on him, he can have sub and cup games for me