kent_white Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Escobarp said: So you would rather live in India or China now than the Uk is that what you are saying? Or have I misunderstood. No - I'm saying that in general, the countries of India and China have more grounds to be optimistic about their relative future prospects than the UK has. Edited September 23, 2021 by kent_white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, Sweep said: are you saying that it's OK that Boris lied, because the other side did as well? No, just pointing it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 And another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, kent_white said: No - I'm saying that in general, the countries of India and China have more grounds to be optimistic about their relative future prospects than the UK has. Fair enough. I can see what you are saying but would also say using what I think is your Logic the same could be said when comparing China and India to any of the countries in the EU? I wouldn’t want to live in India. China I would possibly go for a career opportunity/experience. But there are definitely some countries across the world I would go to live in rather than the UK from a lifestyle point of view. Career wise and prospect wise I don’t see, other than China due to the exponential growth, and possibly the US many better places for me to be. despite the fact that things aren’t all rosy at the moment ( Far from it) which I fully accept and it of course will have differing impacts on everyone. is brexit causing more issues than I thought? Yes Absolutely it is and I think it is down to the handling of the post split relationships by both sides which isn’t in anyone’s interests. I do believe it will be sorted though. Is brexit adversely impacting me currently? Not really no. Time will tell what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 23, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 23, 2021 As has been said We get the leader we deserve. He’ll keep being a liar whilst vast swathes of middle England continue to push their eager, baying tongues up his rectum. You can’t blame him really. He’s basically become unaccountable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 He's made me yearn for Theresa May as PM again which is some going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 37 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: No, just pointing it out. fair enough both sides spouted absolute bollocks all the way through their campaigns, sadly, it's what politicians do. These days though, it seems people would much rather the "other side" was wrong, than "their side" was right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, Spider said: As has been said We get the leader we deserve. He’ll keep being a liar whilst vast swathes of middle England continue to push their eager, baying tongues up his rectum. You can’t blame him really. He’s basically become unaccountable. and it's easy to do when you don't have any threat from the other side of the house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted September 23, 2021 Members Share Posted September 23, 2021 No one and I do mean no one should be surprised at the bumbling lying spineless incompetent fuckin Shithouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: No, just pointing it out. These lies that get trotted out. Now, we all remeber the Michael 'We Hold All The Cards'' Gove but what about Liam Fox who said this would be one of the easiest trade deals in human history, or the small white fibs about the border with ireland, or Lord Digby Jones with his ''not one single job will be lost because of Brexit'' I believe we were told we'd be individually poorer and hit the lowest income families (check) A sitting US president said there would be no special deal in place for the UK (check) That there would be no way the boarder with Ireland would work and overall this would ceratinly cause more rupture across the Union (check) money coming from the EU wasn't going to go directly to the NHS as the finanices simply don't work that way (check) That there would be problems in the supply chain for food (check) The fact is 18 months after Brexit everyone was laughing their cocks off on the leave side saying, see - it was all Project Fear - it didn't come true, but what we are now seeing is funnily enough it takes time for these things to happen. I believe people said watch 1-2 years after we have actually withdrawn, and yes 18 months later certain issues are now coming to light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 31 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: These lies that get trotted out. Now, we all remeber the Michael 'We Hold All The Cards'' Gove but what about Liam Fox who said this would be one of the easiest trade deals in human history, or the small white fibs about the border with ireland, or Lord Digby Jones with his ''not one single job will be lost because of Brexit'' I believe we were told we'd be individually poorer and hit the lowest income families (check) A sitting US president said there would be no special deal in place for the UK (check) That there would be no way the boarder with Ireland would work and overall this would ceratinly cause more rupture across the Union (check) money coming from the EU wasn't going to go directly to the NHS as the finanices simply don't work that way (check) That there would be problems in the supply chain for food (check) The fact is 18 months after Brexit everyone was laughing their cocks off on the leave side saying, see - it was all Project Fear - it didn't come true, but what we are now seeing is funnily enough it takes time for these things to happen. I believe people said watch 1-2 years after we have actually withdrawn, and yes 18 months later certain issues are now coming to light. Indeed, project fear is now project reality. The leave side said whatever was required to get gullible people to vote for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 45 minutes ago, Sweep said: and it's easy to do when you don't have any threat from the other side of the house Exaclty this. This cacophony of shite was on thr cards the very moment that wally corbyn was elected Labour leader. This is what you get without an opposition. A corrupt tory government lying their way through each day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Not in Crawley Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 I won't up to this playing on my radio alarm, thought I was having a fever dream... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Escobarp Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said: These lies that get trotted out. Now, we all remeber the Michael 'We Hold All The Cards'' Gove but what about Liam Fox who said this would be one of the easiest trade deals in human history, or the small white fibs about the border with ireland, or Lord Digby Jones with his ''not one single job will be lost because of Brexit'' I believe we were told we'd be individually poorer and hit the lowest income families (check) A sitting US president said there would be no special deal in place for the UK (check) That there would be no way the boarder with Ireland would work and overall this would ceratinly cause more rupture across the Union (check) money coming from the EU wasn't going to go directly to the NHS as the finanices simply don't work that way (check) That there would be problems in the supply chain for food (check) The fact is 18 months after Brexit everyone was laughing their cocks off on the leave side saying, see - it was all Project Fear - it didn't come true, but what we are now seeing is funnily enough it takes time for these things to happen. I believe people said watch 1-2 years after we have actually withdrawn, and yes 18 months later certain issues are now coming to light. Who do you know that is Poorer specifically because of brexit? Apart from spider who doesn’t really like to talk about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 The second line of that song is.... 'It's not easy being green, people call you lots of names and say 'hey, greenie." Been better if he sang that, or Kermit's nephew's version of What's That Sound where the underground is a load of worms wriggling about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Who do you know that is Poorer specifically because of brexit? Apart from spider who doesn’t really like to talk about it. Personally? Quite a few in my sector whose funding was directly effected, and also the prices of touring in Europe has now made it difficult to tour smaller shows, so cultural exports have been effected. Some performers I know have had issues with new comissions, it's an ongoing struggle.for the creative sector to be honest. Issues with my old company as its french owned mean there was a forthcoming pay freeze before covid. Although they let my whole agency go so my sympathy doesn't hugely extend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Who do you know that is Poorer specifically because of brexit? Apart from spider who doesn’t really like to talk about it. I am, or should be, as we lost a few customers......fortunately the huge IC shortage, is allowing me to more than over compensate for that lost trade. In the ideal world, I'd still have those EU based customers though, and be far better off than I actually am at the minute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted September 23, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said: Lord Digby Jones with his ''not one single job will be lost because of Brexit'' We have a deficit of workers, it seems. OK, they’re mainly jobs done by unskilled overseas types but still… 💣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Just now, Not in Crawley said: Personally? Quite a few in my sector whose funding was directly effected, and also the prices of touring in Europe has now made it difficult to tour smaller shows, so cultural exports have been effected. Some performers I know have had issues with new comissions, it's an ongoing struggle.for the creative sector to be honest. Issues with my old company as its french owned mean there was a forthcoming pay freeze before covid. Although they let my whole agency go so my sympathy doesn't hugely extend. Yes but is the majority of the pain in that sector not covid related thus very difficult to pinpoint a specific cause? For example numbers of events Europe will be down due to covid anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Sweep said: I am, or should be, as we lost a few customers......fortunately the huge IC shortage, is allowing me to more than over compensate for that lost trade. In the ideal world, I'd still have those EU based customers though, and be far better off than I actually am at the minute I get it’s problematic but I’m more questioning the “we will all be poorer” statement as being gospel. i am Of course in no way belittling anybody that is struggling because of it other than spider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: I get it’s problematic but I’m more questioning the “we will all be poorer” statement as being gospel. i am Of course in no way belittling anybody that is struggling because of it other than spider. I get that, I suspect ultimately we won't be any poorer, or any better off. My guess is that we'll be "poorer" short term (10 years say) and then we'll get back to roughly where we were before. I'm not falling for these stories saying we'll descend into a pit of doom, equally I don't believe we'll be living in goldplated houses either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Yes but is the majority of the pain in that sector not covid related thus very difficult to pinpoint a specific cause? For example numbers of events Europe will be down due to covid anyway? No, it was before covid around issues with visas and travelling props, equipment etc around the continent. So less people are doing it and therefore there is a significant shortfall. Given that the UK theatre sector generates around 10bn to the UK economy there has been pressure for further help for people who have lost income or companies that have folded or performers who are out of work. It's a real life concern that again was all but ignored as needless worrying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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