Coronavirus

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, kent_white said:

There's loads we can learn from this. Loads. 

But we have to be mindful not to apply the benefit of hindsight.

Folk have been doing their level best throughout!

From the frontline

Hat doffed accordingly. And thanks, generally.

[Spider]

Spain back to work next Monday....

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN21T0DJ?__twitter_impression=true

[Rudy]

5 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Not my words Carol.....

My best work in this thread are Kelly Brooks busters and Alan Partridge quotes 

[Escobarp]

36 minutes ago, jmjhb said:

Politicising it. 

Obviously there should be an enquiry after this is all done, just to see what could have done better and whether the government's action or inaction exacerbated the situation. Things like an immediate full lockdown, PPE issues etc.

It will obviously be politicised but that would be the case whether Tories, Labour or the Monster Raving Loonies were in power. 

Ok I agree. And agree that folk on both sides would be determined to politicize it. There is a good representation on here of this exact type of individual sadly 

[Tombwfc]

11 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

If we'd locked down earlier, it would have been against the science experts, though. Would the politicians be better off following scientific advice, or ignoring it?

 

Which 'science experts'? All of them?

[Ani]

12 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

If we'd locked down earlier, it would have been against the science experts, though. Would the politicians be better off following scientific advice, or ignoring it?

We have seen loads of people ignoring lock down. I do wonder what the reaction would have been if it was announced earlier, I think many more would have ignored it, Boris talked about doing things at the right time and do think we were slightly slow not not sure how effective one introduced much earlier would have been. 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Which 'science experts'? All of them?

The ones the Government use!

It's here

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coronavirus-covid-19-scientific-evidence-supporting-the-uk-government-response

Edited April 11, 2020 by boltondiver

[ZiggyStardust]

1 hour ago, peelyfeet said:

 

If we'd locked down 10 days earlier, less people would be dead today, less people would be infected, the end of lockdown might be nearer.

 

 

If we had locked down earlier (7,10 or 14 days), in your opinion, how many more (if any) would have been out and about yesterday, enjoying the easter weather, having 1 or two weeks of extra cabin fever. Would an earlier lockdown led to more deaths at a later date ?

I have no idea, but I do remember the 'experts' (ie those paid to have opinions on these matters, not idiots like us on a football message board) warning against lockdown too early.

On a personal note, I believe lockdown should mean lockdown, anyone out without a valid reason - 6 months in the big house.

Anyone having a party with others who dont live in the same house - 6 months.

I think we have been too soft (and as someone quoted us gun rule arguments earlier in this argument) - Governments dont Spread covid - people do.

 

 

[Tombwfc]

Just now, boltondiver said:

The ones the Government use!

 

Every scientist the government use - from the virologists to the behavioural - all agreed that there would've been no benefits to locking down prior to the 24th March? Nobody was making the case that there were any possible benefits to doing it earlier?

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Every scientist the government use - from the virologists to the behavioural - all agreed that there would've been no benefits to locking down prior to the 24th March? Nobody was making the case that there were any possible benefits to doing it earlier?

Exactly 

[Mounts Kipper]

4 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

If we had locked down earlier (7,10 or 14 days), in your opinion, how many more (if any) would have been out and about yesterday, enjoying the easter weather, having 1 or two weeks of extra cabin fever. Would an earlier lockdown led to more deaths at a later date ?

I have no idea, but I do remember the 'experts' (ie those paid to have opinions on these matters, not idiots like us on a football message board) warning against lockdown too early.

On a personal note, I believe lockdown should mean lockdown, anyone out without a valid reason - 6 months in the big house.

Anyone having a party with others who dont live in the same house - 6 months.

I think we have been too soft (and as someone quoted us gun rule arguments earlier in this argument) - Governments dont Spread covid - people do.

 

 

I think our lockdown is sensible, 1 hour exercise per day, and out Shopping for essentials when needed and only essential workers actually working.  Once we do end lockdown let’s hope it does not come back with vengeance. 

[only1swanny]

42 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

They’ve rebadged it you fool

Rover went bust about 14 years ago

[RoadRunnerFan]

6 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Rover went bust about 14 years ago

No mither. 

Get a Japanese Mercedes instead. 

[kent_white]

22 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I think our lockdown is sensible, 1 hour exercise per day, and out Shopping for essentials when needed and only essential workers actually working.  Once we do end lockdown let’s hope it does not come back with vengeance. 

It will unless we do it in stages. I can't see any other way? 

And even then there will be a spike. 

Can see it happening by age and days of the week or something like that.......

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, Jol_BWFC said:

I don’t and I’m genuinely interested to know what people think. Do you know?
 

It might be those in the Cobra meetings, the Cabinet, Public Health England, the wider government, the non-governmental experts who are advising us to take the right steps at the right time or whoever/whatever has caused a lack of resources that other countries seem not to be suffering from.

Where is fan5 when you need him?!

For a start other nations are scrabbling for the same materials we are.

Some are better prepared than others though. South Korea by virtue of the mers virus put the willies up them and they responded by preparing in a much deeper way. Culturally they are different too and willing to accept stringent measures.

Germany has a huge research/manufacturing sector based around materials for the medical profession. Much like we have a large financial/service sector.

As Dave pointed out previously, PHE were reluctant to put testing out beyond their own labs etc, understandable in a way as they may have been concerned about accuracy etc, but very possibly unreasonably so. Thrown in initial shortages of reagents and difficulties were inevitable. Time will tell, when we look back and review.

On ppe, do you also take into account manc wanderer's very knowledgeable insight into the NHS' very cumbersome procurement system?

Also look at the transport system which seemed to struggle with distribution of equipment, hence military involvement.

As a country were part of a globalised trading system, countries do often have areas of particular speciality; it's not the fault of any government just economic development. What this has revealed is that when the shit really hits the fan, nations look after their own first, before helping others, which is understandable.

Once we look back on it all, perhaps it will be decided that we and many other nations will need to ensure enough industrial capacity to cope with another outbreak of some other arrangement.

Cock ups and areas for improvement will also be identified and rectified, but for the time being sections of folk on social media and mainstream media do no one any favours by the constant criticism of efforts and doom laden projections.

Thankfully plenty of others in all sorts of industry (from fashion to formula one) are willing to rise to the challenge and try to get us out of this situation.

 

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

Analysis and learning from mistakes or areas we could have improved on given hindsight I completely agree with 

a politically motivated witch hunt can fuck off for me. And anyone that supports that or wants to be involved can get themselves to fuck as well. 
 

what we don’t need is making this any harder for those who have lost loved ones to this disease. And I include myself in that although I will never know the exact truth of whether my dad died of this but I’m pretty sure. 
 

An inquiry won’t be a politically motivated witchhunt. Are they usually? 

[mickbrown]

26 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I think our lockdown is sensible, 1 hour exercise per day, and out Shopping for essentials when needed and only essential workers actually working.  Once we do end lockdown let’s hope it does not come back with vengeance. 

I agree. But we should have done it earlier. That’s my only criticism of the lockdown 

[Zico]

28 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Every scientist the government use - from the virologists to the behavioural - all agreed that there would've been no benefits to locking down prior to the 24th March? Nobody was making the case that there were any possible benefits to doing it earlier?

Aye, and that interview with the scientist from Manchester made perfect sense regards when to lockdown

But you can't have those in charge publicly being blase when they should at least have been urging a degree in caution

Same goes for the US and Italy, and in particular Sweden who are hands down winning the Scandinavian death count

[only1swanny]

"A total of 9,875 patients have died in hospital after testing positive for coronavirus in the UK as of 5pm on Friday, the Department of Health said, up by 917 from 8,958 the day before.

Of the 823 new hospital deaths announced today by NHS England, 115 occurred on April 10 while 695 took place between April 1 and April 9." ITV news..

Current figure includes some data from March, 

Can't possible use data this inaccurate to make a fair assessment of what is happening. 

 

 

[Casino]

33 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I think our lockdown is sensible, 1 hour exercise per day, and out Shopping for essentials when needed and only essential workers actually working.  Once we do end lockdown let’s hope it does not come back with vengeance. 

We haven't only got essential workers working

Where have you been for the last month, ffs 

[Casino]

26 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Rover went bust about 14 years ago

Woof woof

[Mounts Kipper]

1 minute ago, Casino said:

We haven't only got essential workers working

Where have you been for the last month, ffs 

Who’s working that’s not essential? 

[only1swanny]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Who’s working that’s not essential? 

 

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Who’s working that’s not essential? 

Anyone who can't work from home and hasn't been furloughed

[Mounts Kipper]

9 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

I agree. But we should have done it earlier. That’s my only criticism of the lockdown 

I think it was timed about right, Cheltenham shouldn’t have gone ahead though, I’d think many folk will be regretting that. 

[Casino]

12 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

 

On ppe, do you also take into account manc wanderer's very knowledgeable insight into the NHS' very cumbersome procurement system?

 

It was a month ago, we were assured there was loads of PPE

There's still not enough were it needs to be

It's not good enough