Coronavirus

[Ani]

56 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

What I’m finding interesting in this whole we should have shout down earlier is that all our offices globally locked down 10 days before the country - Google and Universal opposite two weeks before. 
 

So, if nasty capitalist, corporate businesses could see this, why couldn’t our government? 

Difference between a global call and a national one and different for highly IT businesses than a call that covers manufacturing businesses and others that it means closing down a business rather than closing an office. 
The pace this moved was scarey, have said the week before sat in pub not understanding the fuss.7 days down the line totally different. 
I am sure now people will say lock down should have been sooner and probably more extreme. Not sure all those people thought that at the time.  

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, jules_darby said:

Automation, outsourcing and process efficiencies brings disintermediation but for the most part this will lead to reintermediation elsewhere

That will be longer term of course

Tech jobs are up again this week 

Since jan London had more invested in tech than Paris, Stockholm, Berlin and Tel Aviv added together.

Manc, Leeds, Bristol all still v busy hubs too

FinTech ongoing boom and EdTech investment was up 91% since covid

Sounds glib but lots of jobs are there if you have a desired skill set 

Sounds good.

You should have a good idea- are enough youngsters coming out with the requisite qualifications?

Can't help feeling that more scientific/computing/engineering related subjects are going to be needed, certainly for the long-term as the need for green technologies increases and perhaps a more capable manufacturing base in some areas as a result of the virus.

[DazBob]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

Schools still not opening til september, fwiw

But everything else is back to normal

How does everything get back to normal if kids aren't back in school?

[Casino]

I dunno

Suppose she means everythings open

Cept schools

Edited June 11, 2020 by Casino

[Not in Crawley]

19 minutes ago, Ani said:

Difference between a global call and a national one and different for highly IT businesses than a call that covers manufacturing businesses and others that it means closing down a business rather than closing an office. 
The pace this moved was scarey, have said the week before sat in pub not understanding the fuss.7 days down the line totally different. 
I am sure now people will say lock down should have been sooner and probably more extreme. Not sure all those people thought that at the time.  

I don’t disagree - it was clear two weeks before we shut it was going that way - every evening we were asked to take all laptops home for two weeks, all client meetings in office were cancelled and replaced by conference video calls and all the production department had to go through a shut down and shipping to home policy for their equipment.

Also, yes we are white collar in the fact home offices for most were easy, we have international and local intranet, payslips, holidays whatever is all done on a global server. We just all stopped at home on the Monday after we were emailed on a Sunday evening.

It’s just interesting how they were planning for it for a while before it happened. We do have offices in Italy and China so of course we had a wider ranging view (Milan shut down three weeks before London) but the government also had this. I’m just surprised that they have appeared on the back foot throughout all of this, it’s just appeared so reactive as though we’re being led by public opinion, rather than getting ahead of this issue and giving clear guidance. 
 

The difference I’ve seen personally has been striking, I’d be interested to hear from a SCS, from any department to see what planning was in the offing.

[Not in Crawley]

19 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Sounds good.

You should have a good idea- are enough youngsters coming out with the requisite qualifications?

Can't help feeling that more scientific/computing/engineering related subjects are going to be needed, certainly for the long-term as the need for green technologies increases and perhaps a more capable manufacturing base in some areas as a result of the virus.

If I was an undergrad again I’d be focusing on digital media planning - they are currently sitting very pretty, they are the only ones in my team still billing - and large figures. Old fart generalist client directors like me earn too much and have finally have been shown up that we’re as useful as chocolate teapots 😂 If you peel back the onion, so to speak.

[DazBob]

4 minutes ago, Casino said:

I dunno

Suppose she means everythings open

Cept schools

I was getting at if the kids are off school then at least one of the parents cannot go back to work.

If/when all shops and businesses reopen here how are we going to cope? Gonna be tough.

[Casino]

Just now, DazBob said:

I was getting at if the kids are off school then at least one of the parents cannot go back to work.

If/when all shops and businesses reopen here how are we going to cope? Gonna be tough.

Yeah, thought as much

Ill see what she thinks

Maybe mothers dont work

Honestly dont know...hers is a private international school so dunno how typical it is

[Not in Crawley]

9 minutes ago, DazBob said:

I was getting at if the kids are off school then at least one of the parents cannot go back to work.

If/when all shops and businesses reopen here how are we going to cope? Gonna be tough.

Again, until schools are back we’re allowed totally flexibility- so weekend, evening work. If you are a parent then no set core hours.

Obviously, this can’t happen is a lot of jobs and certainly in the poorest part of the economy, and again they are hit the hardest.

[Roger_Dubuis]

No summer schools - the govt has confirmed that schools will be closed over the summer holidays even for essential workers children

A wise move in my opinion. Plans now need to be made to get as many children back as possible in September.

[Rudy]

[Ani]

43 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I don’t disagree - it was clear two weeks before we shut it was going that way - every evening we were asked to take all laptops home for two weeks, all client meetings in office were cancelled and replaced by conference video calls and all the production department had to go through a shut down and shipping to home policy for their equipment.

Also, yes we are white collar in the fact home offices for most were easy, we have international and local intranet, payslips, holidays whatever is all done on a global server. We just all stopped at home on the Monday after we were emailed on a Sunday evening.

It’s just interesting how they were planning for it for a while before it happened. We do have offices in Italy and China so of course we had a wider ranging view (Milan shut down three weeks before London) but the government also had this. I’m just surprised that they have appeared on the back foot throughout all of this, it’s just appeared so reactive as though we’re being led by public opinion, rather than getting ahead of this issue and giving clear guidance. 
 

The difference I’ve seen personally has been striking, I’d be interested to hear from a SCS, from any department to see what planning was in the offing.

It is becoming very clear now that shutting down earlier would have bought some benefits but is easier to do that with known data than with numerous scenarios in advance. Ferguson the guy doing all the TV interviews was on SAGE and his position as the great brain on this would be stronger if he himself had not broken the lockdown. Desperate for a journalist to ask are his numbers based on people following lockdown advice or ignoring it like he did. 
I do get a feeling that there is a king of the nerds competition going on with the scientists to prove who is cleverest. 

Edited June 11, 2020 by Ani

[radcliffe white]

Lads year 6 are back on 22nd but no child with any medical condition can go back so unfortunately rules him out.

leavers hoodie and dvd to be sent out 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Lads year 6 are back on 22nd but no child with any medical condition can go back so unfortunately rules him out.

leavers hoodie and dvd to be sent out 

Bit of a bummer.

He must be a tad pissed off.

[radcliffe white]

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Bit of a bummer.

He must be a tad pissed off.

Yep a little as his best mates are going back 

on the other hand he just thinks more football with me😀

[Traf]

1 hour ago, Rudy said:

[peelyfeet]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Sounds good.

You should have a good idea- are enough youngsters coming out with the requisite qualifications?

Can't help feeling that more scientific/computing/engineering related subjects are going to be needed, certainly for the long-term as the need for green technologies increases and perhaps a more capable manufacturing base in some areas as a result of the virus.

There's already a shortage of engineers, going to be even more required I bet. My lad's doing engineering GCSE, he reckons it's quite difficult, but interesting.

[peelyfeet]

58 minutes ago, Ani said:

It is becoming very clear now that shutting down earlier would have bought some benefits but is easier to do that with known data than with numerous scenarios in advance. Ferguson the guy doing all the TV interviews was on SAGE and his position as the great brain on this would be stronger if he himself had not broken the lockdown. Desperate for a journalist to ask are his numbers based on people following lockdown advice or ignoring it like he did. 
I do get a feeling that there is a king of the nerds competition going on with the scientists to prove who is cleverest. 

 

If you remember back, Whitty was saying they didnt want to lockdown too early because they had factored in  a physcological model that suggested  we wouldn't be able to hack it. They thought we'd break the lockdown rules at the worst time, they thought the peak was going to be June. They massivley underestimated the amount of infections coming in on flights from Spain and Italy in late Feb and March. I've said it before, my son came back from Italy early March, no test, only  5 days home quarantine. There were kids on the flight back in school the week after with symptoms. We had meetings with school in early Feb about it, parents were concerned a month before the govmt did anything. They told us it would be fine, no danger. 

[Sweep]

29 minutes ago, Traf said:

Luisa Zissman....lovely she is

 

[Youri McAnespie]

3 hours ago, DazBob said:

How does everything get back to normal if kids aren't back in school?

Because in other countries schools are seen as places of education, not bloody childminding services.

I don't even know for a fact, but I'd take a punt on 'breakfast clubs' and 'after-school clubs' (which I know are run separately within schools) being unheard of in say, France.

We should just open giant wacky warehouses or youth clubs for a lot of kids/parents. In my experience some of the most vocal moaning, whinging anti-teacher parents when school was closed for some reason or other seemed to be the ones with the most disruptive kids. A sort of chicken/egg scenario that.

And before anyone writes 'that's why we pay our taxes' - do some research on cost of a child's education vs. tax contribution.

Rant over.

#embitteredex

 

 

Edited June 11, 2020 by Youri McAnespie

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

Because in other countries schools are seen as places of education, not bloody childminding services.

I don't even know for a fact, but I'd take a punt on 'breakfast clubs' and 'after-school clubs' (which I know are run separately within schools) being unheard of in say, France.

We should just open giant wacky warehouses or youth clubs for a lot of kids/parents. In my experience some of the most vocal moaning, whinging anti-teacher parents when school was closed for some reason or other seemed to be the ones with the most disruptive kids. A sort of chicken/egg scenario that.

And before anyone writes 'that's why we pay our taxes' - do some research of cost of a child's education vs. tax contribution.

Rant over.

#embitteredex

 

 

So like he said, how do we get back to normal if kids aren’t in school? 

[peelyfeet]

15 minutes ago, royal white said:

So like he said, how do we get back to normal if kids aren’t in school? 

We don't if we carry on as we are. Its not going to be normal until we all get the vaccine, or there's proof that we're near herd immunity already.

They're shit scared of it coming back in winter even worse than weve just had it. We dont have enough teachers, to distance and teach every kid in the schools for 5 days a week. We could use other buildings with more space,  or find some way of reducing spread, like wearing fucking masks all the time like china and South Korea have been doing for 6 bloody months. 

Edited June 11, 2020 by peelyfeet

[royal white]

13 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

We don't if we carry on as we are. Its not going to be normal until we all get the vaccine, or there's proof that we're near herd immunity already.

They're shit scared of it coming back in winter even worse than weve just had it. We dont have enough teachers, to distance and teach every kid in the schools for 5 days a week. We could use other buildings with more space,  or find some way of reducing spread, like wearing fucking masks all the time like china and South Korea have been doing for 6 bloody months. 

Im seeing more and more people/parents saying they’re not having or allowing their kids to have the vaccine. I wonder how schools will react to that? 

[Youri McAnespie]

45 minutes ago, royal white said:

So like he said, how do we get back to normal if kids aren’t in school? 

Not my problem, I don't work in that sphere anymore, I've no kids - if I did have then the mother would be home days; dressed like a 50s housewife, drinking gin, shagging the postman and having my tea on the table.

Hypothetically, what if distance learning was found to get better results than physical schooling? Kids could finish at 1pm say so they could use the extra time to socialise etc. so they'd be happy - say actual school time was halved or further...

Social contract says we must educate children, it doesn't say we've got to babbymind so both parents can work in order to achieve a higher standard of material living.

It would not surprise me one iota if this is the way education goes.

And other countries will have the front-foot on Britain as schools have remained places of education, not, in the worst cases, holding pens for future criminals and ner do wells.

# I believe that children are the future, teach them well and let them lead the way, show them all the beauty they po-sess inside...#

Edited June 11, 2020 by Youri McAnespie

[Youri McAnespie]

19 minutes ago, royal white said:

Im seeing more and more people/parents saying they’re not having or allowing their kids to have the vaccine. I wonder how schools will react to that? 

In the future, nanotechnology will allow us to be implanted at birth with a microscopic electronic capsule containing a lethal agent - it will float harmlessly through our bodies during life unless we transgress.

Then some bureaucrat somewhere will pull up our file and click on 'RELEASE TOXIN'...