Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

So Trump has suspended aid and now stopped sharing intelligence with Ukraine.

 

Sadly, this is what he's all about now. He wants them minerals, and he'll do all in his power to get them. I'm sure he's not arsed if a few thousand Ukrainians die in the meantime, in fact, he'll probably celebrate every single death that occurs as a result of withheld intel. 

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said:

Talking about lies - that is utter bollocks propagated by the Mail. The woman was complained about by a member of the public to the police because of something offensive she wrote. Because of the complaint the police have to let the person know that they have received this and are legally obliged to look into it. That's what they are doing here, letting the accused know that they have to investigate.

All perfectly normal and legal procedure, despite what the Mail has twisted it into.

As I pointed out a couple of weeks ago. The answer is in the actual article if you read the full thing (albeit intentionally tucked away). 

Although I'm sure our esteemed posters will be working under the assumption that Keir has picked up the bat phone to GMP and insisted that they come and have a stern talking to to one of his 'political opponents' 😉😁

It does seem a bit of a daft use of police time. But using my brain - I imagine this comes on the back of initiatives to prevent violence against politicians following events like David Amess and Jo Cox. 

Whoever wrote this line is a fucking moron mind!

"Detectives were last night accused of acting like East Germany's feared Stasi secret police" 🤣

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

So Trump has suspended aid and now stopped sharing intelligence with Ukraine.

What conditions has he placed on Russia who is still bombing the shite out of Ukraine? None.

What a cunt.

the US must be allowed to defend their business interests

and allies

[Zico]

on the other hand

I never thought I'd see the US and Russia team up and get on so well whilst pursuring ventures to benefit them both

so there is that

every cloud

[kent_white]

9 minutes ago, Zico said:

on the other hand

I never thought I'd see the US and Russia team up and get on so well whilst pursuring ventures to benefit them both

so there is that

every cloud

At what point do we start putting the US in the same category with Russia, China, Iran and North Korea? Because I'm not seeing a huge amount of difference at the moment. 

[Cheese]

20 minutes ago, kent_white said:

At what point do we start putting the US in the same category with Russia, China, Iran and North Korea? Because I'm not seeing a huge amount of difference at the moment. 

When they start changing their constitution to suit the ambitions of the current leader. It's not far off.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

🤦‍♂️

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Really shouldn't take a nearby conflict, and it's potential impact to shake these corporations out of their ideological, stonewall influenced attitudes. 

Better late then never I suppose.

[Not in Crawley]

4 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

It was in the Times as well and other media outlets. 
Number 1 in my list of excuses. Source.

Then you really should have read on a little further.

[Farrelli]

When Russia and US team up against Europe we will be like sitting ducks. Our nuclear deterrent will be null and void since US have all the launching kit.  Great deterrent that is😅

[kent_white]

Just now, Farrelli said:

When Russia and US team up against Europe we will be like sitting ducks. Our nuclear deterrent will be null and void since US have all the launching kit.  Great deterrent that is😅

At least the French have got their own tech. 

I'm sure the US will have a kill switch in case we ever point ours in a direction they are unhappy with. 

[Farrelli]

42 minutes ago, kent_white said:

At least the French have got their own tech. 

I'm sure the US will have a kill switch in case we ever point ours in a direction they are unhappy with. 

Don’t forget the minerals. We have got some coal, a salt mine that would grit the roads in New York for a year and some tin mines in Cornwall. That should swing the deal😅

[green genie]

5 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Don’t forget the minerals. We have got some coal, a salt mine that would grit the roads in New York for a year and some tin mines in Cornwall. That should swing the deal😅

Shed loads of lithium under Cornwall will go into production soon unless batteries move on plus Tungsten outside Plymouth if the useless Ozzy engineers could sort their process plant out. 

[Sweep]

57 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

When Russia and US team up against Europe we will be like sitting ducks. Our nuclear deterrent will be null and void since US have all the launching kit.  Great deterrent that is😅

I heard that on the radio earlier - the bloke put it in very basic terms. Apparently, we own the bits that go "bang" but the propulsion units they're sat on belong to the US, and we can't fire any of them without checking first. Which all sounds a bit bonkers, as you say, without the US, we don't actually have a nuclear deterrent. I'm sure it can't be fully true, but it does show how reliant we are on the US, with regards to defence, at the minute

Edited March 6, 2025 by Sweep

[kent_white]

36 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I heard that on the radio earlier - the bloke put it in very basic terms. Apparently, we own the bits that go "bang" but the propulsion units they're sat on belong to the US, and we can't fire any of them without checking first. Which all sounds a bit bonkers, as you say, without the US, we don't actually have a nuclear deterrent. I'm sure it can't be fully true, but it does show how reliant we are on the US, with regards to defence, at the minute

Which given the current state of affairs in a worrying though. I think I'm with Europe on this. We're now extremely vulnerable if the US go any further rogue (which is a small possibility admittedly - but a scenario with such potentially devastating impact that it needs to be considered and planned for). 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

I heard that on the radio earlier - the bloke put it in very basic terms. Apparently, we own the bits that go "bang" but the propulsion units they're sat on belong to the US, and we can't fire any of them without checking first. Which all sounds a bit bonkers, as you say, without the US, we don't actually have a nuclear deterrent. I'm sure it can't be fully true, but it does show how reliant we are on the US, with regards to defence, at the minute

Wonder how they'd actually stop us firing them?

Anyhow, the cunt won't be in office for that long.

 

[Bertie]

Interesting insights this morning (from BBC website).  Makes sense, sadly.  Trump is weak. Thank god for Ukrainian resilience and increasing European support.

Glen Grant, a retired British Army lieutenant general, has recently been to Kyiv. He tells BBC Breakfast he sees no chance of a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia any time soon.

"People need to be clear - what the US is trying to do is get Ukraine to capitulate," he says. "To give in to Russia – there is nothing nice about this at all.

"The reason for that is quite simple. Trump is unable to – or perhaps unwilling to – do anything against Russia, but he senses Ukraine is a weak link in the game, so they are going to try and bully Zelensky – even try again to get him to step down and put in a more compliant president, in the same way as Hungary, Slovakia and Bulgaria.

"But I just don't see Zelensky will do that," Grant says.

[Sweep]

3 hours ago, Bertie said:

Interesting insights this morning (from BBC website).  Makes sense, sadly.  Trump is weak. Thank god for Ukrainian resilience and increasing European support.

Glen Grant, a retired British Army lieutenant general, has recently been to Kyiv. He tells BBC Breakfast he sees no chance of a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia any time soon.

"People need to be clear - what the US is trying to do is get Ukraine to capitulate," he says. "To give in to Russia – there is nothing nice about this at all.

"The reason for that is quite simple. Trump is unable to – or perhaps unwilling to – do anything against Russia, but he senses Ukraine is a weak link in the game, so they are going to try and bully Zelensky – even try again to get him to step down and put in a more compliant president, in the same way as Hungary, Slovakia and Bulgaria.

"But I just don't see Zelensky will do that," Grant says.

I don't think you need to have any military experience to see that is exactly what Trump wants to happen. Unlike some, even on here, who thought the meeting at the White House last week was about a "peace deal" this war is no nearer a peace deal now than it was this time last year (even though Trump promised he'd have it sorted within 24 hours)

There may be a ceasefire in certain areas for a short period of time, if the US does get the minerals deal they want, but no way will the war be stopping anytime soon, as Ukraine won't want to give up it's sovereign territory.

 

I'm still amazed, that in general, those simpletons who raved so much about Brexit and how "We've got  back or Sovereignty*..." tend to be the same people who don't think Ukraine should be allowed to claim back theirs

 

 

*by the way, we'd never actually lost ours, and if we had, what is so much better now that we've claimed it back?

Edited March 7, 2025 by Sweep

[royal white]

37 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I don't think you need to have any military experience to see that is exactly what Trump wants to happen. Unlike some, even on here, who thought the meeting at the White House last week was about a "peace deal" this war is no nearer a peace dela now than it was this time last year (even though Trump promised he'd have it sorted within 24 hours)

There may be a ceasefire in certain areas for a short period of time, if the US does get the minerals deal they want, but no way will the war be stopping anytime soon, as Ukraine won't want to give up it's sovereign territory.

 

I'm still amazed, that in general, those simpletons who raved so much about Brexit and how "We've got  back or Sovereignty*..." tend to be the same people who don't think Ukraine should be allowed to claim back theirs

 

 

*by the way, we'd never actually lost our, and if we had, what is so much better now that we've claimed it back?

Is that the government you are on about or the people of Ukraine? Because there’s a lot of people in Ukraine now who have had enough of this war and just want an end to it. 
 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/653495/half-ukrainians-quick-negotiated-end-war.aspx

[Sweep]

9 minutes ago, royal white said:

Is that the government you are on about or the people of Ukraine? Because there’s a lot of people in Ukraine now who have had enough of this war and just want an end to it. 
 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/653495/half-ukrainians-quick-negotiated-end-war.aspx

The Government, as they're the ones who will be negotiating

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Is that the government you are on about or the people of Ukraine? Because there’s a lot of people in Ukraine now who have had enough of this war and just want an end to it. 
 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/653495/half-ukrainians-quick-negotiated-end-war.aspx

Obviously the poll says what is says....but it was only conducted over 1000 people - out of a country of c40M people, and bearing in mind that (apparently) 12% if the population wasn't able to be contacted, as it is/was under Russian control, I think it'd be better to have something a bit more conclusive to go off.

I know it won't happen - but ideally you get the people of Ukraine to vote on it.....but no chance that'll ever happen

Edited March 7, 2025 by Sweep

[royal white]

30 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Obviosuly the poll says what is says....but it was only conducted over 1000 people - out of a country of c40M people, and bearing in mind that (apparently) 12% if the population wasn't able to be contacted, as it is/was under Russian control, I think it'd be better to have something a bit more conclusive to go off.

I know it won't happen - but ideally you get the people of Ukraine to vote on it.....but no chance that'll ever happen

Yes it was the similar kind of numbers in the recent poll that said VZ popularity was at  52% . I guess we will never get a true reflection in regards to numbers. However with  the numbers and people that are being used we are seeing big changes in their view on the war. 

Edited March 7, 2025 by royal white

[Zico]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Is that the government you are on about or the people of Ukraine? Because there’s a lot of people in Ukraine now who have had enough of this war and just want an end to it. 
 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/653495/half-ukrainians-quick-negotiated-end-war.aspx

Most also want the UK and EU to broker peace and not Trump who to be fair is doing a shite job of it

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Zico said:

Most also want the UK and EU to broker peace and not Trump who to be fair is doing a shite job of it

Then let them do it. We keep hearing how shit Trump is yet all the countries speaking out about peace including us and Ukraine are adamant they want America. Surely Europe can make up Americas shortfall especially with a deal for the mineral farms waiting to be pounced on. 

[Sweep]

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

Then let them do it. We keep hearing how shit Trump is yet all the countries speaking out about peace including us and Ukraine are adamant they want America. Surely Europe can make up Americas shortfall especially with a deal for the mineral farms waiting to be pounced on. 

Agree - the thing is, like with Israel/Gaza, there can probably never be peace. Ukraine want their land back , Russia won't give it back. It's just a perpetual stalemate. We're not even close to talking about a temporary ceasefire yet, so peace is a long, long way down the tracks.

Perhaps, some of the parties involved don't actually want there to be peace....